GEELY CK fails American tests !!! crash - pollution !

[cryptonx]

Shit ! this is bad news

27/2/2006

Geely failed to pass american engine pollution standards ( well that was expected , but I don't really care for it )

the American side-impact test , geely failed in completely apparently , ie , if you're driving a CK and some car hit you on the side ... you DIE ! :P

but apparently they didnt say anthing about the front crash test ??

here's the full article ..

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2006-02-26-chinese-cars-usat_x.htm?csp=34

btw it's not a conspiracy or anything , these words are coming from Geely USA .

Man now I am really afriad of buying the CK ......

Chinese engineers are traveling to the usa , to redesign the Chasis of the ck so it can pass the test , however the engine might be difficult to redesign !!!!

damn it !

[m14]

no foreign cars meet safety /emission tests at the beginning..because the rest of the worlds standards are totally different...

i dont know if in egypt you are constantly driving at 100+miles per hour...

also...bmw's from sweden for example dont even pass USA emission tests

every car fails US emission tests until they are 100% sreious coming to US..

and safety they do have to improve....but most cars in EU/middle east have poor safety compared to US

[cryptonx]

well yes but I dont want to buy a car , that in a few months is going to replaced with a better version


actualy in Egypt , the Highway speed limit is 100 Km/hour , that's 62 miles/hour

and inside city limits range from 40 to 60 km/h ( 25 to 40 miles / hour )

but everyone keeps telling me that the chery A11 is more solid and has a better engine than the CK

[chechnya]

Im proud my country, USA, has strict emission rules. Nothing but the finest vehicles for the American public.

[mgrovernut]

Is this why Nanjing bought MG? MG cars are built to meet EU rules and regs so it won't take much to meet US regs too....

[cryptonx]

well what am I supposed to do then ? buy one now ?
or wait for a refined version !!

[m14]

well geely has sold many cars in EU/Asia/Middle East...
that means in those places they did pass the tests...right?

you should go in the dealership and check out the cars , just bang on them a little to see if they feel safe...

talk to the dealerships, see how many they sold in your area...

are geelys' popular in egypt?

[cryptonx]

they are mixed here

only the HQs and Ulions are selling well but only because of thier unbeaten price

the CK and Maple 303 are putting themself in heavy competition from Fiat / Hyundai / Kia and some Russian brands .

there's nothing as a crash test in egypt , we are a third-world country .. anything will be accepted here :P

the dealer is what I dont like , he seems very .. untrustful , altho the car is good and I like it alot , it's the only one with abs/cd/fm/1.6L engine in that price range .

however geely has generated mixed response , some ppl like it and buy it bcuz of thier cheap price and some totaly HATE the idea of just thinking of a car built in china !

Chery on the contrary doing very very well , the A11 is sold out almost in all dealers ,and the QQ is becoming a national girls choice :D

[mgrovernut]

M14 Geeley have not sold many cars in Europe as far as I know. Certainly in Western Europe no one buys them and the recent reviews have been pretty daming. Most reviews said something along the lines of 'scratch the surface and you realise how bad these cars are'. As I have said elsewhere for Geeley to sell their cars anywhere then they should aim to suceed in the UK market. Not because it is the biggest but because the consumers are the most demanding in the world. In no other country will you see quite a mix of cars as you see in Britain. Only the best car makers sell in respectable numbers. The rest sell in hundreds, not even thousands. Even our own domestic car makers have struggled with such intense competition and they were/ are quite good! Ironically Britains own car makes sell better abroad now than they do at home. Even Honda decided that the Civic had to be designed to suceed in the UK car market, so the styling was carried out in the UK. Sales are now hitting record highs globally. So get it right in the UK and you get it right everywhere!

[cryptonx]

suddenly the idea of owning a $10,000 abs/ebd/cd full options 1.6 sedane .. called Geely CK is starting to fade away from my mind ...... :(

[edge]

I think Geely is a pretty badly built car. Chery is MUCH better in quality and design. Geely seems like it just tries to go for the price, but in terms of quality, it seems very shoddy.

[jikki]

geely's ceo is a farmer,it's absolutely a private company,he had faced much more difficults than any other companies such as chery.

[fm.illuminatus]

Im proud my country, USA, has strict emission rules. Nothing but the finest vehicles for the American public.

I'm more concerned about the safety.

[Real_I_Hate_China]

suddenly the idea of owning a $10,000 abs/ebd/cd full options 1.6 sedane .. called Geely CK is starting to fade away from my mind ......
I recommend you Toyota Yaris starting from $10K. Originally meant to kill Hyundai and Daewoos, this one will become the ultimate Chinamobile slayer.

[Admin]

I recommend you Toyota Yaris starting from $10K. Originally meant to kill Hyundai and Daewoos, this one will become the ultimate Chinamobile slayer.

hmmm..do you have more info on this toyota yaris?

[cryptonx]

actualy I_hate_china , the BASIC model of yaris is sold for $15,000 here

I left all the asian market , I am going to eat Pizza ( Fiat Palio - 1.8 16v Hatchback )

[Admin]

actualy I_hate_china , the BASIC model of yaris is sold for $15,000 here

I left all the asian market , I am going to eat Pizza ( Fiat Palio - 1.8 16v Hatchback )

and how much are the geely and chery models for? (the cheapest ones)

[Real_I_Hate_China]

mmm..do you have more info on this toyota yaris?

http://www.wheels24.co.za/Images/Photos/20060323231149YarisSed-400.jpg
Toyota Yaris, available in Europe for 5 years and coming to the US this year starting at $10,000.

There is no room left for cheap Chinese cars in the US. The only way Chinese could sell their cars in the US is if they start from $8000 and offer 10yr/100k miles warranty. But a 10yr/100k miles warranty is a financial suicide if the car's reliability is not good enough, so any Chinese vender offering it will financially bleed to death.

The last time a new car manufacturer successfully entered the US market was Hyundai's entry in 1985, all others failed(Isuzu, Suzuki, Daihatsu, Yugo, Kia, and Daewoo). Hyundai too would have withdrawn, if it wasn't for tens of billions of dollars in cash aid by its deep-pocketed and determined parent company.

This is why I don't see Chinese cars taking off in the US, the competition is just too tough and Chinese companies(Chery, Geely, and SAIC) don't have tens of billions of dollars of free cash laying around to throw at.

[cryptonx]

the Geely CK-1 ( CK 1.6 full featured ) costs arround $11.000
the Chery A-11 ( luxury Model 1.6 ) costs arround $10.900
The Maple ( 1.5 full featured ) costs arround $10.000

Other makes :

Hyundai Accent ( 2004 shape ) costs $11.000
Kia Picanto - $9500
Proton Wira 1.5 - $11.000
Hyundai Getz - $12.000
Fiat Palio 1.3 - $11.000
Cheveorlet Aveo ( Daewoo Kalos ) - $13.000

these are the ranges ....
I am gonna get the fiat palio

[Real_I_Hate_China]

Thank you for illustrating my point.

No price difference between Chinese and non-Chinese cars.

[Admin]

Thank you for illustrating my point.

No price difference between Chinese and non-Chinese cars.

Chinese cars are still working on their lines of production and arent efficient yet, once they are efficient, they will be 25% cheaper than the competition, They are just launching in test markets right now, once those markets are successful and they can launch big markets they will lower prices lots

[cryptonx]

to I_hate_china

actualy they are cheaper but not in my country
because there's 40% TAX on imports with engines less or equal to 1.6
for example if the yaris costs $100
it will cost $140 here

and 135% tax on cars larger than 1.6
so if the corrolla 1.8 costs $100
it will cost $235 here

then comes the STUPID car dealers .. who just want to make EVERY PENNY OUT OF EVERY CAR ,you cant even TEST DRIVE cars here ,,, unless u book them with a down payment ( so he can guarntee ur gonna buy it )

[Real_I_Hate_China]

Chinese cars are still working on their lines of production and arent efficient yet, once they are efficient, they will be 25% cheaper than the competition, They are just launching in test markets right now, once those markets are successful and they can launch big markets they will lower prices lots
It doesn't work like that.

As an automaker matures and becomes more efficient, the percentage of labor cost drops to 5% or less of an overall manufacturing cost.

Visit any Hyundai factory, and the factory employs 2,500 workers to produce 300,000 cars, or roughly 120 cars per worker per year.

Suppose the mean salary is $70,000 for wages and benefits, labor cost works out to be $583.33 per car. Move to China, and all you are saving is $500 in labor cost, which is nothing compared to import cost and logistics.

This is the reason why Toyota and Honda do not import their cars assembled in China into the US and stick to Japan and US assembly, simply because cost saving is just not there. It actually costs more to assemble an Accord in China than in the US because of higher logistics, even before shipping the finished car back to the US.

[Real_I_Hate_China]

My stance is that the developed market is already closed for Chinese cars, Chinese automakers will have to contend with their home market and a few developing markets like middle east, southeast asia, south america, and africa.

That is not such a bad prospect, since the Chinese auto market is expected to match the volume of US market in the next 15 years. Pasture is greener at home than in the cutthroad US market.