Chinese Car Quality Survey

[Real_I_Hate_China]

Quality of cars sold in China By JD Power (PP100) Fewer the better

Foreign brand cars

Toyota Camry : 70
Mazda 6 : 109
Honda Accord : 110
Toyota Vios : 147
Honda Fit : 153
Volkswagen Polo : 159
Toyota Corolla : 130
Nissan Sunny : 134
Volkswagen Bora : 145
Chevrolet Spark : 296

Chinese brand cars

Chery QQ : 391
Tianjin Xiali : 424
Any car with PP100 score of higher than 150 is considered a junk and unmarketable in the US. Chinese are not ready to come to America. Try again in 10 years.

[Admin]

what year was this report??

and where is China Brilliance and Geely reports and other Chery cars like b12?

[Real_I_Hate_China]

what year was this report??
December 2005

and where is China Brilliance and Geely reports and other Chery cars like b12?
For that you will have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a full report.

[phaeton]

FAW-Volkswagen Bora : 145
Shanghai-Volkswagen Polo : 159

Any other VW's on the list ?

[ehcross]

Have you got a rating for BYD F3?

[chinoy54]

am i right to presume that all the cars listed here are produced in china, not imported as completely-built-up (cbu)?

[dragin]

You are right Chinoy54. This is a JD Power survey exclusively prepared for China-built vehicles, i.e. no CBUs.

The China Association of Quality also released the results of their CACSI China Auto Customer Satisfaction Index survey last November. An article about the results was published by the China Daily and recounted by many of the internet news media.

The released results of both surveys are skimpy, offering very little maker-specific detail. It appears that Real-I-Hate is correct... in China, at least for now, the consumer must pay a lot of money to learn the real story about current product quality.

The CACSI survey indicated that Geely was at the bottom of the list but in answer to someone else's question, I'd be willing to bet that BYD was a close second for that spot.

[chinoy54]

thanks for the info, dragin. did someone commission jdpower to conduct the survey for chinese cars, i don't think they do this as a matter of course, but only if somebody pays them big bucks to find out how they rank in the survey. also, since this was done in 2005, shouldn't audi & bmw be somewhere in there?

[dragin]

You can be sure that JD Power scoped out the market before setting up shop in Shanghai. I'm sure the number of sales promotion and other folks, who are willing to pay big bucks for the results, will continue to grow. But like they encountered in the US, they will no doubt go up against some homegrown competition such as the CAQ that I mentioned.

As for the omissions from Real-I-Hate's list....I don't know, but I did notice that he forgot to mention the Hyundai and Kia JV products.....

[god_bless_japan]

In UK we have a JD associated customer satisfaction report, lexus in Number 1, toyota, honda and subaru, skoda,mazda, porsche are in top 10. bottom of the list are the french (peugeot/citroen), ford, vauxhall (gm opel) ford, fiat alfa romeo etc.

[delpitos]

German cars are the best ... :)

[gr8]

German cars are the best ... :)
wrong forum buddy

[ash]

wrong forum buddy


LOL!!!!!!!!:lol:

[god_bless_japan]

wrong forum buddy


why is it wrong forum given VW built in China are very popular. He has the right to say that you know:mad: also if it wasnt for chinese govt restriction on foreigh cars, germans made cars would be more popular by the chinese people

[gr8]

why is it wrong forum given VW built in China are very popular. He has the right to say that you know:mad: also if it wasnt for chinese govt restriction on foreigh cars, germans made cars would be more popular by the chinese people
take it easy buddy, it was just a joke. not everything in this forum has to be full of argressive arguments. :thumb:

[god_bless_japan]

Cheers GR8, good to know it is/was a joke.:nod: ;)

[KING_OF_HILL]

In UK we have a JD associated customer satisfaction report, lexus in Number 1, toyota, honda and subaru, skoda,mazda, porsche are in top 10. bottom of the list are the french (peugeot/citroen), ford, vauxhall (gm opel) ford, fiat alfa romeo etc.

Another day dreamy Japanese dude... :lol:

See, the problem with Europeans is that they like their prestige, Japanese stuff would never rank in the top, it's only your wishful thinking. French will always drive peugeot and Germans will alway drive VW, Japanese brands have never had any siginficant influnence in Europe.

[KING_OF_HILL]

December 2005

DUDE, Which cliff do you live on?

It's year 2007 now! Bring something meaningful to talk about. By the way, I have some 2006 season front seat tickets for Houston Rockets for sale at a great price, interested???


.

[cryptonx]

German cars : BMW & MERCEDES
wanna be German cars : VW :P

( Phaeton dont eat me :P )

seriously tho , VWs reputation here ( in the middle east ) is going down the toilet ... altho sales are more than any given date before , but complaints / faults and build issues are also bigger than any given time before .. at least for the middle east .. I dont know where do they come from .

btw a Friend of mine .. insists that VOLVO is german , would you please be kind and inform him here , so he can read it , that he is an IDIOT ! :D

Thanks .

[eddie]

German cars : BMW & MERCEDES
wanna be German cars : VW :P

( Phaeton dont eat me :P )

seriously tho , VWs reputation here ( in the middle east ) is going down the toilet ... altho sales are more than any given date before , but complaints / faults and build issues are also bigger than any given time before .. at least for the middle east .. I dont know where do they come from .

btw a Friend of mine .. insists that VOLVO is german , would you please be kind and inform him here , so he can read it , that he is an IDIOT ! :D

Thanks .

does your friend also claim that SAAB is German too?:nono:

[phaeton]

German cars : BMW & MERCEDES
wanna be German cars : VW

( Phaeton dont eat me )

seriously tho , VWs reputation here ( in the middle east ) is going down the toilet ... altho sales are more than any given date before , but complaints / faults and build issues are also bigger than any given time before .. at least for the middle east .. I dont know where do they come from .

btw a Friend of mine .. insists that VOLVO is german , would you please be kind and inform him here , so he can read it , that he is an IDIOT ! :D

Thanks .

LOL I never would eat you.

Yes VW have issues in Middle East but they're working on that ;) also VW Middle East continues to grow with full factory support which is a good thing :D

Tell your friend Volvo is Swedish :D

[Olegas]

I ask you to help me!!!
For me are urgently necessary the Internet of the address of factories of manufacturers here these models of automobiles;
Derways Land Crown
BAW Land King:(

[dragin]

This discussion obviously went downhill and way off topic. But it's unquestionably a hot topic these days as we can see in some of the real world consumer feedback posts.

We've heard from disillusioned buyers like Eagle2007, and at the same time from happy ones like Micodelija.

This year, like last, the China Automobile Customer Satisfaction Index (CACSI) report will come out again in November, and we can't but wonder if the sample the CAQ uses, will reflect the real heart and mind of the customer.

Last year Pokershark let us know about the results that were published online.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2006-11/20/content_737403.htm
It was a disappointment to see that there was only a 0.1% improvement over the previous year.

For those recent car buyers who want to give firsthand input about their quality experience they can contact:

China Association for Quality (CAQ)
No.12 Zhong Jingjidao, Xicheng District, Beijing 100032
北京西城区中京畿道12号100032
Tel: 86-10-66079100
Fax: 86-10-66017824
Internet:www.caq.org.cn/
E-mail:caq@caq.org.cn

[umax]

I've been reading the China Daily article (Updated: 2006-11-20 08:28) mentioned here. Their conclusions are correct: the Chinese manufacturers should focus on quality versus price cuts.

This strategy will probably hurt them on short term (lower volumes sold at slightly higher prices than competition), but in the medium term (3-5 years) they will be the winners, as Chinese customers will understand that a low priced car USUALLY means a low quality car. And I doubt that Chinese customers are willing to buy a new car every 3 years, just because the older one proves to be a junk and is not usable anymore (or it's repairing costs make it very expensive to use).

And this "price cut" strategy will go nowhere. The manufacturers can't keep lowering the price forever. I'm sure some of them already reached the bottom, and sell their cars for no profit (or even lose money). I wonder how long will this strategy be applied, making cars not for profit, not for customer satisfaction, but just for the fun of manufacturing them... :lol:

The above facts are 100% applicable for European customers. These customers are wiling to pay an extra $1000-$2000 but to buy a better car (or, at least, viewed by the customers as a better car). With no improved quality, I guess the Chinese manufacturers will keep failing in entering the European and US market. That's too bad...:nono: