Well I've noticed that some websites list the A11 ( windcloud on the www.cheryglobal.com website )

as a 1.6L 8v SOHC engine

while others say its a 1.6L 16v SOHC engine

some say its based on a FORD CVH engine and some say its based on a new Austrian AVL engine !

since I didn't buy my car yet , this car is still very good deal to me , but I am not going to buy a 8v car or a car that is discontinued

many ppl here told me that they replaced it with the flagcloud !
then why are they still exporting it ? and why will it be assemebled in Russia ?

the flagcloud costs almost the same as an Elantra / Lancer here !
but the Windcloud is very well priced ( cheaper than the 2006 accent by $4000 )

but why would they export a discontinued product ? and does this means that there's not going to be spare parts in the future ?

but why would they export a discontinued product?
To dump their unsold vehicles upon unsuspecting foreigners.

and does this means that there's not going to be spare parts in the future ?
If you can't find parts from Chery, then search VW parts bin. Chery A series are unauthorized replicas of Seat Toledo/2nd generation Golf.

Some japanese companys are still selling their 1980's models as new cars today. Suzuki is still selling this car in pakistan called the Mehran as a 2005 model. It was discontinued in japan in the 1980's.


http://www.pakwheels.com/NewArrivals/Images/Suzuki_Mehran_2005_04.jpg

http://www.pakwheels.com/NewArrivals/Images/Suzuki_Mehran_2005_02.jpg

http://www.pakwheels.com/NewArrivals/Images/Suzuki_Mehran_2005_05.jpg

http://www.pakwheels.com/NewArrivals/suzukimehran2005.asp

those japanese companys have been ripping off people in the middle east with their high priced cars that have little features. Until Chery went into pakistan with low priced cars that included all the options like alloy wheels, leather seats, cd player, air conditioning, power win/locks.

PLEASE DON'T CHANGE THIS TO A CHINA VS THE WORLD FIGHT POST !

I_reaL_HATE_CHINA
I know all of that already but thanks alot , I dont need info from you , I need info from ppl who saw / tried or own a chery A11 .

at Hazik

I really dont care , copies , replicas , if u see the cars on sale for $10,000 chery A11 owns them by alot .

anyways BACK TO MY POINT PLZ ? ANYONE ANSWER THE 8V - 16V thing

Who cares where Chery got its engines, they were all illegal any way.

Save for Mitubish 2.4, Tritec, and new ACTECO.

Who cares where Chery got its engines, they were all illegal any way.

Save for Mitubish 2.4, Tritec, and new ACTECO.


which chery engines are illegal?

Who cares where Chery got its engines, they were all illegal any way.

Save for Mitubish 2.4, Tritec, and new ACTECO.


first of all I said I dont want your damned replies here

2nd of all , I am not talking about where the engine is from , I want to know wether the one on SALE now is a 8V engine or a 16V engine , and apparently you don't know

so stick something upyours and stfu

and sad info for you my friend

"LIFAN" another chinese company is going to buy the Tritec Factory , after BMW & DC stopped using their engines ..

and its not a one side story , tritec did release a press release , about a deal with lifan to aqurie its factory totally and another deal with a second chinese manufactre .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritec_engine

so it means that TRITEC engines will be in almost all chinese cars by 2008 :D
now how are they going to buy that Factory ? Assault it ? Steal it ?
and no i dont want your reply to this one as well . go reply to urself somewhere else

anyways BACK TO MY POINT PLZ ? ANYONE ANSWER THE 8V - 16V thing


Try these websites

http://www.alado.com.my

http://www.pakchery.com

which chery engines are illegal?
Anything not purchased from an outside supplier.

Anything not purchased from an outside supplier.

which engines are those?

which engines are those?

You can't expect to get the answer from a troll.

I am more than surprised why he hasn't got banned. I mean an ID like that, how come the admin even allows this? :confused:

You can't expect to get the answer from a troll.

I am more than surprised why he hasn't got banned. I mean an ID like that, how come the admin even allows this? :confused:

because he does contribute informative posts, and does not give direct comments to anyone which are offensive, if he does then i will delete those posts..

Engine：SQR480ED

4cylinder，8v

displacement：1596cc

output：69kw/5500rpm

torque：135nm/3000～3500rpm

I translated your post and put it on Mychery.org and here is the answer from someone who probably works in Chery Motor Co.

Windcloud is still being assembled, but in a quantity of less than 100 exemplars per month, all of which are by orders from dealers. So if there is still Windcloud being sold in Russia, that's because importer is still delivering orders. There's little possibility that Windcloud be assembled in Russia.

As far as its engine, he says a11（Windcloud）is equiped with a sohc 2*4＝8v
engine which differs from the Flagcloud.

I hope I have answered to your questions.

then why are they SELLING it as a 16V car here ???????????? ( Egypt not russia )

Technical Specification &Equipment


ENGINE

4cyl.SOhc n 16 V
Engine type

1596
Displacement (cc)

94/5500
Max.power (hp/rpm)

128/3000
Max.Torque Nm(r/Min)

9.75
Compression ratio

M.P injection
Fuel System

5-speed maual
Transmission


Brakes

Disc
Front

Drum
Rear


SUSPENSION(heavy duty)

Mcpherson
Front

Link Type
Rear


CAPACITIES & WEIGHT

6.5
Fuel Consumption (at 90 km/h,l)

550/1360
Trunk Capacity ( L )

1050
Net Weight (Kg)


PERFORMANCE

≥ 172
MAX.Speed (Km/h)


WHEEL & TIRES

82H X 14
Wheel

185/60 R 14
Tires

here's the dealer website
http://www.alforsangroup.com/models/cherry/a11.html

excuse the CHERRY and CHEERY mis-spelled :D

If this is true , the 8v thing , than that is a knock off for me , how come a CAR that large drives on a 8V engine ???

the only similar car currently is the stupid Aveo , its based on a 8v engine as well . but 1.5 .

damn it , nothing is perfect i guess ,Anyways thanks alot for your effors Firefox and thanks all who tried to help .

There is someone who added a thread saying that the Windcloud with a 16v TRITEC engine also exist, I'm getting confused too... So just check out if the engine of Windcloud being sold in Egypt is of Tritec brand, Maybe that will help. Good Luck!

Ok I will try to look for it , as I remmeber the engine was silver and plain , had no recognizable signs or marks to it , maybe a chery logo I dont quite remmember .

The only other logo I saw there is a BOSCH and of course lotsa chery logos .

EDIT : I doubt its a tritect , since the TRITEC 1.6 16v one is a DOHC ?
The car dealer I just called is telling me its a SOHC with Multivalves technology allowing it to be SOHC and 16V in the same time . and its based on a FORD CVH engine .

How much does A11 windcloud cost in Egypt?

the standard version with no ABS / Airbags or Alloy Wheels : $10,000
the LX version with ABS/Airbags and Alloy Wheels : $11,200

I called the Chery Distributor here , and he told me that he HEARD nothing of such a 8V engine ! and that He can prove to me that its 16V if I visited the mantianence HQ .

anyways He also told me that he heard nothing of such " Discontinued " for the A11 , and he also added " Chery would be very very stupid to do such a move , this car is on HIGH demand in alot of middle east countries , especialy the GULF , wheres alot of Taxi/Limousine companies have bought hundreds of these and of course will require more " , he said " they Should update it with a better interior and a better NOT SO NOISEY engine and try to remain in the same price , that way it will dominate the $10 to $12 market " .

I got more confused after that call , how come the MOTHER company says that its a 8V , while the local one CAN ACTUALY PROVE TO ME that its a 16V .

Chery QQ has 12V engine, does A11 engine look similar to this but with 4 cyl and 16v?

http://www.pakwheels.com/images/forums/2005/12/31/u261p33t148d26934f2100dt20040308170459_7MN_PakWhee ls(com).jpg

i'm from egypt and i just recently bought a QQ.
the guys at the dealer don't know shit. they couldn't even tell me what the usb connector in my car does.
I have the brochure that they distribute at their location in ismalia road and it clearly says 8 VALVE ENGINE!!
Sohc 94hp 132NM
they are mostly ignorant to the technicalities.
call them again and tell them to read you the brocheure for the A11, he will find it 8Valves. them shout at him a little for misleading you.
But aside from that the QQ and A11 are good cars and i think the maintainance there is decent, buy the car, ignore the dumb salesmen.

i'm from egypt and i just recently bought a QQ.
the guys at the dealer don't know shit. they couldn't even tell me what the usb connector in my car does.
I have the brochure that they distribute at their location in ismalia road and it clearly says 8 VALVE ENGINE!!
Sohc 94hp 132NM
they are mostly ignorant to the technicalities.
call them again and tell them to read you the brocheure for the A11, he will find it 8Valves. them shout at him a little for misleading you.
But aside from that the QQ and A11 are good cars and i think the maintainance there is decent, buy the car, ignore the dumb salesmen.

They should hire you to be the salesman.:nod:

Yes , Indeed but again since I am no expert with cars , isnt a 8V engine for a car this size is a bit ... emm ... LOW ?

I mean the QQ has a 12V engine !

Or I am I missing the point of the whole VALVES thing ??

Anyways I know that the Chevorlet Aveo / Daewoo Kalos is a 1.5V 8V engine as well but that doesnt justify the fact that its not that good .

anyone experts in motors now ?

Thanks alot fmohiy
Actualy I am not going to shout , I am gonna do alot more :D

it is true that a 16 valve engine is better than an 8 valve one. in case on 1.6 engines, they were mostly 8 valves until the near the year 2000( i think). in egypt, most local assebly cars have 8v engines like regata, dogan, tempra, sienna 1.4. the difference in power is mostly minimal. the A11 1.6 is 94hp 132NM while the fiat petra in egypt has a 16v engine but only 103hp and 135NM. you would rarely feel the difference. even though we still have engines that are 8v but they are more technologically andvanced and the addition of fuel injection instead of carberuttors raises the engines performance.
for example,my regata 1.5 82hp 123NM carb while aveo inj 1.5 83hp 128NM.

So it's a safe buy , I mean the A11 ?

I am currently confused between it and between the Fiat Palio 1.2L 16V 82HP ( Hatchback - 66,000 ) Full options but no abs/airbags and only 1 year waranty , what do you think ?

8v or 16v - in terms of power output, you won't notice a difference until you are at higher engine speeds, typically 4000rpm plus.

main problem with the chery A11 and it's ford engine is a lack of smoothness and relatively high noise, and the fuel consumption is not great. in terms of making the car move, it's no rocketship but ok for general use.

the engine is not ripped off, they bought the design rights and all the manufacturing equipment from Ford's Bridgend plant in UK. since then they have made some developments to the engine and continue to do so, it is not discontinued although it is old technology now.

there is a version of this car going into production with 1.6 litre AVL developed engine, but it's just starting now and might be some time before it gets overseas.

if the price is same as fiat palio, then if you need a car with a bit of size to carry 4 or 5 people and with a huge trunk, then it's the one to go for. more for your money, although a bit of an unknown as it's a new company and new distributorship. if you are young and childless and want a sporty little number then the fiat might be the one to go for.

i wanted to try an experiment so got myself a chery in china and it hasn't disappointed. but then I was looking for a tuning project and the combination of jetta chassis and '80s ford engine meant easy parts supply out of england.

i've had some reliability issues with the modified parts but the rest of the car has been ok. I had to have a new driveshaft and engine mount at 50k kms which is not normal, but I have been doing a lot of timed standing start testing with different engine specs and that kills these parts, also a fair amount of track work which judging by the effect on the tyres and brake pads I would say is also very heavy on the car.

I would be concerned about a dealer that doesn't give you a straight answer about things like the 8v / 16v question. at best he's an idiot, worst he's trying to con you.

happy motoring. most important thing is to get some wheels and get out on the highway, the rest will sort itself out in time!

this is the 8v engine. the newer ones have a plastic cover on top, but the thing that gives it away is the position of the spark plugs (on the ends of those yellow wires.

http://www.fightingtorque.com/images/Resizeofenginebay.jpg

I see your point , thanks alot
Well the chery dealers are not less stupid than the Fiat or any other company here.

The Fiat dealers gives only 1 year waranty with thier cars , selling them 20% more expensive and they dont even have A Radio/Cassette !!

but that's easy to add later , well I always wanted to drive a LARGE sedane ( I know the chery is not that large , but compared to a hatchback or a compact , it is ) but in the same time this is my first owned car ever , I mean my driving experience is very limited and I am only 22 ... all What I drove is some parking and some market shopping for my family in my dads 95 Corrolla Automatic transmission . so you know I am totaly in-experineced .

actualy the engine I saw is totally diffrent than this , it was SILVED colored not black and had an extruded silver chery logo on top of it , If I can get a picture of it today I will try .

thanks again , anyways I called the fait dealers , the 1.2 Palio is out of stock and should be available in a week , I will go see it closely and make my decision afterwards .

Its just that I want the features of the chery combined with the palio :D

So it's a safe buy , I mean the A11 ?

I am currently confused between it and between the Fiat Palio 1.2L 16V 82HP ( Hatchback - 66,000 ) Full options but no abs/airbags and only 1 year waranty , what do you think ?


What kind of options and warranty does the Chery A11 have in Egypt?

chery A11 in egypt has
air conditioning
4 electric windows
ABS brakes
2 airbags
center locking
powe steering

i think those are the main options.

warranty is 3 years 60,000 kms for the whole car.

chery A11 in egypt has

air conditioning
4 electric windows
Electirc mirros
ABS+EBD brakes
2 Siemens APV airbags
center locking
power steering

3 Years or 60,000 KM waranty

http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/engine_1.9.jpg

Is this how Chery A11 engine looks like in egypt?

Yes thats it

http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/engine_1.9.jpg

Is this how Chery A11 engine looks like in egypt?


i think the chery engine looks same everywhere