Chevy Spark vs Chery QQ [Archive]

superidler

12-22-2006, 06:19 PM

Chevy spark

no fog lights, no alloy wheels

ugly, ugly interior

no tachometer, GM too cheap to put in tachometer

I don't think they have the hole at the below of the front bumper for nothing.
If options are not available in the particular countries, does it make a car itself worse? May be only for the price aspect but not the car itself.
Blame your local dealer. They're the one who decide not to bring those.

And I don't see much difference of interior between two cars. what make QQ is so much better looking than spark significantly?

In fact, Matiz has 4 different trims in korea and the one picture looks like the entry level one. Anyway,where do these pictures come from? Coz, this model run out 1 or 2 yr ago (it's version2 and there is version 3)in korea. Were they built in the local?

And GM Daewoo is redesigning Matiz and chery should have one as well. so you'll be able to see the real gap between chery and GM Daewoo soon.

And it's true. Matiz was too cheap to put the tachometer in when it was introduced at the time. There was other compact model in Daewoo. It was called Tico and many people in korea thought it was shame to drive a such small and ugly car. But people changed after the matiz was introduced, because it was so cute and its good FC.

And do you know Matiz got a better initial quailty score than QQ in China(I think they had a better consumer satisfaction too)? Actually, they got the highest in its class though I don't know the number of cars in the class.

http://www.automotivedigest.com/view_art.asp?articlesID=21018

gr8

12-22-2006, 06:46 PM

ill take the qq just because its chinese lol. and the thing about the fog lights, i really hate how gm ford and chysler do buisness especially in Canada. gm like to advertise a really really low price but thats only the car with no options, taxes not included, and all these hidden fees taht they tell you AFTER you decided to buy the car. a car here for 25 000 CDN can easily get booted to 32 000 CDN.

hazik

12-25-2006, 01:14 AM

http://www.pakwheels.com/images/cars/mRide_11142.jpg

good alloy wheels

http://www.pakwheels.com/images/cars/mRide_11143.jpg

http://www.pakwheels.com/images/cars/mRide_11145.jpg

4 power windows/door locks, keyless entry security system Spark has none of those

http://www.pakwheels.com/images/cars/mRide_11146.jpg

cryptonx

12-25-2006, 03:38 AM

GM is redesigning the spark huh ?

well guess who else is redesigning his cute supermini !

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Chery POLOPOLO Chery QQrails CheryQQ360

click for a larger image ! you KNOW YOU WANT TO !

hazik

12-25-2006, 10:28 PM

GM is redesigning the spark huh ?

well guess who else is redesigning his cute supermini !

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Chery POLOPOLO Chery QQrails CheryQQ360

click for a larger image ! you KNOW YOU WANT TO !

WOW! amazing photoshop work

Real_I_Hate_China

12-26-2006, 04:42 PM

I am deeply troubled by Chinese acceptance of a pirated good. Chery QQ is something Chinese should be ashamed of, not to be proud of.

god_bless_japan

12-28-2006, 12:16 PM

I am deeply troubled by Chinese acceptance of a pirated good. Chery QQ is something Chinese should be ashamed of, not to be proud of.

:iagree:

chinoy54

12-29-2006, 03:40 AM

from a western perception, i would have to agree w/you. but you have a multitude of choices available to you, a good income with w/ch to purchase your wheels of choice, & banks offering competitive financing rates up to five years. look at it from an average chinese's viewpoint. he has basically three choices given his limited income- a better motorcycle, a chang-an breadbox, the geely hq, or the chery qq, in ascending order, price-wise. is he going to say, i'll stick to my suzuki-copy motorcycle because the chang-an is a shameless copy of the suzuki minivan, the geely-hq is a shameless copy of the daihatsu charade, & the cherry qq is a shameless copy of the matiz/spark. the fact of the matter is-he has no choice-if he wants to go on four wheels, these are his choices. 2 million chinese have made these choices in 2006. maybe they shouldn't have exported these copycat models. that's their mistake-they have hurt western sensibilities.

kkrit ilovewasa

01-05-2007, 07:50 AM

4 power windows/door locks, keyless entry security system Spark has none of those

http://www.pakwheels.com/images/cars/mRide_11146.jpg

Wow!

Right-hand-drive is available!

But I think nobody in my country want a Chinese car! But I want, but not QQ :)

(Oh! Daewoo Matiz is not available in my country too!)

CaymanS

01-05-2007, 05:58 PM

Chevy spark

no fog lights, no alloy wheels

ugly, ugly interior

no tachometer, GM too cheap to put in tachometer

I've never seen a more ignorant person than hazik. I just had to register to post this. First of all, there is no credibility in your post as you are a Chery QQ driver yourself, am I correct? The quality of the Chery QQ is yet to improve. Your pictures of the QQ that show us a more in-depth look at the poor quality and materials that are implemented. You can't just degrade the Spark because it has less features. First of all, the Spark looks nicer, performs better and has a decent history, something that the QQ really needs to work on. The Spark was introduced in 1997 as the Matiz. The Spark pioneered the segment back then. Chery comes into the race and cheats by how, designing (rather using the copy machine) the blatant rip-off of the Spark, in the ever-so creative name of QQ. It sparked international attention and even made Chery's reputation even worse. I agree with the members before. The Chinese shouldnt be proud of this rip-off, they should be shamed. Just because the Matiz lacks some needless fog lights or alloy wheels. If there was no Spark, there would be no QQ. Why? Because the QQ relies on the Spark to gain success. By the way hazik, you have to come visit America, there is something called a 'navigation system' that you would probably drool over and something that is starting to become available in manny compact vehicles. A lot of features in a cheap price isn't always good. Its a shame Chery still goes by that phrase.

hazik

01-05-2007, 08:58 PM

I've never seen a more ignorant person than hazik. I just had to register to post this. First of all, there is no credibility in your post as you are a Chery QQ driver yourself, am I correct? The quality of the Chery QQ is yet to improve. Your pictures of the QQ that show us a more in-depth look at the poor quality and materials that are implemented. You can't just degrade the Spark because it has less features. First of all, the Spark looks nicer, performs better and has a decent history, something that the QQ really needs to work on. The Spark was introduced in 1997 as the Matiz. The Spark pioneered the segment back then. Chery comes into the race and cheats by how, designing (rather using the copy machine) the blatant rip-off of the Spark, in the ever-so creative name of QQ. It sparked international attention and even made Chery's reputation even worse. I agree with the members before. The Chinese shouldnt be proud of this rip-off, they should be shamed. Just because the Matiz lacks some needless fog lights or alloy wheels. If there was no Spark, there would be no QQ. Why? Because the QQ relies on the Spark to gain success. By the way hazik, you have to come visit America, there is something called a 'navigation system' that you would probably drool over and something that is starting to become available in manny compact vehicles. A lot of features in a cheap price isn't always good. Its a shame Chery still goes by that phrase.

HaHa

the only ignorant here is You. How does a car with no alloy wheels, no fog lights, no tachometer, no rear spoiler Look better than an identical car that has all of the above. That's like saying You're integra with no alloy wheels no fog lights no rear spoiler looks better than my Integra Type R with bigger alloy wheels, rear wing spoiler, fog lights, and more powerful engine.

chinoy54

01-05-2007, 09:17 PM

i've seen the chery qq up close, & comparing it w/ the geely hq, the byd flyer, & the hafei lobo, all of w/ch i have seen in the flesh the fit, finish & build quality of the qq is second only to the hafei lobo. granted that the qq began life as a matiz copy, it has been in the china market now for at least three years, there are probably more than 150,000 of these running in china, & it has been accepted by the china market. it has been the subject of a lawsuit, w/ch gained it notoriety in the world press-the matter was settled out of court-& now, it is being exported to the middle east, to singapore, & elsewhere.
in my humble opinion, it is a SUCCESS, regardless of its storied, or maybe some will say, sordid past.

hazik

01-05-2007, 09:25 PM

cryptonx

01-06-2007, 02:33 AM

Honestly Hazik ,

Whatever they do to the QQ , I would still prefer the Spark , even with no alloys or fog lights .

Especially the new SPARK ,
http://www.chevrolet.co.za/content_data/LAAM/ZA/en/GBPZA/001/images/Spark-Homepage.jpg

its milestones ahead of the QQ in STYLE and MATERIAL quality , I 've DRIVEN both and I know what I am talking about ( The new spark , not the old one )

and here's even a MODIFIED SPARK , that I CAN"T think you can achieve this really good mod on a QQ .

http://hvtm.totalcar.hu/car/m/chevrolet/994685.jpg

THE ONLY attractive PURCHASE point about the QQ , is the EZ-drive gearbox and its price , period .

hazik

01-06-2007, 10:33 AM

cryptonx

01-06-2007, 11:52 AM

are you serious ??

That QQ6 is a joke not a car , I still prefer the SPARK over it
and the S12 / A1 is nice really nice , but I think it's not to be compared with the spark , its longer and wider , altho its still sitting on the licensed/not licensed whole shitty problem chasis of the spark .

I know CHERY won't stop making QQs , since they are the best sellers for them , but honestly , among the new original cars they are making ( A5s / V5 / A1 and so ) the QQ is showing its age and doesn't go with the rest of cherys line .

should be replaced with the A1 , this car is really nice .

CaymanS

01-06-2007, 04:03 PM

hazik, do you know the word called 'fairness' in the English language? Looks to me like you do not. Why are you, even though we insist you not to, comparing a base model Spark to a fully loaded QQ? Heck if it was the other way around, you wouldnt have anything to say at all and it is still the case when compared as unfair as this. Also, give us some proof that the QQ is doing better than the Spark. In Europe. the Spark is selling like mads because those people are educated car buyers who can tell which one is better than the other, which is frankly the case for the Spark and the QQ. In China, the QQ buyers are being fooled by Chery and they think the Spark copied the QQ. Also, Chinese buyers buy a car that is cheap with lots of features PERIOD. That is the most foolish way to buy a car. The Chery QQ is also very unreliable and unsafe that they can't even export it to the US which is their lifelong dream. Just listen to this. If there is no Spark, there is no QQ. OK? So stop blabbing about the QQ being better than the Spark because it has some extra features that quite frankly is untrue, when compared fairly. You seriously have to know what a 'good' car is.

P.S. That modified Spark is photoshop. However, the Spark can kick the QQ's a** even if it has no 'alloy' wheels which hazik drools over.

hazik

01-06-2007, 05:12 PM

the Spark can kick the QQ's a** even if it has no 'alloy' wheels which hazik drools over.

Haha You'll blow the Sparks engine if you ever got in a race with a chery QQ. Spark doesn't even have a tachometer you won't even know when you have passed the red line and your engine will blow.

Chevy Spark is the most unreliable car in the world. Chery QQ was ratest highest in quality by JD power, Spark was rated most likely to get a blown engine.

superidler

01-08-2007, 12:55 AM

Haha You'll blow the Sparks engine if you ever got in a race with a chery QQ. Spark doesn't even have a tachometer you won't even know when you have passed the red line and your engine will blow.

Chevy Spark is the most unreliable car in the world. Chery QQ was ratest highest in quality by JD power, Spark was rated most likely to get a blown engine.

can u provide source? I found the introduction of chery in this site says "2005- Chery forms a strategic partnership with Visionary Vehicles of the U.S.A Chery QQ ranks highest in compact car segment in J.D.Power 2004 China Initial Quality Study (IQS), " but I can't find IQS in china for 2004 or 2003.

2003;
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/yearlyreleases.asp?Year=2003

2004;
http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/yearlyreleases.asp?Year=2004

And For 2006, qq is not even in top 3.

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2005268

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2006290

cryptonx

01-08-2007, 03:15 AM

like I said Hazik , I have nothing against chinese , chinese cars or chinese companies , except maybe GEELY ( They suck ! you have to agree :P )

but as for Clones or Copies , I am totally against them , inspiration is something , and a REPLICA is another thing , so basicly talking about the QQ , even if it has a JET ENGINE installed , is jibberish , its still a crappy car no matter what it does

even the Stretched QQ6 or whatever is alot much better to talk ON , yes its using the Spark chasis but at least its modified and seems original , then and only then you can compare both cars .

again I agree to Caymans point of view , if there were no Daeoow ,, there would be NO Chery QQ . soi stop going in cirlces , Iam not teasing you or just talking crap about chery , I know I am going to buy a chery one day , but please stop defending a lost cause. . the QQ sucks ... the Spark sucks as well , ok ?

Man .. !!

Real_I_Hate_China

01-08-2007, 08:59 AM

Chevy Spark is the most unreliable car in the world. Chery QQ was ratest highest in quality by JD power, Spark was rated most likely to get a blown engine.

JD Powers 2005 Survey

The Chevrolet Spark ranks highest in initial quality in the compact car segment with 296 PP100. Chery QQ (391 PP100) and Tianjin Xiali (424 PP100) follow the Spark, respectively. The Spark outperforms other compact models in six of the nine categories, including Ride, Handling & Braking; Seats; HVAC (tied with Chery QQ); Sound System; Vehicle Exterior; and Engine.

JD Powers 2006 Survey

The Chevrolet Spark ranks highest in initial quality in the compact car segment with 323 PP100. The Suzuki Wagon R (386 PP100) and Alto (388 PP100) follow the Spark, respectively. In particular, the Spark performs well in ride, handling and braking; seats; vehicle exterior; vehicle interior and engine.
Notice that QQ's quality nosedived as Chery sacrificed quality to cut prices. Chery was the second worse performer quality wise after Geely in 2006.

If you want quality, then you buy a Spark. If you only care about price, then QQ is your liking.

KING_OF_HILL

01-28-2007, 12:12 AM

hazik, do you know the word called 'fairness' in the English language? ......The Chery QQ is also very unreliable and unsafe that they can't even export it to the US which is their lifelong dream. ...You seriously have to know what a 'good' car is.

P.S. That modified Spark is photoshop. However, the Spark can kick the QQ's a** even if it has no 'alloy' wheels which hazik drools over.

Do you think consumers would knowingly put their lives at risk? Do you think they are stupid enough that when it comes to purchase a car they wouldn't look at every single aspect of a car???

Chery has been kicking Spark's a** for 3 years in a row in China, probably the most picky consumer group in the world. And why? Because consumers value those features, they ok with QQ's quality and pleased by the price.

My defination of "fairness" is you put two products on the table, side by side and let the consumers make choice on their own. Spark is the best selling in Europe is because it doesn't have the compitation from QQ, at least not yet at this point. :lol:

I don't care what other people say about Chery, I like Chery because after all this is a company that did not exist 9 years ago, who last year just sold 300,000 cars a year. For whatever reason that you don't like Chery, my advise is "SUCK IT IN!!! " :nod:

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Real_I_Hate_China

01-28-2007, 12:29 PM

Chery has been kicking Spark's a** for 3 years in a row in China
Which is a sad example of Chinese legal justice system not working.

probably the most picky consumer group in the world.
Nope. Chinese consumers only care about price.

And why? Because consumers value those features, they ok with QQ's quality and pleased by the price.
And are willing to overlook QQ's worst quality record in China..

My defination of "fairness" is you put two products on the table, side by side and let the consumers make choice on their own.
My definition of "fairness" is that one must not pirate the product of another.

Spark is the best selling in Europe is because it doesn't have the compitation from QQ, at least not yet at this point. :lol:
Why do you think EU would allow the sales of a pirated good in their market?

flc2006

01-28-2007, 11:44 PM

I think both cars should at least come with ABS and four airbags but atleast the QQ has tachometer , both of the models need to improved.

Admin

01-29-2007, 12:28 AM

I think both cars should at least come with ABS and four airbags but atleast the QQ has tachometer , both of the models need to improved.

welcome to CCF flc2006:)

god_bless_japan

01-29-2007, 11:17 AM

I think both cars should at least come with ABS and four airbags but atleast the QQ has tachometer , both of the models need to improved.

i dont see why the chinese consumer need tachometer given the cars are never revved hard due to fuel economy concerns.

gr8

01-29-2007, 08:02 PM

Which is a sad example of Chinese legal justice system not working.

Nope. Chinese consumers only care about price.

And are willing to overlook QQ's worst quality record in China..

My definition of "fairness" is that one must not pirate the product of another.

Why do you think EU would allow the sales of a pirated good in their market?

you just bending it too far. :nono:

KING_OF_HILL

02-05-2007, 02:33 AM

i dont see why the chinese consumer need tachometer given the cars are never revved hard due to fuel economy concerns.

Dude, where did u get the idea that a car does not need a tachometer ?

Some of the fancy lawn tractors I've seen have tachometers, there is no execuse why you can't put some of the very basic features in a car, Spark failed to do that so they were dumped by Chinese consumers.

Put it in a simple way, if it is a feature you see on a lawn tractor, I want to see it in my car !!!

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KING_OF_HILL

02-05-2007, 02:45 AM

Which is a sad example of Chinese legal justice system not working.

Nope. Chinese consumers only care about price.

And are willing to overlook QQ's worst quality record in China..
People's choice.

My definition of "fairness" is that one must not pirate the product of another.

It's amazing to see how you apply double standard over and over, tell me what exactly Hyndai did in the 90s, where did they get the logo from, what was their true intention of having a logo that is so similar to Honda.

I'm sure you can come up with a good explaination, give us a perfect example of your double standard, cut-out-of-contact technique.

Why do you think EU would allow the sales of a pirated good in their market?
Chery has a whole line up of products to be exported to Europe in the future,
better products for the same money. The prospect of whole made-in-korea concept is bleak.

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CaymanS

02-05-2007, 09:09 PM

KING_OF_HILL, you need to consider an aspect in life called 'reality'. The Spark comes with a darn tachometer, all right? We already know that Chinese consumers in China care about price. I won't argue about that because if that's what they want, they should get it. However, there is no excuse for the automakers to copy other automakers' designs. They invested and implemented their skills and used millions of dollars creating it and I think you would be infuriated to see a blatant copy come out 2 weeks after the original car comes out. Hyundai's logo relates to their mantra: company to customer. Although, it can be only vaguely seen, it is the image of an H and also two people, the employee and the customer shaking hands. They had no intention to ever copy other automakers. Getting back to the Chinese consumers, Chinese automakers have set a goal to export their automobiles across the world, particularly North America. I am saying this for the benefit of the Chinese automakers. Their reputation is deteriorating by the day. If they want to export and hopefully become successful in foreign markets who intend quality over quantity, they have to straighten up.

By the way King of Hill, just chill. This is just an automotive discussion forum, not a debate.

cryptonx

02-06-2007, 01:52 AM

yeah all of you ppl need to chill :D

but CaymanS , wait till they clone ur Porsche :D will you chill then ? :P

4*real*Made_in_China

02-07-2007, 05:46 AM

http://www.pakwheels.com/images/cars/mRide_11142.jpg

good alloy wheels

[image deleted, 5 was over the limit]

http://www.pakwheels.com/images/cars/mRide_11145.jpg

4 power windows/door locks, keyless entry security system Spark has none of those

http://www.pakwheels.com/images/cars/mRide_11146.jpg
Hazik, with all due respect, the French Matiz (newer version of the Spark) has fog lamps and power windows 646.
The Chery QQ has the exact same interior save the steering wheel and interior colors. Both cars have the exact same shape and even details like
door handles. Minor interior details and extras, exterior details (different front fascia) and alloy wheels aren't expensive to change. The Matiz was introduced in 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matiz) and the QQ in
2003 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chery_QQ). (Hmm, wonder who copied who?) I don't mean to rain on your parade, but it ticks me off when people
mislead people. Funny enough though, I can't find the Spark on the Chevrolet.com.cn site, did they get rid of it? Have a nice day then :D