rear subframe, check. rear anti roll bar, check. too bad hater doesn't pay any attention to brilliance because he can't bitch that they copied something Korean.

not so sure about the pseudo V8 styling of the cover over the engine. That's the mitsubishi 2.0 unit, which will be swiftly forgotten pretty soon when the 1.8T comes out. as we know, the 1.8T can be identified by 'that tinfoil thing with the don't touch sign on it'

I had a sit in the front, sit in the back, poked my head in the trunk, I'm liking this. will have to get myself behind the wheel in due course. I'm thinking I'll have to get myself one.

great job FightingTorque , you are chinacarforums official technical inspector :nod:

It is a nice car and properly engineered by the looks of it. Im sure if export to North America is on the agenda, this car will do really good over there.

http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/Ny5O_2.jpg

new front Bumper

http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/LQoZ_5.jpg

new Outside rearview mirror

http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/8SNb_10.jpg

new interior

http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/RxGb_12.jpg

2007 Zhonghua Zunchi
http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/eEnK_16.jpg

Vehicle refrigerator

http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/Dxr7_18.jpg


http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/vJla_19.jpg

Now Brilliance BS6(=Zhonghua zunchi) is being improved in order to get a 3-star rating in NCAP crash test early next year

http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/IgLH_20.jpg

2007 junjie 1.8TCI DGI

http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/rw5n_21.jpg
http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/K9mC_22.jpg
http://image.xcar.com.cn/attachments/day_061117/KAeb_24.jpg

more at:
http://car.autohome.com.cn/pic/series/411.htm
http://www.autopic.net/query.asp?markid=449

Is that the car that's going to be exported to Europe. I thought it had a mitsubishi engine.

Briiliance have developed its own 1.8/2.0 CVVT and a powerful 1.8 Turbo engine with 125kw output. Brilliance 1.8 CVVT's power is equal to old Mitsubishi 4G63 2.0L engine with 100kw output.Brillance will soon equip with its own-developed powerful engine instead of the old powerless Mitsubishi engine.:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

nice about its pure chinese style lol. i just think the interior is too plain for a luxury car.

Briiliance have developed its own 1.8/2.0 CVVT and a powerful 1.8 Turbo DGI engine with 125kw output. Brilliance 1.8 CVVT's power is equal to old Mitsubishi 4G63 2.0L engine with 100kw output.Brillance will soon equip with its own-developed powerful engine instead of the old powerless Mitsubishi engine.:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Brilliance's own engine program will start with the 1.8 TCI (turbo charged, intercooled, injected but it isn't direct injection).
Shortly after will follow the 2.0 and 1.8 NA (non turbo) and then a 1.6 and a 1.4.

There exist some 1.8TCI GDI prototypes that may go into production in future. There is also potential in the design family to offer a V6 version.

Hi everyone, I'm new here as the search engine linked me to this wonderful car forum.

I have to admit I do not know much about Chinese cars as my country do not import any of them. But I'm interested to know more about it as I just bought a brandnew Zhonghua 2.0L auto sedan car in Shenyang and I think it is a junjie. All their catalogues are in chinese & the salesman cld not speak english either, so I just pointed to the model I wanted as I cld not read mandarin words & can only speak very basic putonghua. I hope I had make the right choice as I find the price reasonable comparing it to other imported models.

Does anyone knows how long have this new model been on the road?

Cheers

Welcome to CCF Rasputin :thumb:

According to 1st link Junjie has been out since 2006 :)

Zhonghua Brand Info
http://www.globalautoindex.com/maker.plt?no=2226&g=Zhonghua

Zhonghua Junjie specs (includes 2.0L spec ;))
http://www.globalautoindex.com/model.plt?no=4990&ass=

Hope these links help find what your looking for if not come back and ask here ;)

Welcome to China Car Forums, Rasputin! :D
Good choice.

You buy a car without knowing anything about it? Okay...:D

I was at a Brilliance dealer today. I like the Junjie very much, perhaps too much. I might buy it.

Anyway, I started talking to the dealer and even though they are advertising the 1.8T in their documentation (pamphlets etc) the dealer lady said she had no idea when they are coming out. I would buy a 1.8T no problem.

I didnt really like the interior either, but at 120k its a bargain.

I much prefer driving my rental land cruiser!

Here are some pics of it, I thought you might like since there are not much of it in this Forum.

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164291.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164289.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164310.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164280.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037487983263.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037540763632.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037645967123.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_203790780015.jpg

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037295344744.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037264609299.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037261597375.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_203751740438.jpg

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037484699347.jpg


Interior :

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164294.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164292.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2035/u_2035478615105.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037434870674.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037540533810.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164297.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164300.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164296.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037303455166.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037444910075.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2035/u_2035925127154.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037577776861.jpg

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_203786395098.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037263182135.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/2037/u_2037355582181.jpg

more at:
http://car.autohome.com.cn/pic/series/411.html


See ya'll !

Nice pictures :thumb:

i liked the pictures, specialy the michelin tire.
i have seen many bridgestone or dunlop tires with the sign Made in Japan and then the small sticker CCC ( china exports )

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-2-foto_4219952_10393030_10464080.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-2-foto_4219952_10393030_10464077.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-2-foto_4219952_10393030_10464071.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-2-foto_4219952_10393030_10464074.jpg



By the way, does anyone know what is that blue car (mark and model) in right corner of the last picture?

i liked the pictures, specialy the michelin tire.
i have seen many bridgestone or dunlop tires with the sign Made in Japan and then the small sticker CCC ( china exports )

"CCC mark will be required for a wide range of manufactured products before being exported to or sold in the Peoples Republic of China market."

That sticker just means it's certified for sale in China.
See www.ccc-mark.com

By the way, does anyone know what is that blue car (mark and model) in right corner of the last picture?
It's a ChangAn ALTO.ALTO is its name.

Maybe you're right but whataver it is, it's a cloned/rebadged old model Suzuki Alto.

lol this is first time I hear this, most, if not all of Brilliance models are based on BMW series. and FYI, Brilliance does not clone anyone cars, as I said most of their models are based on BMW models (with permission).

TBH, this is the funniest post ever. lol, I don't know how you come up with that Brilliance-Suzuki relationship, maybe you can do some Brilliance and Suzuki Alto comparison for us.

mememe, I was talking about the blue car that martin asked about, not about the Brilliance.

image of suzuki alto: memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/2490000-2490999/2490106_1.jpg
To me it looks the same as the blue car.

Thanks for info. If that is indeed Changan than it has to be Changan SC7080, a licensed version of Suzuki Alto.
I didn't recognize it because of strange rear ligts design.

If not a Chang'an Alto, then it might be a product of Jiangnan Auto who also produce the Suzuki-based model. Jiangnan was recently acquired by Zotye but the Alto is back in production after a temporary halt.

Can we bring a Jinjei to US from China?

How complicated is it?

Ye I think it is quite complicated considering the safety and emission standards.

Even if you would find a company that would modify car to meet USA regulations (what would probably also include installing new, cleaner engine) for handsome sum of money, don't forget the maintenance. Where would you service a car and find spare parts? It's just not worth it. Rather buy used BMW 3-series which is much better car.

Hi,

I'm interested in getting a JinJei to the US for personal use. However, it seems it won't not pass US safety standards. Any insights or thoughts on this?

Thanks!

Test of Brilliance BS4 at Inside Line:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=125157?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2 .*


http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2008/brilliance.bs4/08.brilliance.bs4.f34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2008/brilliance.bs4/08.brilliance.bs4.r34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2008/brilliance.bs4/08.brilliance.bs4.int.500.jpg

Hi,

I'm interested in getting a JinJei to the US for personal use. However, it seems it won't not pass US safety standards. Any insights or thoughts on this?

Thanks!

That is one car that is not going to pass US safety standards...take my word for it ..and forget the idea.

If Google translated below article right Brilliance will show BS4 Wagon at Beijing auto show:
http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/200804/36385.html


http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-3-foto_4219952_10796317_11638850.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-3-foto_4219952_10796317_11638847.jpg

That is one car that is not going to pass US safety standards...take my word for it ..and forget the idea.

Brilliance is targeting a late 2008 to 2009 debut. That means you too can have your own Junjie. Thats if it goes to plan.

Brilliance auto is already very behind, and dont see this happening before 2010

Is it still about the crash test problem ? if they can make a jump from 1 star to 3 stars in just in just few tens days then i don't see the problems of them doing their best trying to get 5 stars.

or is it the dealer network ?

First picture of station wagon.
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-37-foto_4219952_17420218_18396012.jpg
http://www.auto-news.de/webcore/data/content/Auto_Article_EXT/21406_1208529566888.jpg

Wagon live @ Beijing:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/daewoo-chevrolet/646028_JUNJIEWAGON001.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/daewoo-chevrolet/646028_JUNJIEWAGON002.jpg

Source: www.pcauto.com.cn

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-3-foto_4219952_10796317_11788954.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-3-foto_4219952_10796317_11788951.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-3-foto_4219952_10796317_11788946.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-3-foto_4219952_10796317_11788943.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/daewoo-chevrolet/116864_66_preview.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/daewoo-chevrolet/116861_66_preview.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/daewoo-chevrolet/116860_66_preview.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/daewoo-chevrolet/116863_66_preview.jpg

Source: www.cardesignnews.com

2008 BS4 with minor modifications including new steering wheel as seen on BS4 Station Wagon:
http://news.cheshi.com/gcxc/200805/64797.shtml

i just hope brillance will bring their cars to the philippines

Is there anyone here that have a clue how much i would have to pay for a JunJie in Shanghai?
or have a list of prices, of the different models. 2.0, 1.8 etc. ?
Very good looking car, i wonder how it would be to modify these ones.

http://data.auto.sina.com.cn/car/subbrand.php?subid=380

1.8MT (luxury version) costs around RMB10.58 (offical price). There must be a good discount from dealers as this car has been sold for long time.

1.8T version is also available.

For me this BS4 looks very luxury and I think that If company start selling this in Europe people would buy it if price be normal.

Brilliance Auto to sell Zunchi hybrid this year

June 5, 2008 - Joining a number of car manufacturers that have announced their plans to develop environment friendly cars, China's Brilliance Auto said that its would be producing and selling hybrid cars within the next three years.

"Our first mild hybrid car - Zunchi hybrid will go on sale right this year, with a strong hybrid and a plug-in hybrid models coming along in the following two years," said Qi Yumin, the board chairman of Brilliance Auto.

Zunchi hybrid is injected with Brilliance's own developed 1.8 T engine and electronic devices. The car is expected to cut fuel consumption by 35%.

Other Chinese brand hybrids, such as Chang'an Jiexun-HEV and Chery A5 hybrid, are also set to go on sale this year. A FAW's Besturn hybrid is to be launched in 2009.

From:Gasgoo.com

2008 Brilliance BS4 1.8MT

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12759433.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12759440.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12759437.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12759430.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12759427.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12759424.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12759421.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12759418.jpg

Brilliance Junjie cars okayed for export to Germany

By George Gao From:Gasgoo.comJuly 17, 2008

Shanghai, July 17 (Gasgoo.com) Brilliance China Automotive Holdings Ltd said yesterday that 270 three-star Zhonghua Junjie cars are heading for Germany as the first batch of this Chinese carmaker's own-brand sedans for export to Europe, reported Shanghai Securities News today. These cars have been checked and permitted by German HSO Auto Trading staffers for export to the European country.

The big export ordering from Germany for Brilliance Auto's Junje cars indicates that the Chinese carmaker's products can meet all the strict standards in the German market, and set a benchmark for China's self-developed vehicles to follow the global quality requirements.

Brilliance aims to sell 30,000 units in overseas markets in 2008, double in 2009, and even more in 2010, said its chairman Qi Yumin. Notably, the company's complete vehicle export surged 79% year on year to 15,500 units in 2007.

At the 78th Geneva Motor Show last month, Brilliance China showed three car models, including Zhonghua Galena 2.0 luxury, Zhonghua Splendor 1.8T AT top-class and Zhonghua Coupe 1.8T MT, as part of its efforts to make inroads into the European continent.

http://www.gasgoo.com/auto-news/7101/Brilliance-Junjie-cars-okayed-for-export-to-Germany.html

2008 BS4 1.6 MT:
http://www.autohome.com.cn/advice/200807/42546.html


http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12901846.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12901843.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12901839.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-4-foto_4219952_11803055_12901836.jpg

BS4 station wagon:
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5226c3730100auyi.html

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-5-foto_4219952_13082292_13097647.jpg

Limited edition 1.8T Sports Brilliance BS4 to hit market in Beijing only.

September 24, 2008 - Brilliance are set to produce a sports version of their flagship 1.8T 6speed manual BS4 model, and then only release it in the Beijing market for now, although it is expected to trickle down to the provinces sooner or later.

The BS4 sports model is priced from 120,888rmb to 130,888rmb, the 1.8T engine is coupled to the 6 speed manual gearbox which was taken from the Brilliance Coupe, in addition to this, the BS4 gets free servicing within 3 year or 100,000km.

source: China Car Times

BS4 MY2009 live @ Mondial de l'Automobile Paris:

http://www.omniauto.it/awpImages/photogallery/2008/8064/photos/brilliance-al-salone-di-parigi-2008_24.jpg

http://www.omniauto.it/awpImages/photogallery/2008/8064/photos/brilliance-al-salone-di-parigi-2008_25.jpg

http://www.omniauto.it/awpImages/photogallery/2008/8064/photos/brilliance-al-salone-di-parigi-2008_30.jpg

http://www.omniauto.it/awpImages/photogallery/2008/8064/photos/brilliance-al-salone-di-parigi-2008_28.jpg

Source: http://www.omniauto.it/foto/8064/brilliance-al-salone-di-parigi-2008

http://auto-presse.de/newssys/galerie/31446/31446_2.jpg

http://auto-presse.de/newssys/galerie/31446/31446_4.jpg

http://auto-presse.de/newssys/galerie/31446/31446_3.jpg

http://auto-presse.de/newssys/galerie/31446/31446_5.jpg

Test drive: http://auto-presse.de/fahrberichte.php?action=view&newsid=31446

Prices of BS4 in Germany:
* 1.6i 16v Comfort 15.990 €
* 1.8i 16v Comfort 17.550 €
* 1.8i 16v DeLuxe 19.550 €

http://es.autoblog.com/2008/10/15/alemania-ya-a-la-venta-el-brilliance-bs4/

And another review, this time by Auto News:
http://www.auto-news.de/auto/tests/anzeige_Brilliance-BS4-im-Test-Neue-Mittelklasse-Limousine-aus-China_id_22776

Final verdict: 3/5

First spy shot of the production model from the Brilliance BS4/Zhonghua Junjie Wagon:
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-37-foto_4219952_17420218_18396013.jpg
http://photocdn.sohu.com/20081029/Img260303260.jpg

Source: http://auto.sohu.com/20081029/n260302068.shtml

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4813/junjiewagon1fv4.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1415/junjiewagon2vp5.jpg

It's a great lookin' car. Very stylish.

BS4 Wagon:
http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/200811/49525.html

Brilliance BS4 Wagon 1.8

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/hNTI1rQgn26668.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/F1y2sEEDgg6252.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/PWmfyT4zl18623.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/2W83B7vNF86362.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/6WbrH3zACZ4465.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/Rgd2bp0E7O1192.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/QBxNgMzUl42151.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/DhV8f63Zmb0645.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/V4jrB3tTu65654.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/pyw28bMyf51424.jpg

http://pic.xcar.com.cn/img/news/XTr8W9c7u16262.jpg

Source: http://info.xcar.com.cn/200811/14/1016/news_41249_3.php

More pics:

http://file1.che168.com/Upload/photo/small/20081116/600_819741001226803826.jpg

http://file0.che168.com/20081116/12268132108960.jpg

http://file1.che168.com/Upload/photo/small/20081116/600_213884001226803948.jpg

http://file0.che168.com/20081116/12268185952852.jpg

Source: http://www.che168.com/article/html/200811/20081117/20081117_224849_1.html

Brilliance BS4 Wagon live @ Guangzhou Motor Show 2008:

http://www.blogcdn.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/img_6245.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/img_6255.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/img_6254.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/img_6250.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/img_6249.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/img_6248.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/img_6247.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/cn.autoblog.com/media/2008/11/img_6246.jpg

Source: http://cn.autoblog.com/2008/11/18/2008-guangzhou-zhonghua-wagon
19 pics: http://picture.auto.sohu.com/@category_c67823_p1.html

why does it looks like all the doors are not properly shut? and the car needs bigger rims

Good eye Wxw30. At first glance it looks like the door edges are protected with black ding-guard molding. But rather they are, all four, not closed. Maybe they require a double slam......clearly not a good sign.

Also the rear suspension sits too low with no payload present. When a payload of a few bags of cement mix are loaded, the appearance of the car will really suffer. Most other maker's wagons have enough rake to overcome this problem.

Brilliance to roll out 2009 Junjie sedan soon

November 26, 2008
Shanghai, November 26 (Gasgoo.com) Brilliance Auto has decided to release its 2009 Zhonghua Junjie model in late January next year, about six months after its launch of the 2008 Zhonghua Junjie, and will set the new model's prices between 95,000 yuan ($13,900) and 159,000 yuan, said xinhuanet.com today.

Sources said that the 2009 Junjie model has much in common with the 2008 Junjie model, and the two medium-grade compact sedans have the same power-train and design style. However, some configurations and functions have been upgraded for the slight revamped model. The detailed configurations will not be announced until late January when the 2009 model is launched.

Brilliance Auto, BMW's Chinese partner, has developed its own-brand Zhonghua Junjie as a classic family sedan model. The car's design by an Italian firm has featured some BMW elements, highlighted by a seamless fusion of European car-making philosophy and classic Chinese aesthetics.

The 2008 Junjie model was released to the market in July this year, and only six months later, the 2009 Junjie will go on sale in late January next year. The coming Junjie model will sell for 95,000 yuan to 159,000 yuan for different editions. However, the similarly priced 2008 model is now on special offer, with a discount of about 10,000 yuan.

Brilliance Auto is also restarting its plan to export Zhonghua Junjie sedan to Germany, and have a presence in the European market by 2009. The car is to be displayed and sold for 15,990 euros at 124 auto exhibition halls in the country as planned, German media reported earlier this month.

http://www.gasgoo.com/auto-news/1008520/Brilliance-to-roll-out-2009-Junjie-sedan-soon.html

Actaully,I like Junjie because it has excellent underpan and appending systems, then is excellent safe operating again.
beautiful out looks also one aspect.
of course price is first.

how about your idea if compare to some other car? such as Japanese car...

BS4 wagon:
http://news.cheshi.com/gcxc/200812/86072.shtml

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-6-foto_4219952_14299293_14497131.jpg
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Brilliance Wagon to launch on December 28th.

The Brilliance Wagon, quite possibly the nicest Wagon (Estate) ever made in China is to be launched on the 28th December this year.

The Brilliance Wagon concept was unveiled at the Shanghai show earlier this year, and impressed the crowds with its elongated and rounded rear end, it also impressed many people on China Car Times when we posted pictures of it. For some, it was just too much, the amount of emails, or phone calls we’ve had regarding the Wagon were amazing, but now we can safely say you should be able to buy one early next year.

The Wagon looks to be another winner for Brilliance, their FRV has been selling fantastically since its launch. The BS4 sedan (on which the wagon is based) also sells extremely well, the only car that Brilliance cant seem to sell in large numbers is their Coupe, but then Coupes only attract a small number of people anyway.

Previously the Wagon/Estate market segment was largely controlled by Buick with their Buick Excelle Estate in the low end of the market, and the Mazda6 Wagon in the higher end of the market. With the Excelle Estate rapidly aging (although possibly heading to be replaced by the Opel Astra Estate in 09) the Brilliance Wagon may find itself with a monopoly on the cheap Wagon market.

Pricing for the Wagon will be announced at the formal launch ceremony in Brilliance’ home city of Shengyang on the 28th December.

December 25th, 2008, China Car Times

Chinese automaker Brilliance Auto, a Chinese partner of BMW, will launch to the market its self-developed Zhonghua Junjie wagon sedan model in January 2009, and will price the new model between 95,000 yuan ($13,900) and 159,000 yuan, said xinhuanet.com yesterday.

Insiders said the 2009 Junjie wagon has much in common with the 2008 Junjie model. The two medium-grade compact sedans share the Zhonghua Junjie platform and have the same power-train. Powering the current Zhonghua Junjie sedan is a choice of three four-cylinder engines below 2.0 liters, one of which is a diesel.

However, some configurations and functions have been upgraded for the revamped model. As a wagon version from the two-year-old Pininfarina-designed Zhonghua Junjie model, the Junjie wagon appears to be an Audi A4 Avant wagon body wrapped around a Hyundai Sonata interior. The grille is typical Chinese-busy but not hideous.

Wagon sedans are hot sellers in the European and Japanese markets. The wagon sales have reached 40% market share of medium- to high-grade sedans in Europe and have become a mainstream vehicle model. Currently in the Chinese market there are Buick Excelle and Mazda's wagon sedans.

Brilliance Auto, BMW's Chinese partner, has developed its own-brand Zhonghua Junjie as a classic family sedan model. The car's design by Italian firm Pininfarina has featured some BMW elements, highlighted by a seamless fusion of European car-making philosophy and classic Chinese aesthetics.

The 2008 Junjie model was released to the market in July this year, and only six months later, the 2009 Junjie wagon will go on sale in the coming January 2009. The Junjie sedans will be exported to Germany and then other parts of the European market next year.

In addition, Brilliance Auto has also got everything ready to launch a Junjie Cross model to the Chinese market in early 2009.

From:Gasgoo.com

BS4 Wagon was launched today. Prices start at 108.800 RMB:
http://auto.sina.com.cn/z/zhjjsrvss/index.shtml


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For me, the BS4 Wagon, in the rear, it has a touch of VW, hehe, no?

I'm not agree. I think BS4 Estate (the wagon) is really a nice car. I hope Fattori e Montani import as soon as possible this car.

My Daewoo Nubira SW is quite old (nine years old) and i need to change it quickly... :-)

By the way this is my first post, i'm Italian and i'm very interessed into chinese cars.

I have also a RV (Recreational Vehicle) on Fiat Ducato. Have you info about Chinese RV?

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Welcome to the forum nubironaSW.
I hope you'll find many interesting news about Chinese cars here.

I'm not agree. I think BS4 Estate (the wagon) is really a nice car. I hope Fattori e Montani import as soon as possible this car.

My Daewoo Nubira SW is quite old (nine years old) and i need to change it quickly... :-)

By the way this is my first post, i'm Italian and i'm very interessed into chinese cars.

I have also a RV (Recreational Vehicle) on Fiat Ducato. Have you info about Chinese RV?

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welcome :)

I always thought Italians hate GWM and Chinese cars lol

Hi guys!
Thanks for the wellcome!

mememe, i'm very proud of my Daewoo Nubira SW. It has too soft shock absorber but i'm not Shumacker so it is not a great trouble. But nine years and 150.000 km are a lot and if it is possible to buy a new car (good car of course) not so expensive as german or european cars...
My personal goal is Alfa 159 SW but it is TOO far from my budget...

And yes, there are a lot of italians who don't like chinese cars but the same was for korean 10 years ago, now there are more hyundai Santa Fe than Fiat sedici...
But a recent pool says italian are very interested into low cost car...

"Secondo una ricerca commissionata alla Gpf (istituto di ricerca e consulenza strategica) dalla Dacia, gli italiani stanno reagendo alla crisi economica cambiando modelli di consumo e adottando comportamenti ispirati a criteri come il senso di responsabilità, la frugalità consapevole e la voglia di innovazione, mentre diminuisce sensibilmente il desiderio di esibizione sociale.

L'indagine ha fotografato una società in forte trasformazione, all'interno della quale sta aumentando, dopo anni di sostanziale immobilismo, la componente più aperta al cambiamento. La direzione presa è quella di nuovi stili di vita e consumo, con una particolare attenzione per il low cost. Il calo della "seduzione degli status symbol" è bilanciato da un desiderio crescente di approfondimento, conoscenza e arricchimento personale.

Sempre secondo Gpf, i segnali di questa nuova tendenza risalgono già a prima della crisi: in luglio, per esempio, il 68,2% degli italiani dichiarava (nel corso di un'altra indagine) che si sarebbe orientato verso marche e prodotti meno costosi. Dal 2006 a oggi, inoltre, è cresciuto dal 44 al 48% il numero degli italiani che non è interessato a "guadagnare di più per poter spendere di più", e tutti, o quasi, praticano modalità di consumo low cost, vivendolo come risparmio subìto, ma anche come strategia di affermaziona ideologica e di differenziazione dagli stereotipi (soprattutto per i giovani).

In questo contesto non sorprende che gli italiani siano aperti all'idea di acquistare anche un'auto low cost: il 65,1% degli interpellati dichiara una propensione generica per un'auto "no frills", nonostante il 62,8% sia convinto che è essenziale che l'auto "faccia fare anche una bella figura". Gpf conclude la ricerca sottolineando che, in un clima in cui l'austerità volontaria sta diventando sempre più "trendy", l'auto low cost si configura non più come un ripiego, ma come una scelta furba, intelligente, capace di differenziare chi la fa e di far emergere la sua identità personale."

sorry, it is in italian
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welcome :)

I always thought Italians hate GWM and Chinese cars lol

Only some doubt on GWM. :D Of course, with the Peri they have copy italian Fiat Panda, like the german's Bmw X5 with Ceo. Their mistakes are in doing the cars too similar. I think they can do it better... ;) :p

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BS4 Wagon 1.8T

It has something like Mercedes C-class wagon on the back, really nice car! I'm dreaming on...

hi Nubirona, i'm italian too...i live near udine and i'm a fan of Chinese Cars...i've just booked a GWM Hover...probebly next week i will drive it

Anyway BS4 is very beautiful...there is no other wagon beautiful as this one...does anybody know something about Brilliance commercialization in italy?

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i just drive this car couple of days ago, they still don't have homologation, it will be done in may when is a plan for them to enter all other european market

i have drive a model 1.6 with mitsubishi engine, have 74 kw, goes quite good, i am glad that germans made a lot of improvments on the vehicle when i comapre with chinese version which i also drive, driving skills and comfor of the car is on the high level, even the quality of interior is very good, i am sure that brilliance will succes with this vehicle

fantastic comments~
i like this car and will buyone

hi Nubirona, i'm italian too...i live near udine and i'm a fan of Chinese Cars...i've just booked a GWM Hover...probebly next week i will drive it

Anyway BS4 is very beautiful...there is no other wagon beautiful as this one...does anybody know something about Brilliance commercialization in italy?

Hi Enrico, Fattori e Montani (roma) is the italian importer, you can visit their web site at this link (http://www.brilliance-auto.it). This is the only original SW car in China. No other like this in China and all around the world...

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Brilliance will bring BS4 wagon to Europe:
http://www.auto-news.de/auto/news/anzeige_Preiswerter-China-Kombi-Brilliance-bringt-den-BS4-Wagon-nach-Europa_id_23988

Different countries, different habits: While in China, the step-back is extremely popular, both the German car buyers like the wagon. The Brilliance has now also recognized, and plans, in the summer of 2009 the BS4 Wagon to bring to Europe.

Italian Flair
After a first series near prototype already almost a year in Beijing was shown, were visitors of the Geneva Motor Show in early March 2009 the final version admire. The pleasing design of the BS4 wagon was developed in close cooperation with Pininfarina develops. From the B-pillar differentiates the sidelines of the suits are already available on the sedan. The rear side doors are not identical with that of the notchback version, the roof shape is slightly sloping. In the total length exceeds the wagon with the 4.70-meter sedan by six centimeters.

Plenty of space
The size increase is to hold benefit. The vehicle has split rear seats, folding under the maximum loading length of 1.70 meters allow. A fixed roof installed on the rails allows mounting a roof rack system. Motorenseitig should be familiar with the Otto-stay units: a 1.6-liter with 100 hp and 143 hp strong 1.8 liters. Already by the BS4 sedan is the extensive standard equipment known to inter alia, electric windows and air conditioning are. Is priced with an additional charge for combined maximum of 2,000 euros is expected. This would be the base version at 17,990 euros to start.

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BS4 was crashed by Germany's automobile club ADAC and recevied zero stars for safety of the its driver and passengers.
http://www.auto-news.de/auto/news/anzeige_Null-Sterne-Der-Brilliance-BS4-versagt-im-ADAC-Crashtest_id_24030

Zero stars: The Brilliance BS4 Crash Test failed in the crashtest
According to ADAC, the Chinese Compact on the level of ten years ago.

The floor panel of the passenger in frontal crash pulls on the dashboard to make their way into the interior. Sharp-edged metal parts underneath the dashboard are not covered and threatening knee and thigh of the driver. Moreover, clutch and brake pedal on skewers. The current ADAC crash test of the Brilliance BS4 go for the Chinese all stars from compact. The car failed on a variety of ways.

Driver-side airbag with no sense
The steering wheel of the BS4 is also dangerous: Because of the airbags is not optimally positioned, the chest of the driver at risk. In addition, the air bag is in itself a faulty: The driver head durchschlägt save the pillows and rebounds on the steering wheel. At the crash site looks a little better: The stable Türsäule prevents penetration of the Stoßbarriere, the generously dimensioned side airbag protects the head and ribs. However, there is for the stomach area in turn, have an increased risk of injury.

Technical status of the 90
The passenger cell of the BS4 collapsed in frontal impact at 64 km / h. According to ADAC car which corresponds to the technical state of the late 90s - with the new Euro-standard is for a zero-star rating good. The main reason: The new test methods will also be assistance systems in the overall standings, are also included, so that ESP is a necessity. ESP or other active safety warning with missing completely at Brilliance, which said the negative record of zero stars the result. Under the old procedure would have been loud BS4 ADAC still get three stars and would thus have been better than its bigger brother BS6, who with only one star and failed miserably.

Profound changes
According to ADAC, the passenger cell of the BS4 further stabilized, the main weaknesses lie in the range of the threshold, the A-pillar and the ground sheet. Moreover, the knee impact area and defused the pedal apparatus must not risk themselves. Notes on the ADAC Parental misses as well as functional straps on the back. And as particularly important to stress the testers an introduction of the ESP.

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'Under the old procedure would have been loud BS4 ADAC still get three stars'

That is quite OK though. And I don't trust any ADAC-ANWB test: the most ANWB tests are obviously sponsored by Volkswagen. So I wouldn't be surprised if this test were also sponsored by a German car manufacturer.

so was the BS6 tested under new procedures or old procedures ? and when did the new procedure go into effects ?|

BS6 was tested under old Euro NCAP guidelines.
Newer Euro NCAP guidelines that take into account the availability of electronic stability control as standard equipment and potential damage to pedestrians went into effects in February this year.

http://www.euroncap.com/Content-Web-Article/a9c0de14-ed3f-41cf-a5ed-c2dd83f10a5f/new-rating-to-play-starring-role-in-improving-car.aspx

thanks martin , hmm.... I find it extremely fishy as to why they have to test it after Feb and not before Feb ? Why right after the new standards . Interesting.

You are right Mememe. Two of the organisations who did the test disagree about the results: ADAC publications talk about zero star, ANWB publications talk about three stars. In agree with ANWB when they keep to the old system.
The car was put into the market last year (November?), the new test procedures are from February and this car is the first which they tested according the new procedures. Coincidence, not?

ye i think the car was released in july 2008, so it is very ridiculous for them to use Feb 2009 guidelines to test the car. Is there any ulterior motive behind this ? the 2007 test of BS6 was already suspicious enough to a few but most agreed that Brilliance needs to learn more but now with this obvious setup, I don't know what people will think about ADAC. ADAC must have known that the car does not have ESP, speed limiter and seat belt warner and they just wanted to test the car to ridicule it.

But it is interesting that this car achieved 3 stars under old guidelines of Euro Ncap with 64 kmph then how many stars will it score in the US Ncap (NHTSA) of 56 kmph.

I am very curious to see how Chery A3 can fare in the new Euro Ncap since it is equipped with ESP and got 5 stars in Cncap but nvm I know ADAC will probably make up another excuse just to ruin the score.

According to ADAC themselves, the BS4 would have obtained 3 stars front impact rating, and 4 stars side impact rating. With a SBR (seat belt reminder) it would have scored just enough points to get 4 stars front+side.

Nach dem „alten“ Bewertungsschema schaffte der BS 6 im Jahr 2007 gerade Mal einen Stern. Der BS 4 hätte nach diesem Verfahren immerhin drei erreicht. Doch die Entwicklung insbesondere bei der passiven Sicherheit ist in zwei Jahren vorangeschritten. Und an diesem höheren Standard muss sich jetzt auch der BS 4 messen lassen und das heißt: Null Sterne. Denn durch das Fehlende ESP verliert der BS4 seine theoretischen drei Sterne wieder und bleibt sternenlos in der Crashanlage zurück. Und das zu recht: Ein Auto ohne ESP passt nicht in die heutige Zeit.
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Translation:

"By the old standards, the BS 6 tested in 2007 earned one single star. The BS 4 would have achieved at least three stars by those standards. But the development of passive safety technology in the past 2 years has advanced. And it is against these higher standards that the BS 4 has now to be measured, and the rating is: Zero Stars. Because of the lack of ESP, the BS4 loses its theoretical three stars again and stands starless in the crash test site. And rightly so: a car without ESP is not acceptable by today's standards."

So basically, they dismissed the whole car because it has no ESP. This is just ridiculous; and no grounds for zero star rating. According to EuroNCAP itself, ESP testing is still in its infancy as there are no ways to replicate the results reliably. Hence, ESP is worth 3 points out of a total of some 129 points. There is no way a car originally rated in the high 3 could be lowered to zero stars on the basis of no ESP alone.

The Citroen C3 Picasso was tested using the 2009 Euro NCAP standards, and in spite of 4 star adult protection, 3 star child safety and 2 star pedestrian safety, it still got 4 stars overall. Even after losing the 3 points because of the lack of ESP. That was an official EuroNCAP result by the way.

ADAC has tested 3 Chinese cars so far; none of them are official Euro NCAP results and none of them have a relevant sales figure to warrant testing. I seriously believe they are serving an agenda to keep Chinese cars out of Europe with all the bad publicity. What a shame. :mad:

^^ I am really really dismayed by this, I do share the same sentiment that the excuse to slash 3 stars off for just the lack of some equipments which 3 months did not even matter, so what if Brilliance does really go back and install all devices on BS4, what will ADAC do this time ? re-test the car or just stick to the 0 star ? or introduce new procedures ?

see if an european organisation like this has some agenda up their sleeves like this then i cannot imagine what kind of plans some european countries have for China.

In an initial statement, Focus-online has summed up this matter as follows: "The zero-star rating leads clueless buyers to believe that the BS4 is a totally unsafe car — which it is quite definitely not. Its crash test results may not be brilliant, but they are sound

ah ADAC.

Call it useless or whatever, but I am pissed at this:

http://www.i3china.net/bs4

ye your writeup is very comprehensible, it hit everything right on spot.

Well said! Thank you!
http://www.i3china.net/bs4

oh how i wish someone can just publish this and let everyone know the true face of ADAC.

i think that this is another try of adac to stop chinese vehicles coming at the market, i think that brilliance shoud take a law suit aginst them, simply now they start to making new rules for testing....but is those new rules are valid for brilliance, isn't also valid for all other cars??? why they don't make simulations for other brands also? i think that german importer also must did a pressure to adac to get appologise from them

adac already have one fiasko with dacia, they turn down the car and after that they publish that tires aren't on right pressure and admit that they do this, by my opinion the people in adac shoudn't be such idiots! and I really don't know what is problem there and why they don't like chinese cars, i really don't that chinese cars can have a big impact on german market

here is another thing:
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if we look at the photo we can see results from that test, green and yellow color means low chance to be hurt, orange is medium, so if we look all only problem is feets, and nothing more, all other look quite good to me,i don't think that ESP is such big problem, over 60% of new cars don't have ESP, so they are unsafe too???? and one more thing, here is result from russia and china:
http://www.irito.ru/pressa/article/227/
- russia
http://www.c-ncap.org/content/pzjg/Blcyc/junjie.htm
- china

so billion of russians and chinese are dumb??? and couple of germans at adac are experts??? let we collect all the results from all test and make final conslusion, i had an expirince with this car...and by opinion car is 100% safe!

I have more...this suspension at BS4 it's made by PORSCHE, so what ADAC don't sent a letter to porsche and write, listen you, car don't have ESP and because of that isn't safe??? hahaha, they don't have guts to do it!!!

There should definitely be a lawsuit. Otherwise ADAC will keep thinking that Brilliance is a pushover and will continue to do this to Brilliance.

100% I agree with you, this time Brilliance simply must react, I am also wondering how the importer didn't react, if I was importer I will go there personaly and explain some issue to them!

my friend after seeing this asked her german friend (who works for a german media group) about adac and this type of behaviour, and this is what her friend told her.

"Germany's pillar industries are in that order: Automobile, tool machinery and chemistry. Any additional player on the field is perceived as a threat to their livelihood. The ADAC is sponsored by the German car industry and at the same time a lobbying group of the German car industry manipulating the politics, so what result can you expect? As long as Chinese car industry has no lobbying group (aka money) in that organisation, Chinese companies cannot expect any better results."

i know that for long time, this is simply not nothing new, it's really poor that those institution like adac have such impact on all european press and most sad is that all of those presse belive them, but anyway, i know that bs4 is really good car, no matter what they will say :thumb: , i just hope that brilliance will start a law suit aginst them

The biggest German Driver and Car Club ADAC recently tested the BS4.
The result: 0 Stars. ADAC's verdict: The car is on the technical standard from 10 years ago.

Front Crash 64km/h: The cabin was on the verge of collapsing, the floor board ripped open and the airbag couldn't stop the head of the driver, causing the head of the dummy to smash into the steering wheel. Also the Clutch and Gas pedals moving spear like into the foot area of the driver.

It would have been given 3 Stars according to the old E-NCAP standards, but the new standards give more weight to passive safety measures like ESP, automatic seatbelt tightening etc, which the BS4 doesn't have.

This has been posted here before.
Check the topic on the BS4/Junjie

And here is my take on this:
http://www.i3china.net/bs4

The biggest German Driver and Car Club ADAC recently tested the BS4.
The result: 0 Stars. ADAC's verdict: The car is on the technical standard from 10 years ago.

Front Crash 64km/h: The cabin was on the verge of collapsing, the floor board ripped open and the airbag couldn't stop the head of the driver, causing the head of the dummy to smash into the steering wheel. Also the Clutch and Gas pedals moving spear like into the foot area of the driver.

It would have been given 3 Stars according to the old E-NCAP standards, but the new standards give more weight to passive safety measures like ESP, automatic seatbelt tightening etc, which the BS4 doesn't have.

please start to read forum before you write something stupid like this and open new thread for it

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More Mercedes-Benz style(s)... :D

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Brilliance BS4 is actually a very nice car and great cuality.El BS4 was unfair criticism in Europe by Euro NCAP Test. Press was unfair.

What if the BS4 is sold in Germany? Know prices in Germany? greetings to all!

this is very good car, in germany they sell it for 15 to 20000 euros, you can see plenty of cars on autoscout.de, usually media write very bad about china cars quality but this car is very good, i drive it plenty of time

How does autoscout.de write about Brilliance ?

autoscout.de is just an online car market. They do not test cars. They just take test from other sources an put 'em on their site.

The BS4 is really treated unfair by the german press and the ADAC IS a lobbyist. Even as a German i have to say that i am ashamed of this ''institutions''.

German companies are just afraid that this ''new power that is risen in the east'' could be too dangerous to them. ;) Just like the japanese or korean before.

And such lobbyists like Autobild oder the ADAC are doing their part to harm the chinese and ruin their image.

Comparison test of newest generation of VW Golf and Brilliance BS4 at Auto Motor und Sport:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vergleichstest/vw-golf-und-brilliance-bs4-volkswagen-1225286.html

Clear winner was of course Golf which received 477 points out of possible 650. BS4 got only 340 points.

There is unfair again because that VW Golf is not a sedan but that Brilliance is sedan. :D

2010 BS4:
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http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164427.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/6590/u_6590882627725.jpg
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http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/6590/u_6590716557558.jpg

It seems interior remained untouched.


http://car.autohome.com.cn/pic/series/411.htm

Seems the outside remains untouched as well. Has Brilliance actually given the Junjie a facelift?

I just sold my JunJie 1.8 MT after 3yrs and 50.000 km in Beijing.

Its cheap and surprisingly fuel efficient (less than 8 l/100km), but thats all the positive I can say about it.

100kW, or 136 hp, is what they stated but it feels more like 100 bullheaded donkeys and the acc from 0-100 is measured in how many cigarettes you can smoke :lol:

Dozens of small repairs and a bunch of bigger ones, one every 1000km on average, finally made me decide to give it away and declare my "why not drive a Chinese car project" failed.
I am now driving 800 - 1000 kms every week and that would have led me to the garage way too often.

I really like the car. I`m thinking about buying one here in germany. If you do a little research on the internet it`s surprisingly cheap. 10000€-15000 € for 1.8 Deluxe version. But if its true that you have too many repairs then i don`t know if its worth.
I drive about 15000 KM a year. That is not that much. But i need a solid car. I have no time to drive to the service every two weeks.
@chinabiker
Can you discribe what kind of repairs do you have. I would really appreciate it. It would be very helpful.

The Brilliance Junjie/BS4 will receive a facelift in 2010:

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18210387.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18210385.jpg

http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/1/27/27-8-46-38-699670919.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/1/27/27-8-42-54-163153506.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/1/27/27-8-42-53-807650452.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/1/27/27-8-42-53-413979000.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18210386.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18210388.jpg

http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/1/27/27-8-46-38-950496412.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/1/27/27-8-42-55-413979000.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/1/27/27-8-42-54-128287081.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/1/27/27-8-42-54-267831067.jpg


Source: http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201001/92378.html

Quite a change....
In the side view I see shades of the old Lexus GS300 albeit with a shorter tail end.

BS4 SW Cross?:
http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201002/93489.html

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164437.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/2/2/2-9-3-2-985441121.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164441.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/2/2/2-9-3-3-772784027.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164439.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/2/2/2-9-3-3-629938067.jpg

Old design inside:
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164438.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/2010/2/2/2-9-3-3-580901260.jpg

Man, that pup is lookin' rather stealthy these days!

The door handles doesn´t match, The sedan has the old ones, in 2009 it has a facelift wich include the handles that we can see in the cross and the interior that we see.

May be they´re muling with the old doors.

facelifted BS4 revealed:
http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201003/97374.html

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18210389.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18210390.jpg

.....100kW, or 136 hp, is what they stated but it feels more like 100 bullheaded donkeys and the acc from 0-100 is measured in how many cigarettes you can smoke :lol:......

Chinabiker do you mean it didn't feel like a chassis tuned by Porsche, as we had been told?

BMW helped Brilliance with the body, and we know where that went.
And Porsche was said to have helped with the chassis.

Maybe Brilliance needs to look elsewhere for help.

I drove the car last friday. I must say i was surprised in a positiv way.After what i had red in the german press. I drove the 1.8l with 136 hp. The engine isn`t that noisy and it has enough power to make fun to drive. The suspension is ok. It gives a good feedback from the road. For some people it could be a little too hard, but i prefer it that way. The interieur does not look cheap and nothing make noise anyhow. And the roads are in very bad condition after the winter.
In the end i have to say that this car is much better as i expected. I think Brilliance is treated unfair in germany. For that money (10.-15.000€)it`s a very good car.
@chinabiker. I think you had an early model of the bs4 and the quality of the repair-shops in china aren`t that great. But thank you for your report. It was a great help.

Facelifted BS4 at Beijing:
http://car.autohome.com.cn/showcar/exps15/411.html

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-14-foto_4219952_17393070_17964051.jpg
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http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164463.jpg
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http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/1/767499.html
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http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/1/767494.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/1/767495.html

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-19-foto_4219952_17405730_18164459.jpg
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http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/10/767382.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/10/767380.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/10/767362.html

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18210391.jpg
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http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/3/767412.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/3/767414.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/3/767413.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/12/822462.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/12/822463.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/7595/12/822439.html


more:
http://car.autohome.com.cn/pic/series/411.htm
http://car.autohome.com.cn/pic/series-s7595/411.htm

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-32-foto_4219952_17409091_18232303.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-32-foto_4219952_17409091_18232304.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-32-foto_4219952_17409091_18232299.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-32-foto_4219952_17409091_18232302.jpg

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http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-32-foto_4219952_17409091_18232295.jpg

source:
http://car.autohome.com.cn/pic/series-s8574/411.htm
http://car.autohome.com.cn/pic/series/411.htm