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nzsaab

05-13-2009, 03:31 AM

Well firstly Saab has made a profit at least once under GM ownership, but everyone knows why Saab has not made profits every year is simply because of a lack of funding. GM has canceled many very promising concepts and designs. When the revised 9-3 was launched in 2003 there was a Sedan, Convertible, Wagon, XWD Wagon and a Coupe in the pipeline, the xwd Wagon and the coupe were not far from getting the approval before GM sai NO. So thus the Sedan, Convertible and eventually the Wagon were introduced progressively between 2003 and 2006. Later this 2009 the XWD Wagon named 9-3x will finally be up for sale, this has taken far to long to come to market considering it was thought up in 2003.

Another mistake GM has made with Saab in terms of underfunding and poor management is the 9-5 model, this car was due in Saab's eyes to be revised from the ground up in 2006, however GM said NO and instead Saab's design team were put hard at work trying to make the existing 9-5 look brand new, in my opinion they did an incredible job considering their budget and time.

I forgot to mention yet another hiccup with GM's underfunding and poor management of Saab and that is the 9-2x. These cars were disasters from the start. The 9-2x came first in 2005, basically GM wanted Saab to get another model to market as quick as quick can be so they used Subaru's WRX Imprezza as its base. The 9-2x received very little exterior changes, the front received a cool new look however the back was pretty much untouched. The interior was also mostly untouched by Saab, however they did change the writing on the digital displays to Green on Black to give it a more 9-3 feel. The real changes from the WRX to the 9-2x are under the skin, Saab changed alot when it comes to road performance, they tuned the suspension to make it handle better on the road and more minor things like that. The car was aimed at the young businessman and at the American market only. There were only around 10,000 built so they are pretty rare. There was talk of bringing the model to Australia but Subaru admitted that the 9-2x would destroy the WRX!

Now to a more successful story about GM's money management, the 9-7x which came out in very late 2005, this car is designed of the GM 360 platform which is shared by the Chevy Trialblazer and the Oldsmobile Bravada! Saab really tried hard on this car. They moved the ignition to the centre to be like a true Saab as with the 9-2x they didnt bother. They used the 9-5's cup holder design and also the 9-5's distinctive wood grain in the dash board. The front of the 9-7x is very sporty and looks like a true Saab, as with the 9-2x Saab's designers didnt do allot to the rear, it looks identical to the Oldsmobile Bravada! The 9-7x is still on the market today and while it technically isn’t a Saab I think it looks pretty cool and it is currently Saab's second best selling car in the states behind the 9-3! I could chat all day about the 9-7x and the 9-2x so Ill leave it there but if you have any questions Id like to hear from you.

If you think Saab's 9-7x is badge engineered with other GM cars, then think, what is Acura to Honda, what is Lexus to Toyota? Lexus and Toyota have done 'badge engineering' on plenty of occasions and nobody has said anything but when a poor old car company that tries its hardest under tough conditions every one cries fowl!

nzsaab

05-13-2009, 03:36 AM

That might not be the case, Mehmet. Saab looks as though it might be pruchased by an Arab sheikh, not a Chinese auto manufacturer.
Well it seems that the Arab guy has fallen silent and all eyes are upon a few inetersted parties. There was a tour of the Saab facilities in Sweden recently for the potential buyers. It has been confirmed that Geely are very interested however they have not yet submitted a bid. Fiat are also interested however they have said there only intention is to buy Saab, close down Saab and use its dealer network to sell Fiats in America. I think that sucks and all the executives at Fiat should be lined up and shot next to the GM executives! There are also many interested private American investors who wouldnt mind splashing out a bit to save peoples jobs and bring the fire back into the belly of the angry Griffen.

nzsaab

05-13-2009, 03:44 AM

These photos of the 9-5 posted by KiwiGuy WERE NOT RELEASED BY SAAB! They were made by an enthusiast on photoshop. Saab have not released anything on the 9-5 however they are releasing many things by the day about the new 9-4x model. There is now a list of engines to be availible for the 9-4x out on the net.

KiwiGuy

05-13-2009, 11:43 PM

Thank you for your, uh, interesting opinon nzsaab. however, there are a few things that needed to be sorted out. NOBODY cares whether the pictures wer released by Saab or not, and Lexus is owned by Toyota, so the cars you see were not badge egnineered. And about that photoshop thing. This forum is about the Chinese auto industry. Almost everything is photoshopped!
Nice to see you online though my friend.

nzsaab

05-14-2009, 03:25 AM

Hello there well firstly this is a forum about Saab so it would only be natural that the people that view this page are somewhat inetersted in knowing factual information about the brand.

You say Lexus is owned by Toyota so the cars are not badge engineered, well Saab is owned by GM, Chevy is Owned by GM and so are alot of other marques, there is no difference. The only difference is that Toyota has less brands.

KiwiGuy

05-14-2009, 11:57 PM

Saab have been absent from the SUV market until they launched the 9-7x a few years ago. To replace it, they've come up with this beauty, the 9-4x.
http://image.trucktrend.com/f/industry-news/saab-jumps-the-gm-ship-to-protect-its-self-files-for-bankruptcy-protection/17821224+cr1+re0+ar1/2010-saab-9-4x-front-three-quarter.jpg

No new on where it is sold though.

Mehmet

05-19-2009, 09:14 AM

i think saab is different than lexus or acura; its reminds everyone swedish steel like volvo does...and these brands are kind of national brands and should stay like that whoever is the owner....

nzsaab

05-21-2009, 03:47 AM

I really like the look of the 9-4x and if i had the money I would definatly be lineing up to buy one!

KiwiGuy

05-28-2009, 12:13 AM

Right. some interior pics of Saab 9-4.
General view
http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/05/2010_saab_9-5_spyshot_detail/Saab9-4xTestingInterior.jpg

Close up
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SXiOjW8B6OI/AAAAAAABgwI/xXYtgpFf3PE/s320/Saab-9-4.jpg

It's interesting. First, Saab comes out with thier 9-4 compact SUV followed by Volvo with thier XC60. To be honest, I don't know who to go for.

KiwiGuy

05-28-2009, 12:18 AM

And some spy pictures of next gen 9-5.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Sgs0-7Ive5I/AAAAAAABwU8/Qce4QEXh15g/s1600-h/2010-Saab-9-5-1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Sgshczvi3VI/AAAAAAABwTM/rcjThOuvHWY/s1600-h/2010-Saab-9-5-2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SgshdFhi1JI/AAAAAAABwTc/Lmy1L-G0a5M/s1600-h/2010-Saab-9-5-5.jpg

nzsaab

05-28-2009, 02:29 AM

it seems your 9-5 pictures didnt come out!

I think you know who to go for. The Saab is just better. Face it. Its quirky, individual, scandanavian, sporty, powerful, durable and reliable?

nzsaab

05-29-2009, 02:15 AM

Attached are direct links to videos from old chinese Saab adverts!

Below is for the second look Saab 9-5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPOia0cfbVg

Saab 9000:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGnWWlKPpIo

Saab 900:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSDvsxLVamA

Saab safety:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSncojOPaM8

nzsaab

05-29-2009, 02:16 AM

Heres a link to the Saab Performance Team in China:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFY-FN4aS3Q

nzsaab

05-29-2009, 03:02 AM

Heres an American review for the 2007 Saab 9-3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2mgL8DN3o4

nzsaab

05-29-2009, 03:06 AM

Heres an American review of the 2006 Saab 9-3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NOBOWx2KRM

nzsaab

05-29-2009, 03:12 AM

Heres another American review on the Saab 9-3 2008 aero model, its a really good review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVeEJRFb_8k

nzsaab

05-29-2009, 03:17 AM

A chinese advert for Saab:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WIb55JcvGA

A modern chinese advert for Saab 9-5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUfkkMQonNY

KiwiGuy

06-13-2009, 07:19 PM

Koenisegg may buy Saab
For all those who don't know who this manufacturer is, Koenigsegg is a Swedish supercar manufacturer which is behind the famed CC, CCX and CCR supercars that acheive record speeds. Koenigsegg is an independent company, not owned by any other foreign company.

From www.caradvice.au
General Motors has today announced that Swedish supercar manufacturer Koenigsegg is the current front runner to buy out GM’s struggling Saab brand.

Koenigsegg has been interested in Saab for some time. We suspect the reason is to have a mass production facility to build its upcoming electric car under the Saab umbrella, giving the company access to the worldwide market in the near future.

According to reports on Swedish television, Koenigsegg alongside Norwegian investors have recently signed a letter of intent to take over Saab. GM had already given up on Saab in February of this year when it put the Swedish brand into the equivalent of bankruptcy and cut ties that go back two decades.

Currently GM is undergoing a massive restructuring process which means shedding Saab, Hummer and Saturn. The old GM also gave up trying to sell its medium-duty truck business this week and announced its termination.

According to the Financial Times the successful buyer has an interesting contract to deal with. As part of the deal GM will provide US$500 million in assets and cash, plus production equipment for a new Saab model. GM will also leave the US$150 million of cash already in Saab’s account as is.

Koenigsegg will have to put in a similar amount of money (although reports say it could be less) and if it’s successful in turning Saab around it will pay GM back the US$500+150 million.

The electric car Koenigsegg is expected to release next year is called the Quant. A project between Koenigsegg and NLV Solar AG. The car is claimed to manage 500 kilometres on a 20 minute charge, if Koenigsegg can bring even half of that promise to the market with a new Saab model, we will see a lot more Saabs on the road in the near future!

nzsaab

06-14-2009, 05:43 AM

Hi there, Im sure you are all now aware that GM has been sucessful in selling it Hummer and Saturn brands and Saab is almost there as KiwiGuy has stated above.

Im sure Koenisegg and Saab will form a fantastic relationship. In the past every owner related ownership of Saab has been a disaster.
The ownership under the name Saab-Scania was very uncomfortable and tense for the entire Saab-Scania group comprising of Saab Automobile AB - Saab Aircraft AB - CombiTec - Enertec and Scania Trucks AB. Scania Trucks AB was reaping huge profits and saw Saab Autombile bleed millions of the groups hard earned SEK each year.

General Motors relationship with Saab has always been a oneway street. GM has always only been interested in Saabs advanced engineering capibilities and knowledge. It is not widely known but at the present time a large percent of the current engines availible in the GM model range are hugely influenced and designed by Saabs engineers. GM has depleated Saab of most of its culture and over the years has given Saab a number of tacky and sometimes shoty products. Also there have been many cockups such as the Saab 9-2x and to a lesser extent the Saab 9-7x, these cars seriously dented Saabs culture and brand appeal, rather than improve it as GM had hoped. GM has more than enything deprived investment in Saab. They did however make a huge attempt in building Saab in 2002 when over a billion was given to Saab to develop the 9-3 (which is still almost identical 8 years later). Saab designed a sedan, convertible, combi, combi xwd and a coupe hatchback. The sedan and the convertible went straight into production, the combi waited 4 years before it was released and the combi xwd waited until late 2009. The coupe hatchback was shelved then dropped. Between 2003 and 2005 GM also has Saab design the 9-2x and the 9-6x with Subaru. Only the 9-2x eventuated. The Oldsmobile based 9-7x went to production and has sold pretty well in North America.

The new ownership relationship between Saab Automobile AB and Koenisegg I believe will be a good one. Koenisegg has an electric car in the pipeline and so does Saab (commonly known as the 9-1 concept). Saab is committed to environmentally sustainable engines and has developed a 100% BioPower engine. It is working on a engine they call BioHybrid Technology whereby the engine runs of electricity and 100% BioEthenol.

As we all know, Saab has a few new models to come out within 4 years. First the 9-3x which was originally conceived in 2002 - 2003 but shelved by GM. Followed by the ALL NEW 9-5 (The current 9-5 is now 12 years old) and then the 9-4x CUV to be built in Mexico.

ITS EXCITING TIMES AHEAD FOR SAAB AND KOENISEGG!

KiwiGuy

06-15-2009, 05:28 AM

I like this idea. It keeps Saab Swedish and it looks like there will be plenty more Saabs coming soon.
BTW, Hummer has sold to a Chinese company and could you please, nzsaab, enlighten me on who purchased Saturn?

nzsaab

06-27-2009, 08:33 PM

Hi there KiwiGuy, well hot news is out across the world, actual pictures called CGI's of the 2010 9-5 sedan and 2011 9-5 wagon have have been leaked from Saab and posted on Saabs United, Saab requested Saabs United take the pictures down but it was too late, people had already copied them and pasted them elsewhere so Im going to keep with that trend!

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/2010Saab9-5officialSU.jpg

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/2010Saab9-5wagonOfficialSU.jpg

Now they are pretty good, this is what they will look like. I must say Im in love with them. How do you Chinese feel? Will the Chinese market buy it? Its been said by people who have driven these cars in secret that BMW, Merc and Audi really have something to worry about with this new 9-5, they say finally Saab is a competitor!

More news soon.

nzsaab

06-27-2009, 08:37 PM

Hey Kiwi Guy I forgot to answer your question about the sale of Saturn, Saturn has been sold to a guy named Roger Penske of the Penske Automotive Group on June 5th 2009.

nzsaab

06-27-2009, 09:01 PM

Koenigsegg visit Saab!

Seen here in Trollhatten:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/06/koenigsegg_visit_saab/3005410671.jpg

I just love the car they were driving! Looks abit like the mafia!

KiwiGuy

06-27-2009, 09:07 PM

The new 9-5 is a MASSIVE improvement over the old one. However, we still need to see interior pics and need to know what kind of technology and equipment they have put in it. Don't forget, it may look good, but will it sell?

nzsaab

06-27-2009, 09:09 PM

Hey kiwi guy, Im happy to say that there will be an all new V6 in the new 9-5 however the 9-3 will loose its V6. BioPower 4 cylinder engine and a diesel will be availible, that way everyones happy!

nzsaab

06-27-2009, 09:11 PM

Heres an interior shot that a spy got while chasing a 9-5 on tests.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/05/carscoop_make_amends_for_phil_-_post_uncovered_2010_saab_9-5_spyshots/Carscoop%209-5.jpg

nzsaab

06-27-2009, 09:13 PM

Recently potential investors and journalists visited Saab´s top secret showroom of the future to see the exiting future line-up. The cars they saw where the next generation of Saab vehicles including the 9-5 Sedan, 9-5 Wagon, 9-4X as well as other unspecified top secret vehicles. Saab has stated they will be launching 4 new cars in 18 months starting with the 9-3X this summer!
What car are you most excited about driving?

http://newsroom.saab-web.com/images/18.43abc3041211cc8612f80001811/future.jpg

nzsaab

06-27-2009, 09:22 PM

Goodbye old 9-5 :-(

Below is some extracts from CAR Magazine in the UK by Greg Fountain:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/06/car_magazine_salute_the_saab_9-5/CARSaab9-5.jpg

"I started writing this at least five years ago, round about the time we thought the 9-5 surely must be due for replacement.....I'm a slow writer, but I rarely take 5 years to write 450 words.....
.....The incomprehensible delay in replacing what is one of only two model lines flags up the utter hash General Motors has made of its Swedish asset....

.....It had a slightly imperfect, offbeam coolness of the kind that also defines Alfa Romeo. Enough coolness to make it worshipped almost fetishistically by sufficient customers either side of the Atlantic, cementing a business case only GM could fail to open and shut.....

....Inside, the 9-5 was simply brilliant....the Swedes understand furniture (the seats) like the French understand cuisine....

.....Purist drivers, badge snobs, the uninitiated and those who crave the safety of the tribe never got the 9-5. Here in the motoring press we rarely hailed it, almost never gave it a slot in a 5-series group test. But when I was editing this magazine back in 2002 I ran a 9-5 saloon as a long-term test car. And I still, to this day, miss it."

A fitting goodbye for a fantastic automobile.

nzsaab

06-27-2009, 09:40 PM

The 9-3x is already being driven as everyday cars in Sweden by Saab employees before its even been launched! These are not test cars they belong to employees!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/06/meanwhile_back_in_trollhattan/THSaab9-3xTTID-1.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/06/meanwhile_back_in_trollhattan/THSaab9-3xXWD-1.jpg

nzsaab

07-11-2009, 01:19 AM

This bought a tear to my eye, the last ever 9-5 SportSedan :-( It is destined for the UK. I wish it was destined for my driveway in New Zealand!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/thursday_night_quick_snippets_-_king_edition/Last%20Saab%209-5%20Sedan_July2%202009%20%281%29.jpg

nzsaab

07-15-2009, 09:01 PM

Hi yall, just thought Id let yas know that there are many new sketches and actual photos of the 2010 9-5 on the net at the moment, I thought I would post the most important ones here so you dont have to go looking!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/sunday_snippets_-_the_kitchen_sink_edition/Z-2010-Saab9-5-1.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/more_2010_saab_9-5_spyshots_emerge/2010Saab9-5trailer.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/2010_saab_9-5_-_full_frontal/img3425g.jpg

What do you think China?

Mehmet

07-19-2009, 02:44 PM

what about the koenigsegg?no deal?

KiwiGuy

07-19-2009, 11:23 PM

I expect Koenigsegg will do the right thing and keep Saab Swedish, in other words buy Saab. That way, they could actually make a profit rather then run at a loss as they have been doing in past years.

nzsaab

07-24-2009, 07:03 AM

As The Experssion Goes - Who's A Pretty Boy?

Ill tell you who the pretty boy is, thats the new kid on the block and hez looking pretty swish.

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-25.jpg

Front end styling is oh so Saab and very modern looking:
http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-8.jpg

The car is simply huge! Check out the following exterior pics:

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-4.jpg

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-3.jpg

More next post . . . . . . . .

nzsaab

07-24-2009, 07:04 AM

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-7.jpg

Interior styling has definatly improved however it seems that the quirky Saab touch is dissapearing from the flagship sedan:

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-24.jpg

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-16.jpg

The steering wheel and gear shifter from the insignia is just the start, take a look at the centre console, the seats and the door panneling! The quirky but somewhat useless 9-5 'butterfly' cupholder is gone as to have the Saab 2000 inspired 'fasten seat belt' warning light.

With those things aside, the 9-5 is definatly up with the big boys, finally offering technology worthy of a press release!

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-21.jpg

More next post . . . . .

nzsaab

07-24-2009, 07:05 AM

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/2010_saab_9-5_overview/Saab-95-13.jpg

Perhaps one of my favourite features of the new 9-5 is this:

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-22.jpg

We say good bye to the tacky 90's looking key idea and move into the twentyfirst century with push button start:

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-20.jpg

The 9-5 has sadly lost its griffen badging on the interior and rear of the car:

http://www.easycarblog.com/wp-content/gallery/23_july_2009-saab-9-5-1/2010-saab-9-5-12.jpg

More next post . . . . .

nzsaab

07-24-2009, 07:07 AM

Let us not forget that the 9-5 has an all new key fob too!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/2010_saab_9-5_overview/Saab-95-15.jpg

As you may have realised, judging by the size of this post Im just so excited about this new car!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/2010_saab_9-5_overview/Saab-95-2.jpg

Colour scemes for the 2010 9-5 are:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/05/from_gms_own_mouth_-_the_2010_saab_9-5/2010%20Saab%209-5%20colors2.jpg

The following is the description given from a magazine article:

OVERVIEW

The Saab 9-5 offers excellent performance and value in the performance oriented midsize luxury category. It is available in Sedan in base and Aero levels, and in front-wheel and all-wheel drive.

NEW FOR 2010

2.8L V6 Turbocharged engine

OnStar® 1-year Directions & Connections Plan2 with Turn-by-Turn Navigation

Bluetooth® wireless technology for select compatible phones17

6-speed Sentronic automatic transmission with manual shift

Lane Departure Warning available

Rear Passenger Package includes rear seat entertainment, dual display

DVD, remote control, auxiliary jacks, dual channel headphones, tri-zone climate control, rear seat audio controls

EZ Key passive entry system

SELECTED STANDARD FEATURES

Safety and Security

Dual-stage front air bags with passenger sensing system1

Side-impact and head curtain side-impact air bags1

LATCH (Lower Anchors and Top tethers for CHildren) system

Theft-deterrent system

Daytime Running Lamps

Electronic Stability Program (ESP) with traction control

OnStar® 1-year Directions & Connections Plan2 with Turn-by-Turn Navigation

Interior

Front leather-appointed heated bucket seats with power adjustments, driver memory

Split-folding rear seat

Floor console with armrest

Dual-zone automatic climate control with air filtration system

Driver Information Center with outside temperature display

Tilt/telescoping adjustable steering column

Universal Home Remote

Cargo Management System

Remote Keyless Entry with keyless start button

AM/FM stereo with CD player, XM Radio3 with a 3-month trial, USB port and harman/kardon® speaker system

Bluetooth® wireless technology for select compatible phones

Mechanical

Front-wheel drive

2.8L Turbocharged V6 engine

6-speed Sentronic automatic transmission with manual shift

4-wheel disc antilock brake system with Electronic Brake-Force Distribution

Power rack-and-pinion steering

4-wheel independent suspension

Lowered, sport-tuned chassis (Aero)

Exterior

Intermittent rain-sensing front windshield wipers

Front integral fog lamps

P225/55R17 all-season tires

5-spoke aluminum wheels

SELECTED OPTIONAL FEATURES

Ultrasonic Front and Rear Parking Assist
Lane Departure Warning
Seating options: driver and passenger ventilated seats, semi-Aniline leather surfaces
Tri-zone climate control
Head Up Display
Audio options: Rear seat controls, rear seat entertainment, voice recognition, Navigation radio, 6-disc CD changer, surround sound, 40GB hard drive device
2.8L HO Turbocharged V6 engine (Aero)
All-wheel drive
Electronic Slip Differential (e-LSD)
EZ Key passive entry system
Xenon headlamps with auto-leveling and adaptive forward lighting
Power moonroof
18- and 19-inch aluminum wheels

ENGINES:

1.6t (190hp),
2.0t (220hp),
2.8t V6 (300hp),
2.0TiD (160hp) and TTiD(190hp)

Im sure BMW and Audi are shaking in their Barvarian designed snow boots after seeing this car!

Heres one last look for now:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/2010_saab_9-5_overview/Saab-95-4.jpg

KiwiGuy

07-24-2009, 08:13 PM

It looks good, much better than the tacky model before, But what is with the lines around the instrument cluster? they dont match the steering wheel, nor the fishnet aircondition blowerthingys in any way.
That's my ony niggle. Otherwise, AWESOME JOB SAAB!:clap:

nzsaab

07-24-2009, 10:51 PM

The New 9-5 - Photos Just Keep On Coming!

Hi KiwiGuy, Im glad you like the new 9-5! Please keep in mind that the interior is the base model fitted with optional extras.

Exciting news is that Saab's new 9-5 is up with the competition! Look closely at the top of the dash:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/ams_sweden_show_their_9-5_pics/Saab_9-5_MY2010_Vector_08_big_481.jpg

Im loving the big screen, although like the old 9-5, it may only be availible in the big markets.

It seems that this car is fitted with the optional cargo seperator:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/ams_sweden_show_their_9-5_pics/Saab_9-5_MY2010_Vector_11_big_481.jpg

The new 9-5 features an all new 9-5 badge, note how the 9 is more squared:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/ams_sweden_show_their_9-5_pics/Saab_9-5_MY2010_Vector_19_big_481.jpg

more next post! . . . . .

nzsaab

07-24-2009, 10:57 PM

A better look at the big screen:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/ams_sweden_show_their_9-5_pics/Saab_9-5_MY2010_Vector_10_big_481.jpg

Up close of that GM sourced shifter!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/ams_sweden_show_their_9-5_pics/Saab_9-5_MY2010_Vector_07_big_481.jpg

This car is very attractive from the outside but I cannot help but feel that this car was designed with little funds availible and were told to take what they could from the insignia. It will reflect badly in the reviews.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/07/ams_sweden_show_their_9-5_pics/Saab_9-5_MY2010_Vector_03_big_481.jpg

nzsaab

08-04-2009, 02:33 AM

This forum should be renamed the new Saab 9-5!

Ive got some exciting new photos to share!

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_6.jpg

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_3.jpg

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_1.jpg

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_4.jpg

More next post . . .

nzsaab

08-04-2009, 02:38 AM

FUNKY!

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_8.jpg

A reminder of GM's ideas of destroying individualisim within brands and attempting to make everyone look the same!

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_11.jpg

A refined but very opel touch!

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_12.jpg

A modern ignition for a class leading car . . . or so Id like to think!

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_15.jpg

More next post . . .

nzsaab

08-04-2009, 02:42 AM

Very supporting seats although I wouldnt choose this rather dull colour. I dont really like the headrests, too chunky.

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_16.jpg

Ah yes, my very dream to hop into a car and on the console display this very fine marque's logo appeas! I would recomend for next time to dust the car before the press arrive! This isnt some low key Tata Nano launch! This is the launch of Audi, Volvo and BMW's best attempt at conpetition from Saab yet!

http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_12853_14.jpg

KiwiGuy

08-05-2009, 05:30 AM

Maybe Saab could'v come up with something more modern than the broad dashboard which, in my view, does not match the instrument cluster, centre console, or the rest of the car. This simply reeks of early 90's styling which Saab have pioneered.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

08-05-2009, 05:21 PM

Don't like that interior color-ick!

nzsaab

08-11-2009, 03:20 AM

Hello again KiwiGuy and welcome to Saab Rally Red Lancer GTS.

Firstly to Kiwiguy, I think when you look back in hindishgt at what Saab has offered over the years from its rather limited model range you will notice that this is quite a step up. I would say rather that it reaks of Opel insignia and too much GM influence. It must be kept in mind that this is the first Saab to use 100% GM parts and shares most parts with the cars it was meant to be built alongside with, namely Opel Insignia. It must also be taken into account that this car was developed very quickly and at a huge budget. Both GM and Saab dont have alot of cash and neither make profits so the development of the new 9-5 was always going to be a let down before it started. None the less it will still enter the market and compete with the big boys.

To Rally Red Lancer GTS, I feel sure there will be several interior options availible on this model, keep in mind that pictured is a base model version (or as we say at Saab, Linear) with options added to show the press.

nzsaab

08-11-2009, 03:30 AM

SAAB HEADLINE - PLEASE READ

It has come to my attention that Saab have issued a recall notice to all Saab 9-3 V6 Aero and Turbo X owners from model year 2006 - 2009. If you are an owner of a Saab 9-3 Turbo X or Aero model that fits that description please see your dealer immediatly. It is not a safety recall

The issue at hand is with the expansion tank, hot water vapour in the hose from the turbocharger may lead to rapid ageing of the expansion tank and result in cracks which could lead to coolant leakage. A corrected expansion tank and other components will be replaced by your local Saab dealer at no cost.

Saab appologise for any inconvenience. This issue apparently has come up in the past to Holden's Commodore V6 powered cars, which incidentily is where Saab source their V6 engines from.

It seems that when Saab outsource engines, such as the Holden V6 and the Isuzu sourced V6 TID there always seems to be reliability issues!

A copy of the information dealers recieve is shown below:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/08/more_on_the_coolant_expansion_tank_recall_for_v6_s aab_9-3s/Coolant_Campaign.jpg

nzsaab

08-28-2009, 01:54 AM

Saab's ALL NEW 9-5 Aero Unveiled!

On Thursday as planned Saab Automobile AB officially unveiled information about its all new flagship model, the Saab 9-5 Aero.

Yesterday was the first day that Saab has officially unveiled anything about the new 9-5 as the previous photos of the base model 9-5 were press shots which were not sapposed to be shown until after the launch.

The 2010 Saab 9-5 Aero will feature a 300hp V6!

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010Saab9-5AeroRear.jpg

Now those are sexy tailpipes!

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010Saab9-5AeroBadge.jpg

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010Saab9-5AeroRearAngle.jpg

From this angle, the all new 9-5 Aero looks massive and looks like a worthy contender for competition for the A6 and M5:

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010Saab9-5AeroSide.jpg

More shots next post . . .

nzsaab

08-28-2009, 02:03 AM

An agressive front end has always been a Saab hallmark, the all new 9-5 confirms that the Saab spirit remains strong:

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010Saab9-5frontsmallr2.jpg

Very butch indeed!

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010Saab9-5off.jpg

Theres nothing like being fashionably late to the party and in this case Saab are super late when it comes to some modcons! Such as push-button start/ stop!

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/1205342.jpg

And heads up display!

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/1205334.jpg

What does China think?

KiwiGuy

09-12-2009, 05:30 PM

Koenigsegg and BAIC to take control of Saab?

From China Car Times
Beijing Auto Works have teamed up with Koenigsegg to take on Saab according to Chinese media reports from late this afternoon.

The announcement comes as a shock to many, as it was expected that Shanghai GM would take on a sleeping partner roll in Saab from GM, but it seems that GM have favoured an outright sale of the now independent car marker to a Koenigsegg/Beijing Auto Industry Corporation (BAIC) alliance.

Koenigsegg are expected to take on 100% of Saab with BAIC bringing the 290 million Euros to the table that Koenigsegg were lacking. Saab is now a step closer to being a Sweedish company once again, albeit with a Chinese company to aid it.

It’s unsure what will become of the deal, as it BAIC were unsuccesful in buying Opel from GM due to the possibility of future conflict if BAIC put GM platforms and engines from Opel into production in China, a market where GM performs extremely well with little competition.

This is interesting. Watch This Space.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

09-13-2009, 11:26 AM

nzsaab, man, the new Saab 9-5 is one handsome sedan. It really is. I will be coming back here to learn of new developments. That car looks as sharp as a tack. Doesn't matter to me if they're late to the game with pushbutton start, either.

nzsaab

09-14-2009, 12:35 AM

To KiwiGuy, I wondered how long it would take you to find that news before I posted it here myself! But seeming you have already reported, I wont repeat.
I was not suprised that the Chinese would eventually have some sort of interest in Saab, namely BAIC seeming they missed out on the Opel deal. Apparently they were one of the bidders for Saab outright a few months ago. I think BAIC's decision to become involved through Koeinegsegg is a great move both for Saab and everyone else involved. For Saab, it means the Chinese dont get to be involved directly in Saab's designs. For Koeinegsegg it means they can fulfil its requirements to raise enough capital for the purchase. For BAIC, it means they have ownership in a foreign company and can learn alot from Saab's advanced engineering abilities. There are many other great outcomes from this deal but thats all from the top of my head as of now.

I heard last week that the Saab Automobile AB factory in Trollhatten, Sweden is now among the most productive and streamlined in Europe!

To Rally Red Lancer GTS, thankyou for your comments on the 2010 9-5 SportSedan, I agree, it is very handsome. In two more days it will be revealed at the Frankfurt Autoshow. I will post some more photographs in the coming week.

Keep watch of this thread for more info, the thread of which I have rather stole from my mate KiwiGuy!

Rally Red Lancer GTS

09-14-2009, 02:09 AM

And yes, nzsaab, those are some seriously sexy tailpipes on the 2010 Saab 9-5! Whew, in fact, the entire rear end looks rather masterfully done. The more I look at that front end with the angling lower side treatment the more I like it, too. Makes me wonder how this sedan might look in my favorite car color, red.

Yes, I'm now hooked on this thread and eagerly await updates on the 2010 Saab 9-5!

Three more things I like about this design: the nice wheels, compare them to my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS' wheels shown on my Lancer GTS below, and the front turn signal indicators on the 2010 Saab 9-5, in amber color. Now those are cool looking, too. And also the small black open spot on the very inside of the headlights, by the grille centerpiece. Very nicely done. This car is hot and I have added it to my watch list. It did have to grow on me for just a while, however I think this design will catch people's eyes at Frankfurt upon first glance. It has a strong hint of Audi in it's design, and for me, that is a good thing.

Looking at the 2010 Saab 9-5 photos as a whole, this is a great car to buy in silver. Looks magnificent on this car. By George, I think I'm getting hooked on the Saab 9-5, nzsaab!

And hopefully Saab will list U.S. prices at the Frankfurt Auto Show. And nzsaab, it appears to say Turbo on that right side emblem on there...so it's got a 300hp turbo V6 then, eh?

nzsaab

09-14-2009, 04:14 AM

Hi again, Rally Red Lancer GTS.

Im so very glad you like the all new Saab 9-5 Aero SportSedan. I hope you will be in the market for one in the future because if you have seen what I have seen in terms of last months world sales figures there may not be a Saab around for too much longer unless someone buys this 9-5 in bulk!

Saab's have always looked good in red. I really liked the old 9-5 Aero Sedan (wasnt cool enough to be called a 'SportSedan') in Laser Red.

Heres a close shot of the alloy for you:

http://blog.leasetrader.com/images/blog_leasetrader_com/WindowsLiveWriter/NEW2010Saab95PhotoImages_F855/NEW%202010%20Saab%209-5%20%20wheel%20photo_2.jpg

In my own personal opinion I think Saab have done a tremendous job in creating a new flagship car for their range in a rather cash strapped environment.

What will be even more exciting will be the next generation 9-3 range. But dont get too excited because the current 9-3 range is scheduled to get another facelift before it leaves the family. That next facelift will bring the current 9-3 into the same sort of design ideas as the new 9-5 with a similar interior, similar rear, similar front end etc. But never mind, thats a few years off yet.

The 2010 Saab 9-3x is now availible for order and I have heard about 300 9-3x's have been built to date. (Some Saab employees in Trollhatten already have them! Even in red just for you!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/06/meanwhile_back_in_trollhattan/THSaab9-3xXWD-1.jpg

The 9-4x has almost fallen into oblivion in terms of media coverage but is expected in 2011, the same year as the 9-5 SportEstate.

From what I know, you choose either a V6 Trubo a twin turbo diesel on the Aero, a turbo diesel an option on Vector and Linear and a standard 4 cylinder petrol in the Linear which I would imagine would be pretty gutless in such a big car!

Will keep you posted of anything exciting in the coming week.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

09-14-2009, 11:31 AM

Unfortunately we have not adopted the diesel's here in the States because of our strict environmental pollution rules, however, I will watch that because it could be changing or have already changed.

Yes, I would want the V6 turbo or the twin turbo diesel on the Aero. A 4-cyl would not seem to be enough power to move this car effectively, however, I am very 4-cyl friendly in cars I buy. In fact, the last time I had a bigger engine was in my '73 Plymouth Gold Duster. That car had a slant-6 cyl. engine in it.

I'll be coming back here regularly to learn more. Thanks for the freshen-ups, nzsaab!

nzsaab

09-15-2009, 01:47 AM

Is China as excited as I am about the launch of the 9-5 today-tomorrow (depending on where you are) at the Frankfurt Motorshow?

Im soooooo excited, a new 9-5 is finally here!

It seems Saab left the cover off when they wernt sapposed to! Before the show has even started and someone shot this!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/sneek_peek_-_2010_saab_9-5_at_the_iaa_frankfurt/Saab_Frankfurt_montern_test_big.jpg

More news will be posted when Im at the computer.

nzsaab

09-15-2009, 03:56 AM

Saabs United has released prep photos of the 9-5 launch at the Frankfurt Autoshow!

Heres a shot of the cafe area! Dam those seats look comfy! Id love one for my house! Cheers Swade:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/before_the_show/IMG_1908.JPG

The new 9-5 will appear from this door:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/before_the_show/IMG_1904.JPG

The 9-3x is on dispaly and looking very handsome:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/before_the_show/IMG_1901.JPG

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/before_the_show/IMG_1903.JPG

Cheers Swade from Saabs United. If you want to get the most acurate up to date news just check out www.saabsunited.com

KiwiGuy

09-15-2009, 11:32 PM

9-5 is rear wheel drive, because I cannot think how bad the steering would be if it were front. The old chassis could just handle 250bhp.

Also, is the Saab 9-3x a seperate model or part of the 9-3 range?

nzsaab

09-16-2009, 02:46 AM

Kiwiguy

Hi again, I think it was fair to say that it was time to get real and get a rear wheel drive! If you are going to have an effective flagship car with lots of performance, ditch the front wheel drive. But being real here myself, the real reason as to why it is a rear wheel drive is probably because of its underpinnings, remember this car was developed on a budget and was intended to be built alongside the Opel Insignia (which it now wont be).

The 9-3x will be apart of the 9-3 family however it doesnt have a tag name after for example: Saab 9-3 SportSedan or Saab 9-5 SportEstate its just plain Saab 9-3x.

KiwiGuy

09-16-2009, 02:54 AM

They will probably call it something like SportCross or something like that.

nzsaab

09-16-2009, 03:02 AM

I see little point when the 9-3x is only availible in combi form. Saabs main website saab.com displays the 9-3x as simply 9-3x where all other models have a tag name like SportCombi etc.

For those of you interested, the 9-3x is now availible to order at your local dealer, so get your checkbooks out!!!!! YAY

nzsaab

09-16-2009, 03:11 AM

OMG - Im 'Turned on' - does anyone get it?

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/2010_saab_9-5_-_you_must_see_this_vehicle/IMG_1925.JPG

martin_krpan

09-16-2009, 11:21 AM

New 9-5 live@Frankfurt:
http://news.auto.cz/nove-modely/saab-9-5-frankfurt-zive-prvni-dojmy.html

Rally Red Lancer GTS

09-16-2009, 07:27 PM

Man, every pic I can find of this pup is either grey or silver. Lookin' great, though.

http://www.jdpower.com/images/vehicles/jdpa/2011/saab/95/480/11-saab-95-01.jpg

KiwiGuy

09-16-2009, 07:53 PM

OMG BAIC has aquired a stake in Koiengsegg which is set to take over SAAB!

KiwiGuy

09-17-2009, 04:00 AM

China SAAB Sales Set to Rise
From China Car Times:
China is a very weak market for Saab, who only managed to sell 900 cars last year in teh worlds hottest auto market. GM first introduced Saab into China five years ago, but has only had limited sales so far, this could be due to their very small dealership network and limited advertising scope in the Peoples Republic of China, however a partnership between Koenigsegg and Beijing Automotive Industry Corporation (BAIC) is likely to see Saab sales in China surge.

Koenigsegg is likely to lean on its Chinese partner to further the development of a Chinese sales network and aid in Chinese marketing. The success of the Beijing-Hyundai joint venture is likely to serve as a case study to improve sales with the introduction of the right models into the market.

The Sweedish-Chinese tag team are aiming to make Saab profitable by 2012 with a yearly production rate of 100,000 cars. GM is not expected to put the brakes on any Chinese market limitations like it would have done with Opel sales, as Saab and Opel cater to different market segments, although the GM Epsilon II platform is shared with Saab for its 2010 9-5 model, which is also produced in China for the Buick Regal. If GM comes to a deal between Shanghai-GM, and BAIC, China might see a Chinese produced Saab somewhere around 2013.

nzsaab

09-17-2009, 05:14 AM

KiwiGuy

Thank you for your news article, a very interesting read. In my opinion the Chinese market is vital in Saab's future growth and the deal between Keonigsegg and BAIC make Saab's growth plans even more viable.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

There are several photos of the new 9-5 in gold on saab.com

For now heres a shot of the rear HVAC and audio controls on the console:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/a_few_more_2010_saab_9-5_details/IMG_2026.JPG

Rally Red Lancer GTS

09-17-2009, 12:16 PM

Cool...a separate HVAC console box for rear passengers. If that's for separate music for the passengers in back with their own speakers, I see a potential conflict there, huh? Especially with how loud I listen to my tunes!

Perhaps one of those plug-ins is for headphones...that would solve that problem.

nzsaab

09-21-2009, 01:05 AM

Very probably Rally Red Lancer GTS.

Posters are already going up in Sweden!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/2010_saab_9-5_-_the_su_review_part_3/IMG_2096.JPG

nzsaab

09-22-2009, 02:49 AM

Those Crazy Swedes!

You have to hand it to the Swedish, they know how to use their noodle [brain]. Just what were they thinking when they thought of doing this?

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/03/Saab_9-3_Camper.jpg

Or worse still this . . .

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/in_stockholm/IMG_2300.JPG

Rally Red Lancer GTS

09-22-2009, 11:53 AM

Ouch!

nzsaab

09-27-2009, 05:35 AM

Bringing Sexy Back?

http://www.dancewithshadows.com/auto/images/saab-9-5-frankfurt.jpg

Well thats what she would say . . .

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IFl_v4A8YeY/SXQc2fqD1PI/AAAAAAAAC_c/Dk0oZZDSpf8/s400/dame-edna.jpg

Thats right!!!! My favourite 9-5 may be back on the streets! Well the steets of China that is!

You see the OG 9-5 (also known as the Dame Edna 9-5 for obvious reasons) is now heading out of production. The SportEstate is still going, the Sedan finished in July. The tooling has to go somewhere, BAIC are going to buy a stake in Saab's new owner and Saab want to increase their presence in China and introduce a competitive car at a lower price than the 9-3.

The secret is to build the outgoing 9-5 in China!

The car will have all the features as it does now, it will get a new model number 9 something as the 9-5 name is taken by the new 9-5. The new car might be named 9-2 as it will be cheaper than the 9-3 but its not physically small enough to call 9-1 because Saab are saving that for their coming soon hatch.

Id say this car is going to give the Chinese ALOT of bang for their buck!

With the following features as standard! For less than the 9-3!

Anti Theft and Locks:

Vehicle Anti-Theft Via Alarm and Engine Immobilizer
Vehicle Anti-Lockout
Power Decklid Lock/Unlock
Theftlock(R) Radio Anti-Theft
Selective Locking/Unlocking
Power Door Locks
Child Safety Door Locks Located On Rear Doors

Braking & Traction:

Electronic Stability Program ESP(R) Vehicle Stability Control System
Electronic Brake Force Distribution
Traction Control
Front Power 306-mm Ventilated Disc and Rear Power 286-mm Solid Disc Brakes
Brake Assistance
4-Wheel Anti-Lock Brakes

Electrical

Battery Saver
12-Volt, 70-Amp/Hours Battery
Rear Seat Power Outlet
Distributorless Ignition
140-Amp Alternator
Delayed Power Retention
Front Power Outlet

Engines & Emissions

Turbocharger With Intercooler
Free Scheduled Maintenance For 36 Months or 36,000 Miles
Turbocharged 2.3-Liter, I4, 16-Valve, DOHC, MPFI Engine; Front Mounted With Horsepower Of 260@5300, Torque Of 258@1900, Cast Iron Block and Alloy Cylinder Heads

Entertainment, Communication & Navigation

Harman/Kardon(R) AM/FM Radio With Seek, Scan, Speed Sensitive Volume, 200 Watts and 9 Speakers Total; 6-Disc CD Changer; XM(R) Satellite Radio
Pre-Programmed Equalizer
Auxiliary Input Jack
Telephone Antenna
Rear Diversity In-Glass Radio Antenna

Exterior Lighting

Automatic Headlights
2 Front and 1 Rear Foglights
High Pressure Headlight Washers
Halogen Headlights
Daytime Running Lights
Perimeter Lighting

Exterior, Design, Paint & Finish

Front Air Dam
Rocker Panels
Color-Keyed Body Side Moldings
Front and Rear Bumpers

Heating, Ventilation & Air Conditioning

Automatic Climate Control
Separate Driver/Front Passenger Climate Controls
Interior Air Filter
Rear HVAC Ducts

Instrumentation

Trip Computer With Average Speed, Average Fuel Consumption and Miles To Empty
Exterior Temperature Gauge
Cruise Control
Tachometer
Digital Clock
Tire Pressure Monitor
Compass
Voice Activated Controls For Phone
3-Memory Adjustments For Driver Side Includes Seat and Exterior Mirrors
Service Interval Indicator
Steering Wheel Mounted Controls For Audio

Interior Lighting

Front and Rear Map Lights
Illuminated Entry Includes Footwell
Delayed Courtesy Light
Interior Load Area Light

Interior, Design, Decor & Floor Covering

Leather Steering Wheel
Metallic Trim Located On Instrument Panel and Doors
Front Carpeted Floor Mats
Rear Carpeted Floor Mats
Carpet Located Inside Passenger Cabin and Trunk

Remote Controls & Remote Releases

3-Channel Universal Garage Door Opener
Keyless Entry Operated Via Key Fob
Remote Trunk Release
Multi-Function Remote Operates Door Lock/Unlock and Alarm

Safety
Driver Airbag
Passenger Airbag Cutoff Sensor
Rear 3-Point Center Seatbelt
Side Guard Door Beams
L A T C H
Front and Rear Crumple Zones
Front Active Head Restraints
Front and Rear 3-Point Seatbelts
Front Pretensioners With Force Limiters
Crash Sensor Sends GPS Signal
Passenger Airbag
Trunk Anti-Trap Device
Front Side Airbags With Head Protection

Seats
Driver Power Seat Adjusts 8 Ways Total
Rear 60/40 Split Folding Heated Bench Seat With Outboard Adjustable Headrests and Fold-Down Center Armrest
Upgraded Two-Tone Leather Seats
Front Dual Heated Bucket Seats With Adjustable Seat Height, 3-Position Driver Power Memory and Adjustable Headrests
Rear Seat Pass Through
Front Passenger Power Seat Adjusts 8 Ways Total
Driver Manual Lumbar Support

Steering

Telescopic Steering Column
Power Rack and Pinion Variable Assisted Steering
Tilt Steering Column

Storage

2 Front and 2 Rear; 4 Cupholders Total
Lockable and Illuminated Glovebox
Temperature Controlled Storage Cools Glovebox
Front Dual Seatback Storage Pockets
Covered Lower Console Storage Located On Floor
Rear Armrest Storage
Cargo Area Tiedown Hooks
Front and Rear Dual Door Mounted Storage
Coinholder

Sunroof/Moonroof & Removable/Convertible Top

Front Power Glass Tilt Slide Moonroof

Suspension

Rear Stabilizer Bar
Independent MacPherson Strut Wishbone Front Suspension With Coil Springs, Gas Charged Shock Absorbers and Sport Ride Type
Independent Multi-Link Rear Suspension With Coil Springs, Gas Charged Shock Absorbers and Sport Ride Type
Front Stabilizer Bar

Transmission

Sentronic 5-Speed Electronically Controlled Adaptive, Manually Interactive Automatic Transmission
Adaptive Automatic Transmission
Manually Interactive Transmission

Wheels & Tires

SBRP235/45VR17 BSW, All-Season Tires
Compact Spare Tire
5-Spoke High Split Alloy Wheels, 17-In. X 7.5-In.

Windows, Mirrors & Wipers

Variable Intermittent Windshield Wipers
Electrochromic Interior Rearview Mirror
Front Dual Sunvisors
Power Windows With Front Dual One-Touch Down
Tinted Glass
Front Dual Illuminated Vanity Mirrors
Sunshade Located On Moonroof
Power Window Lockout
Rear Window Defroster
Dual Body Color Folding Power Adjustable Heated Exterior Rearview Mirrors With 3-Position Memory
Rain Sensing Wipers

WHO CARES IF THE CAR IS OVER 10 YEARS OLD!!!! ITS STACKED WITH FEATURES, IS EXTREMLY SAFE, IS POWERFUL AND COMFORTEBLE!!!!

http://www.turbonines.com/emAlbum/albums/Production%20Cars/9-5/1997-2005/Sedan/Interior/turbonines-saab-9-5-95-001.jpg

nzsaab

09-27-2009, 05:46 AM

Any one else turned on right now?

http://images.passionperformance.ca/photos/1/1/11164_2009_Saab_9-5.jpg

I dont often say this about white cars but that is pretty swish.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/2007_Saab_9-5_front.jpg

And to confirm that the days of the old generation 9-5 being the conservative top of Saabs range is over than check this out:

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/1858278967_ce748a77ff_o.jpg

nzsaab

10-05-2009, 12:36 AM

Old Generation 9-5 may soon be built in China but it wont be a Saab :-(

Thats right, as more news comes to light and the speculation winds down it is now becoming known that BAIC's interests in ownership of Koenigsegg Group are getting deeper and in some peoples opinions darker.

It became obvious that BAIC were sniffing around looking for away to get into GM's technology because they really wanted Opel, and now since that deal fell over they want our dear Saab.

Saab has finally shown the old generation 9-5 where the door is and is introducing a smart new Sedan for the 2010 model year followed by the SportEstate (SportCombi in some markets) the following year.

The old 9-5 tooling has to go somewhere right? Either that or an old warehouse in Sweden or something, why not send it to China? Make some money out of it? SURE! That tooling has surely paid for itself by now so anything Saab make from BAIC using the tooling will be all profit.

BAIC get an extremly safe well proven car fast to production and Saab make some much needed cash to spend on its upcoming 9-4x, 9-5 SportEstate and NextGeneration 9-3 Family.

Its WIN WIN!

There have been recent talks around Saab discussion websites that BAIC's latest move in the Saab deal is to attempt to secure the tooling for the current Saab 9-3 when it comes offline in about half a decade from now.

It has been reported that the old generation 9-5 will recieve a new body design and probably a minimal design change on the interior and will bear the BAIC badge. It will not be affiliated to Saab's operations in China.

KiwiGuy

10-05-2009, 03:47 AM

A BAIC 9-5? Your kidding, right? And the 9-3?
Dear God, what is this world coming to?
And I thought you would like this. There is a racing game I an going to purchase soon and the sole Saab model is a 2008 9-3 Turbo X.

nzsaab

10-07-2009, 05:08 AM

A game with a Turbo X on it! Jesus must have created that game with his bare hands! (Was always a wise fellow). I will have to have a go at that game when youve got it.

nzsaab

10-09-2009, 11:18 PM

Important Announcement!

Dear readers of Saab in China thread,

I would like to take this opportunity to tell you about a new venture of mine. As of last night, a new website of mine was launched, New Zealand Saab.

New Zealand Saab is a website for owners and enthusiasts about the world of Saab and offer information about Saab products.

Features of the website include:

-Model Information

-History of Saab

-Polls

-Owners Forum

-NZ and Global Saab news

-NZ Dealer Locater

-Interestng Saab photographs

-Saab ownership stories (send yours to nzsaab@yahoo.co.nz for publishing on the website.)

plus heaps more as I get the time.

Please go to http://www.nzsaab.weebly.com

If you have any questions or comments please send me an email at nzsaab@yahoo.co.nz

Thankyou for your time,

NZ SAAB

Rally Red Lancer GTS

10-10-2009, 11:51 AM

Thanks, nzsaab. I will keep your site in mind for perusing at a later date, OK? It would no doubt be a great source for all things new with Saab.

nzsaab

10-10-2009, 08:15 PM

Thank you Rally Red Lancer GTS, it certainly will be a great source of information. Although it is not intended as a global news website for Saab like saabsunited.com is, my website is more for the owners and enthusiasts to provide them with updated information on new and used Saab models. I also intend on setting up forums as well. I will post updates here on China Car Forums so you know whats happening.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

10-12-2009, 02:49 PM

Will keep checking back, nzsaab. Thanks for the information.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

10-18-2009, 05:27 AM

http://www.carspace.com/iluvmysephia1/Albums/iluvmysephia1%27s%20Album/2010Saab9-5frontsmallr2.jpg/photo/v./photo.jpg

Hey, nzsaab, I just came upon another little design detail that's cool about the new 2010 Saab 9-5 Aero. Check out the wheel hubcenters. There's the tiny blue and red Saab colors in there. Only really small, so it doesn't deter from the overall look of silver-ish-ness that really looks hot to trot on this car, might I add.

To say I wasn't interested in this car would be oh-so-naughty.

nzsaab

10-20-2009, 03:28 AM

Thank you Rally Red Lancer GTS for your comments, Im so very pleased you are excited about the launch of the 2010 Saab 9-5 Sedan. This car has sooooo much potential for out standing sales success.

The success of the new 9-3x is crucial to the current limited cashflow Saab has in the short-term and to pay for prep for the production of the all-new 9-5 early next year.

Once the 9-5 Sedan production is in full swing and orders flowing through Saab will have enough income to launch the long awaited 9-5 SportEstate and like the Sedan is going to impress, no doubt.

Expected production of the estate is 2011 followed later in the year by the Mexican built Saab 9-4x crossover CUV. The revised and final facelift of the current generation 9-3 is scheduled for 2014 but dont hold your breath, ALOT of work needs doing on that project and Saab's team are working on the short term issue of selling what they offer now to sustain lasting in business until 2014!

From what I have heard the 9-3x is quickly becoming a rageing success in Europe (obviously not the USA where owing estates are like drinking poison there). Come to think of it, Im not even sure if the USA is offering the 9-3x yet!

Australia is getting hyped for the 9-3x. While we are on the topic of OZ I noticed sales were over 150 Saab's last month, which is promissing.

Saab's new advertising campaign

Here is the link to the launch of Saab's new look logo and 'story' about how they are innovative and independent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crn33G4eUdo

Saab's new 9-3x advert can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hc0buYIZXI

Finally here is a glimpse of the 2011 Saab 9-5 SportEstate:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/06/from_the_saab_showroom_of_the_future/Saab%209-5%20estate%20covered.jpg

nzsaab

10-20-2009, 03:33 AM

Saab 9-5 - Official Running Footage Released!!!!

http://www.carblog.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/2010-saab-9-5_1.jpg

Click on the link to youtube below and check out this beautiful video of the 2010 Saab 9-5 showing off how sexy it is on the road!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGlmU5COCrI

nzsaab

11-01-2009, 10:13 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SsTeIUp-WeI/AAAAAAACHF8/xg5GwI-ZSxU/s800/2009-Saab-9-5-0.jpg

nzsaab

11-03-2009, 01:55 AM

Saab 9-3 SportSedan review

A review from ShiftMetal in the UK, I thought it was rather good.

http://www.shiftmetal.co.uk/video/105/SAAB-9-3-review

nzsaab

11-03-2009, 03:29 AM

Just to let fans of mine know that I have heavily updated my NZ Saab website: www.nzsaab.weebly.com

I have been very busy lately so things there have been very much unfinished but Im working on it when time permits.

Now there are several opinion polls as to what Saab owners and lovers think of the brands operations in NZ.

I have completed the product information pages on the 9-5 Sedan and SportEstate however I have only just begun on the 9-3 family. The 9-5 family which I have completed now boast a gallery of photographs as well as information on production and links to the Saab NZ website.

Watch out, theres still more to come at NZ SAAB.

nzsaab

11-23-2009, 11:15 PM

2010 BMW 5 Series Launched - Saab Is Waiting

Saab's competitor BMW has launched its 2010 5 Series!
The 5 series is due to hit showrooms in March so the 2010 9-5 will be going head to head.

Prices for both cars are not known yet.

Here is the 2010 BMW 5 Series

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/11/new_bmw_5er_sets_a_heady_standard_for_2010_saab_9-5/BMW_5-Series_front_largeday.jpg

Here is the 2010 Saab 9-5

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/2010_saab_9-5_official_image_mega_gallery/1300521_scr.jpg

Now whos interior is best?

BMW:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/11/new_bmw_5er_sets_a_heady_standard_for_2010_saab_9-5/BMW_5-Series_interior.jpg

Saab:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/09/2010_saab_9-5_-_the_su_review_part_2/9-5_panel_scr.jpg

In my opinion the BMW interior looks a little messy, namely the centre console. I personally think the photo of the interior with this colour is not flatering.

From the opinions of those who have driven the Saab 9-5, they say the 2010 interior is well put together and the materials are a1 which is great to hear.

Saab will offer a lane departure warning system, active cruise control and head up display plus heaps more. According to SaabsUnited its the best equiped Saab ever!

Im feeling confident that Saab are prepared to sucessfully take on BMW and Audi in the base medium level of this market.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

11-24-2009, 08:23 AM

I'd pick the Saab's interior hands down because I think it would hold up better over time. My wife and I and 2 Pomeranians and one Chow Chow, although the dogs wouldn't go with us very often at all, would pepper up that BMW interior and it would look nasty within about 3 months. The 2010 Saab 9-5 Aero's interior looks like it would work out much better for us.

As to the exterior it's an easy victory for Saab and their 9-5 here as well. That headlamp cluster looks way more attractive than BMW's 5 Series does.

nzsaab

11-24-2009, 05:50 PM

Thanks you Rally Red Lancer GTS, I knew you would be like me and choose the 9-5. Its simply a better car all round.

However if you want HEAPS of gadgets that take you a years worth of reading up to work and cost you a massive bundle of cash, go for the BMW.

Also if you want massive engines with heaps of power go for the BMW because Saab's image is for small efficient and powerful engines.

nzsaab

11-25-2009, 05:50 AM

Koenigsegg Backs Out Of Saab Deal

Last minute announcement from Koenigsegg has revealed they are nolonger interested in purchasing Saab Automobile. The site the long time spent on securing finance the main reason for pulling out.

Its late so perhaps more info next time. For now, maybe its best that this photoshop never happened.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/58000/Koenigsegg-SAAB--58202.jpg

Rally Red Lancer GTS

11-25-2009, 12:02 PM

nzsaab-I have indeed confirmed your Saab news concerning Koenigsegg pulling out of the deal to buy Saab from GM. GM officials are saying they're not giving up hope. Ouch.

Goldjason

11-25-2009, 09:37 PM

Last minute announcement from Koenigsegg has revealed they are nolonger interested in purchasing Saab Automobile. The site the long time spent on securing finance the main reason for pulling out.

Its late so perhaps more info next time. For now, maybe its best that this photoshop never happened.

It is a sad event to see a once great european marquis go to waste. If I had the financial resources I believe it is possible to make the "phoenix rise from its ashes".
Saab had a sad and troubled history and bad luck. From great engineering it went into the hands of financial managers who were more interested in the bottom line than making high quality products . Its precipitious fall started about the same time it was acquired by GM. It is hard to figure out whether it was simply bad engineering or bankers taking over control of the company that destroyed it. Anyone remember the infamous Saab 900 with the V6 engine ?.
It destroyed the image of Saab, thanks to GM. Please correct me if I am wrong in the following details; GM did not want to design a new engine themselves. So they bought a new engine design from a Japanese truck manufacturer and had the engine built in the UK. The car went on the market for less than two years and it was discontinued. No Saab dealer who is familiar with this engine wants to have anything to do with it. This same engine was also used in the European Opel, Vauxhall and the American Saturn models.

As someone who has driven Saabs all his life including MBs, BMW and VW and who is also technically well acquainted with their designs and short comings it breaks my heart to see a great automobile put to the dust by uncreative but analytically savvy managers. Today the 9-5s are poor sellers in the US but if the Chinese can buy up the company and inject new leadership the brand may have a chance again, who knows.

KiwiGuy

11-26-2009, 05:18 PM

BAIC to go alone for Saab?

From China Car Times:
Are BAIC planning to go solo to take over Saab since the deal between Koenigsegg-BAIC and GM fell through? Although BAIC is flush with cash from their Mercedes and Hyundai JV’s, we doubt they have the ability to take over Saab. Reuters seems to have a similar idea:

Reuters:

GUANGZHOU, China (Reuters) – China’s automakers may dominate their home market, now the world’s largest, but the collapse of the sale of Saab to a Chinese-backed group shows it will be a bumpy ride for them to build a global profile.

Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Corp (BAIC) ranks 10th among China’s automakers, who are looking for a short cut to the global market by snapping up assets from distressed Western giants such as General Motors.

The Chinese generally churn out low-end cars for the booming domestic market and lack the technology and management and marketing expertise to handle global brands.

At this week’s Guangzhou Autoshow in southern China, many of these homegrown car makers boasted of record sales this year and more growth next year, but these mainly young manufacturers are not yet ready to take on seasoned global giants such as Toyota Motor, GM and Volkswagen.

“Their products are focused on the low-end market and cannot meet requirements of the western world, such as Europe,” said Zhang Jing, an analyst at Phillip Securities. “They can’t even get an entrance permit and there’s still a long way to go.”

Reflecting the difficulties the Chinese face, the BAIC-backed consortium said on Tuesday it was dropping its Saab bid, throwing that venerable brand’s future into doubt and leaving the Chinese automaker to weigh its next move.

The next test case will be Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery, a little-known machinery maker, which agreed to buy the gas-guzzling Hummer marque from GM. It hopes to close the deal by late this year or in early 2010.

Zhejiang Geely Holding, parent of Hong Kong-listed Geely Automobile, is bidding for Ford’s loss-making Volvo cars unit.

While most of China’s automakers have focused solely on the home market, some have begun exporting to developing countries in Africa, the Middle East and South America.

Now, the global financial crisis is providing them with a possible short cut to the world market, where well-known brands such as Volvo, Opel, Saab and Hummer are up for grabs as part of a major global restructuring.

BAIC initially wanted to gain access to Saab’s vehicle technology via the indirect link of taking a stake in small Swedish luxury car maker Koenigsegg, which bid for the Swedish brand. BAIC would then help revive Saab by increasing its vehicle sales in China.

Analysts say the Chinese firm may still bid for some Saab assets, but was unlikely to go solo on bidding for the company.

nzsaab

11-28-2009, 06:36 PM

Thankyou for your post KiwiGuy & GoldJason,

To GoldJason, you have taught me new things about the V6 in the 900. I always new there was a V6 900 as Ive seen many myself and always thought they were good performers. (Peronsaly if I was in the market for a used 900 I would look for the V6 exclusively.)

To KiwiGuy, thanks for your post. To my current knowledge, GM are very wary about BAIC buying Saab as its came to the attention of GM that BAIC were wanting to get into the technical GM stuff rather than the Saab brand. BAIC's requirements to get into Saab and thus GM's technical knowhow is said to be the reason the deal with big K collapsed.

I really hope someone saves Saab. When the 9-4x is released worldwide around 2011-2012 I plan to lease a 9-4x. Any suggestions on colour?

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/10745273/163_news081008_00z+saab_94x_biopower_concept+front _view.jpg

nzsaab

11-28-2009, 10:51 PM

Saab Automobile AB's Trollhatten Factory Build First Saab 9-5 Sedan

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/11/first_new_saab_9-5_produced/First%202010%20Saab%209-5.jpg

This is the first of the production version of the all new 2010 Saab 9-5 Sedan to roll off the Trollhatten production line. Unfortunatly its not destined to roll into my driveway just yet.

nzsaab

11-28-2009, 11:07 PM

Saab's European Tour Hits Turbulance While On Cloud Nine - The Fasten Belts Light Is On!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2068/2213693782_1336f39cf5.jpg

Saab's European Tour of the all new 2010 Saab 9-5 Sedan has hit a rough patch while on cloud nine following the Koenigsegg deal to buy Saab from General Motors collapsing.

The European Tour has just completed its leg in Austria and was scheduled for Athens, Greece, however it has now been cancelled. Italy was next on the list and it is unsure if the European Tour will commence.

nzsaab

11-28-2009, 11:18 PM

2011 Saab 9-5 SportCombi Spotted On The Roads!

http://spyshots.nl/userfiles/image/artikel/600/Saab-9-5-Estate-002_091126141417.JPG

Doesnt she look sweet!!!!!!

http://spyshots.nl/userfiles/image/artikel/600/Saab-9-5-Estate-005_091126141420.JPG

http://spyshots.nl/userfiles/image/artikel/600/Saab-9-5-Estate-003_091126141418.JPG

I have heard Saab are contemplating a 9-5x SportCombi! That would nock the socks off alot of competitors, however I cant see that happening in the coming 2 or 3 years. Saab have bigger fish to fry. . . Or cockles!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/10/saab_o_the_eek/SeaSaab.jpg

Rally Red Lancer GTS

11-29-2009, 10:55 AM

Now that is a true musclecar! Phew!

That first 9-5 for 2010 is lookin' good, too. Hope somebody buys them so business can continue.

KiwiGuy

11-29-2009, 03:57 PM

Hi, nzsaab

I really hope someone saves Saab. When the 9-4x is released worldwide around 2011-2012 I plan to lease a 9-4x. Any suggestions on colour?

I would suggest a nice dark black or grey. It would look hot.
Also, keep the tinted windows but have a polar white and black custom mag wheels. That would look awesome.

KiwiGuy

11-29-2009, 04:23 PM

Sorry, this is a bit off topic, but I could not resist.
There is a driver simulator game called Forza 3 and in this game, they have two Saab models: the 9-3 Turbo Viggen and the 9-3 Turbo X. I have the later and will post pics soon.

Here's some other gamers Saabs
http://forzamotorsport.net/game/gallery/detail/default.htm?photoid=3059937&page=17
http://forzamotorsport.net/game/gallery/detail/default.htm?photoid=3059308&page=41
http://forzamotorsport.net/game/gallery/detail/default.htm?photoid=3058093&page=71
http://forzamotorsport.net/game/gallery/detail/default.htm?photoid=3057913&page=88

KiwiGuy

11-29-2009, 04:29 PM

More:
http://forzamotorsport.net/game/gallery/detail/default.htm?photoid=3057781&page=92
http://i608.photobucket.com/albums/tt166/FranticMunky/Forza%203/Saab.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3481/4038444224_975db00d3f.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2503/4037695727_c29a1fef7e.jpg

nzsaab

11-29-2009, 10:18 PM

KiwiGuy - response to 9-4x comments

Below is not all the colours to be made availible, be sure to expect about 11 different colours. However heres 4.

http://www.trollhattansaab.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/saab9-4xcolors.jpg

nzsaab

11-29-2009, 10:21 PM

Wow Kiwiguy, those pictures are very attractive! Would love to play that game sometime.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

11-30-2009, 11:33 PM

I'm a sucka for a red 2010 Saab 9-5, boys!

nzsaab

12-01-2009, 08:46 PM

Thats a great choice, I have seen photos of the 2010 9-5 Sedan in Red and its is very nice indeed. Prob my choice for the 9-5 Aero. Red looks fast and very sporty.

Just an update on my website. The 2009 Model Range page is now complete:

http://nzsaab.weebly.com/the-2009-nz-range.html

Feel free to take a squiz at whats on offer in New Zealand and read my little comments for each model. After I read what I wrote Im now convinced I should be writing the sales brouchers!

KiwiGuy

12-02-2009, 01:57 AM

My preview of my 2008 Saab 9-3 Turbo X on Forza 3
http://forzamotorsport.net/game/gallery/detail/default.htm?photoid=3145437

nzsaab

12-02-2009, 04:59 AM

Nice one there KiwiGuy, although I must point out there are a few issues with that game! The Turbo-X was only availible in Black with a black interior and very crazy looking 3 spoke style wheels.

The car in the pic is silver!

KiwiGuy

12-02-2009, 05:36 PM

The original model came in black, and that was the colour I brought it in but my one is actually modified. Different front end, colour and wheels and can do almost 300km/h. Acutally, it also has a different rear bumper and side skirts, racing suspension and some twesking with the engine.

Did you not notice the aftermarket front end, nzsaab?

nzsaab

12-02-2009, 08:46 PM

Yes I did notice the aftermarket front end, I must say I dont really like it. Very plastic looking.

KiwiGuy

12-05-2009, 05:50 PM

More pics of my Saab
http://forzamotorsport.net/game/gallery/detail/default.htm?photoid=3214435
http://forzamotorsport.net/game/gallery/detail/default.htm?photoid=3214409

nzsaab

12-06-2009, 07:05 PM

Im glad to see you are enjoying the 9-3 on this game! I hope the gamer people have made the game as similar to the real thing as possible. I have V8 Super Cars Race Driver and there is a 9-5 Aero HOT on that and its good but could be more realistic.

Have you heard of a new pc game out called GM Rally?

http://softall.com.ua/uploads/photos/2009/01/26/gm_rally_2009rusfullrepack616_mb1.jpg

http://images4.gry-online.pl/Galeria/Galeria_duze2/9657796.jpg

http://games.cnews.ru/trophy/screens/gm_rally/aai.jpg

http://stopgame.ru/files/screenshots/9120/gm_rally-4.jpg
You can even have it in Russian!

I would kill to own this game! It includes 9-7x, 9-2x, 9-3 Sedan, 9-5 Sedan and other GM cars like Chevy

KiwiGuy

12-07-2009, 04:14 PM

BAIC gets 2.9 Billion USD from Bank of China. Saab purchase soon?

From China Car Times and Reuters:
Early reports from Reuters are reporting that BAIC, Beijing Automotive Industry Corporation, has received a 2.9 Billion USD credit line from the Bank of China which could indicate that a solo bid on Saab is in the pipes after the deal in which Koenigsegg would take on Saab with BAIC help fell through:

Reuters reports:

BEIJING, Dec 4 (Reuters) – Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Corp (BAIC) has obtained a 20 billion yuan ($2.93 billion) line of credit from the Bank of China (601988.SS)(3988.HK), the bank said on Friday.

BAIC has said it might still be interested in buying General Motors’ [GM.UL] Saab unit, after a consortium led by tiny Swedish luxury car maker Koenigsegg, pulled out of talks last week. BAIC was a member of that consortium.[ID:nPEK20085]

BAIC declined to comment.

Major Chinese carmakers are hungry for money to upgrade their technologies, expand production scale and eventually tap into the global market, and it is reasonable for Chinese banks, controlled by the government, to provide them with liquidity.

The credit that BAIC, China’s fifth-biggest carmaker, gets is seen enough to boost the production scale of the Beijing-based automaker, which does not even have its own car brand.

Its four-year old Mercedes-Benz car venture with Daimler AG (DAIGn.DE) broke even last year and its tie-up with Hyundai Motor Co (005380.KS) has a long way to go before catching up with top players in the market such as Volkswagen AG (VOWG.DE).

“Twenty billion yuan is more than enough for production expansion,” said Li Chunbo, an analyst with CITIC Securities.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

12-07-2009, 04:36 PM

Well, good then. Does that mean a new 2010 Saab 9-5 would come to America as an import from China, then? No other assembly plants anywhere else for Saab?

KiwiGuy

12-07-2009, 05:37 PM

There used to be, but they either closed or production was shifted back to Sweden. It may be the case for Saabs having to be imported from China but only newer models since closing down and moving production from Sweden to China would mean that loads of jobs and money from the local economy would be lost and it would not go down well with the Swedish public or the government. The 9-5 as you mentioned, Rally Red Lancer GTS, probably will still be produced in Sweden for the European and American markets with additional production for Chinese market, should the purchase go ahead.

chabbu

12-08-2009, 08:31 AM

It is rumored that Geely may bid for Saab as well.
Rebadged SMA Maples as budget Saabs anyone?

KiwiGuy

12-08-2009, 03:12 PM

Geely is no longer bidding for Saab anymore. They are trying to buy Volvo instead.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

12-08-2009, 04:17 PM

KiwiGuy, thanks for that explanation. I needed a bit of a news report for Saab to sort of put all of these changes for the Swedish automaker in to a current frame. I appreciate it. I do believe the Saab 9-5 Aero would look nice in my driveway but unless Barack can offer a rebate on it (see what happens when our U.S. domestic automakers get handed blank checks) I'm thinking it just plain costs too much. Plus, I love my wife and I's '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS so much it would pain me to leave it.

I just love discovering new rigs, though, and the new 2010 Saab 9-5 Aero looks fantastic to me. I don't know, there may still be a way for us to do dis.

KiwiGuy

12-09-2009, 09:09 PM

Are there any tarriffs on importing cars straight from Europe into the United States?

nzsaab

12-10-2009, 12:56 AM

Response to KiwiGuy

There used to be, but they either closed or production was shifted back to Sweden. It may be the case for Saabs having to be imported from China but only newer models since closing down and moving production from Sweden to China would mean that loads of jobs and money from the local economy would be lost and it would not go down well with the Swedish public or the government. The 9-5 as you mentioned, Rally Red Lancer GTS, probably will still be produced in Sweden for the European and American markets with additional production for Chinese market, should the purchase go ahead.

It seems I havent been as active on this thread as I would like. I should have been making things clear for all you readers. Sorry to all.

Ok, in response to the production questions:

Saab Automobile AB has recently moved all production to its Trollhatten plant in Sweden.

Heres the story (of my own knowledge) dating back a decade and to the future:

List is divided by model.

Second Gen Saab 900, 5-door and 3-door - Assembly in Trollhatten Sweden began in 1993 upto 1998 when production ceased.

Second Gen Saab 900, Convertible - Assembly on contract to Finland. Began (not sure, maybe 1995 or 96) ceased in 2003
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lsyt_wQ2awY/SLQL2iuTgmI/AAAAAAAAXbA/rc_TJCcuxAI/s400/Saab-900_Convertible_1997_800x600_wallpaper_09.jpg

First Gen Saab 9-3, 5-door and 3-door - Assembly in Trollhatten Sweden began in 1997 and ended in 2002

First Gen Saab 9-3, Convertible - Assembly on contract to Finland. Began 1998 ceased in 2003

Saab 9000 CS, 5-door - Assembly in Trollhatten Sweden, began 1993 ceased in 1997
http://www.saabhistory.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/saab_9000_cs.jpg

First Gen Saab 9-5, Sedan and SportEstate - Assembly at Trollhatten Sweden. Sedan began in 1997 and ceased in 2009. SportEstate began in 1998 and is still in production. There have been 3 revisions (facelifts) to the original 1997 Sedan and 1998 SportEstate. The 9-5 was reported to be moved to be assembled in Germany at the Opel plant last year, however this never happened.

Second Gen Saab 9-3, SportSedan - Assembly at Trollhatten Sweden. Began in 2002 and is still in production to date. There has been 2 revisions of this model. The 9-3 was reported to be moved to be assembled in Germany at the Opel plant last year, however this never happened

Second Gen Saab 9-3, Convertible - Assembly on contract to Magna in Austria. Began in 2003 and ceased 2009. Production has now moved to Trollhatten Sweden where production will reopen in a few weeks.

Second Gen Saab 9-3, SportCombi - Assembly at Trollhatten Sweden. Began 2006 and is current. The 9-3 was reported to be moved to be assembled in Germany at the Opel plant last year, however this never happened.

First Gen Saab 9-2x - Assembly at Fuji Heavy Industries Japan. Began 2004 ceased 2006.

First Gen Saab 9-7x SUV - Assembly at GM Truck Plant in Ohio, USA. Began 2004 ceased December 2008.

Second Gen Saab 9-3, TurboX - Assembly at Trollhatten Sweden. Began 2008 ceased 2008.

Second Gen Saab 9-3, 9-3X - Assembly at Trollhatten Sweden. Began 2009 and is current.

Second Gen Saab 9-5, Sedan - Assembly at Trollhatten Sweden. Began 2009 to current. Production was originally intended to be in Germany however with the sale of Saab in the future, costs can be saved if atleast 90% Saab production is in centralised Sweden and ensures jobs for locals.

First Gen Saab 9-4x, CUV - Assembly in Mexico. Due to begin 2011. There are no plans for this model to be moved to Sweden because the majority of SUV and CUV vehicles is in North America.

Secon Gen Saab 9-5, SportEstate - Assembly in Trollhatten Sweden. Due to begin 2011. (Read Second gen Saab 9-5 Sedan above.)

Third Gen Saab 9-3 - Does anyone care? Thats not going to happen for years!

Im sure an interesting read is above for most.

It is open that Chinese production of old Saab models may occur and yes the new 9-5 may be produced in addition to Sweden. Here goes:

-BAIC have already purchased Saab's tooling for the Saab 9-3 Sedan model 2002-2006. (its slightly different to the current one, but not by much) This vehicle will not be a Saab car in China, it will receieve somebody elses logo and will look very different.
-BAIC are said to take the tooling of the outgoing 9-5 to China if the deal goes through to buy Saab. The old 9-5 will also not be a Saab. It will be another brand of car.
-It makes sense to produce the new 9-5 in China as this is the worlds biggest market and local production reduces costs. It has been mentioned that all Saab's markets on this side of the world, eg. New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Japan, Korea will recieve Chinese made second gen 9-5's! But only if BAIC buys Saab.

Hope this helps ya'll!

Rally Red Lancer GTS

12-10-2009, 07:45 PM

Thanks, nzsaab, that helped me a whole bunch. I will continue to come to this thread to learn as changes come about.

chabbu

12-14-2009, 12:52 PM

Geely is no longer bidding for Saab anymore. They are trying to buy Volvo instead.

No, I mean it was rumored that Geely was AGAIN interested in SAAB, but I don't know how serious they are.

KiwiGuy

12-14-2009, 03:46 PM

BAIC buys 3 Saab platforms and 2 Turbo engines

From China Car Times:

Both foreign and domestic Chinese media reports this afternoon indicated that BAIC has successfully purchase two platforms and two turbo powered engines from bankrupt car maker Saab.

The Chinese media are reporting that the Saab 9-3 and Saab 9-5 have been snapped up by Beijing Automotive Industry Corporation, turbo assisted engines as well as gearboxes and various pieces of IPR have been included in GM’s firesale.

At various automotive shows in 2009 and 2008 BAIC has shown off an impressive range of concept cars that it plans to put into production within the next few years, now that it has easy access to a range of platforms, engines, and gearboxes it may be able to skip a massive step in its R&D process. The 9-3 and 9-5 are expected to be produced in China under the Beijing Auto brand.

However, the Saab saga doesn’t end here, other media outlets are reporting that a further fight maybe on for the rights to the rest of the Saab. SAIC are reportedly interested in entering the fray, they may even be granted favored status by their JV partner and Saab owner GM

KiwiGuy

12-14-2009, 03:59 PM

I wonder what the Chinese call "chronic torque steer":laugh:

Rally Red Lancer GTS

12-18-2009, 07:55 PM

nzsaab and KiwiGuy-by now I'm sure you already know this but I'll report on it anyway. GM has given the axe to Saab. The deal to sell to Spyker has indeed failed.

http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1040404_gm-shutters-saab-as-attempts-to-sell-fail

http://images.thecarconnection.com/sml/image_100302005_s.jpg

nzsaab

12-20-2009, 11:36 PM

http://media.mlive.com/auto_impact/photo/091124-saab-gmjpg-4842e56114dedb9f.jpg

Good day Rally Red Lancer GTS - Enter NZSAAB for his view . . .

Kia Ora all, GM HAS ANNOUNCED WIND DOWN OF SAAB AUTOMOBILE AB as of JAN 1 2010

This is a sad day for all us Saab owners and enthusiasts.

BUT WAIT! - THAT WAS YESTERDAY! THINGS HAVE CHANGED AGAIN!

A little bird informed me today that Spyker are back in the game with a revised 8 point plan on buying Saab Automobile AB from General Motors Corp.

It was GM that backed out on the deal, not Spyker. GM was worried because one of Spykers major backers is Russian and yankies dont like vodka addicts so GM pulled out. It was said that the contracts for Spyker and GM to sign on the line for purchase were on a plane in Sweden (probably a Saab 340 or 2000) enroute to the venue of signing. When GM yelled NEJ!(swedish for no)

GM have said they will consider more offers between now and wind down so lets hope they accept Spykers buyout offer.

Im thinking so what if Spyker buys Saab and the whole thing collapses in the next few years, atleast the 9-5 and 9-4x came out! I just think it would be a shame if the 9-5 and 9-4x were never built.

Im interested in your take on this KiwiGuy

KiwiGuy

12-21-2009, 04:16 PM

It all depends on whether Spyker can get in there before BAIC can make its mind up. Spyker is only a small firm which makes luxury sports cars and I wouldn't think it has that much money since its sole model, the C8, has been in production in small numbers for about four or five years. However, these cars don't come cheap, so maybe it does have the money to pruchase Saab.

Here's what Spyker makes: the C8
http://www.spykerowner.com/forum/spyker-discussion/17-exclusive-new-c8-lwb.html

Compare this to Saab and you will find it is a bit of an oxymoron.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

12-21-2009, 04:17 PM

I'll give you my take, nzsaab. I hope the Spyker deal goes through, too, because I'd also like to see at least the 9-5 Aero built, man. Let's hope for the best, GM's self-imposed deadline is the end of Dec.2009 to get this done.

KiwiGuy

12-22-2009, 03:11 PM

I don't get what you mean about Americans not liking Russians. Chrysler recently sold some tooling to Russian manufacturer GAZ to produce the previous generation Chrysler Sebring as the Volga Siber. Chevrolet sells cars in Russia, albeit they are Daewoos and, as you well know, Boeing is finding a big market with Russian airlines.

General Motors is still reeling after the massive budget cuts as part of the bailout package. They can't afford to mess around selling companies to manufacturers with little or no business credentials if it means that GM will make a loss out of the deal.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

12-22-2009, 07:12 PM

But just liquidating assets is a losing deal for GM. They need to find a buyer to get the most out of their Saab "investment", eh?

nzsaab

12-26-2009, 04:12 AM

KiwiGuy

What I can confirm from inside Saab is that the reasons for General Motors to pull out of the first deal with Spyker were concerns with the Russian backer somone Antonov (nothing to do with the Russian aircaft maker Antonov that I know). Its tied up with a Russian bank. Gets very messy.

Another concern was also what you raised. Money. It was made higly public by european media that Sypker had no money and its true and not. The manufacturer probably doesnt have much money in its accounts but thats not to say its investors dont.

Part of the deal to buy Saab Automobile from GM is that Spyker have enough cash to "clinch the deal" so to speak before 31st Dec 09. However they dont have enough cash to run Saab long term so its planed to go for loans from most likely the European Bank during early next year to fully buyout Saab.

Long story short. Spyker have met all the issues that have arisen from the first deal that went wrong after GM pulled out. Spyker have removed the Russian backer from the deal as I know.

Its messy to explain everything in one go.

You (readers of China Car Forums) are welcome to put clear questions to me and I will answer them like a press conference. Use Bold for the question to me

nzsaab

12-26-2009, 04:13 AM

oh and about the Russian thing, I agree with you Kiwiguy. GM are just making excuses. From what Ive heard GM really would rather see Saab die because Saab currently posseses alot of new GM technology that a new buyer would gain ownership of. Basicly they would fight GM with GM's tech. GM dont want that.

nzsaab

12-26-2009, 04:21 AM

I Have No Comment

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/12/medium/4631973.jpg

nzsaab

12-27-2009, 09:44 PM

2010 Saab 9-5 May Become Buick for USA only! - NZSAAB IS OUTRAGED

I have recieved news that GM is considering its options for Saab's assets which include its "soon to come" model range.

GM is planning to rebadge the 2010 9-5 Sedan and offer it in the USA and Canada as a Buick model!

GM is also considering to rebadge it as a premium speced Opel.

It has been reported that General Motors are seeing more benifits long term in shutting down Saab than selling it. Yes it will cost around 2Billion US dollars to close Saab completly over 5 years however GM will retain its technology and capitilize on Saabs other assets such as offices, dealer networks etc.

I would imagine the 9-4x would simply be cancelled and not rebadged into anything because it is already a sister of a Cadillac model. The refinements and more premium changes Saab made to that platform will most likely be implemented into the facelift of the Cadillac model.

Saab have 2000 new cars ordered awaiting manufacturer which will have to be assembled so production in Trollhatten will continue next year however new orders will not be taken after December 31.

The Saab 9-3 Convertible will begin production in Trollhatten for the first time in Jan to fulfill the orders already placed.

The Saab 9-3 SportSedan and SportCombi will continue to fullfill orders and the model range drops the V6 Turbo for 2010.

The Saab 9-5 SportEstate will fulfill its small remaining orders and tooling will begin being dismantled to be shipped to China for BAIC.

The Saab 9-3x will continue to fullfill orders from this year.

The Saab 9-5 Sedan tooling which is almost fully complete will sit pending what will happen to it next. There are 3 options:

- 1. it stays in Trollhatten and produces a rebadged version only of the 9-5 as a Buick for America.
- 2. It stays in Trollhatten following a sucessful sale to Spyker or other
- 3. It gets packed up and shipped to USA to assemble Buicks on home soil.

GM's global portfolio of Premium Brands officially consists as of today Cadillac and Hummer (Saab was removed following the stock purchase agreement with the big K.) Hummer is in the process of sale to China so that leaves Cadillac to fulfill GM's premium market worldwide!

Cadillac is currently very small in Europe however the closure of Saab means GM will no longer have to fork out money to promote two premium brands in Europe meaning GM Europe has more money for Cadillac. Cadillac could take the place of Saab at dealers all over Europe and around the world.

Cadillac was meant to enter the Australian market this year however GM Holden (Which owns and operates the GM Premium Brands portfolio in Australia NZ) pushed the entry back due to low sales of all cars across Oz. It is likely now with the absense of Saab Automobile's new car sales at selected Australian GM Holden dealers Cadillac will simply enter Saabs empty showrooms.

KiwiGuy

12-27-2009, 10:27 PM

Yes, because GM already has its own luxury brand which sells in china as well: Cadillac. Apparently, Cadillacs have improved in quality in the same timeframe that Saab has declined. However, it doesn't help sales when everyone yawns loudly when a new 9-5 is shown to the public.

My new verdict (even though it is off topic): Fleet car.

nzsaab

12-28-2009, 04:27 AM

KiwiGuy

Im somewhat confused with what you have commented above.

Im amused at how you so very much enjoy taking a stab at Saab and its models because you know I get defensive and fight back with facts about how wrong you are so here goes!

You are correct, Saab's build quality has slipped in recent years. You know why? Because General Motors oredered Saab to cut costs. They began in 2003 to be exact. General Motors was shocked to realise Saab had spent around 300 million US dollars developing the 9-3 Sedan and Convertible and 2.0 turbo engine that GM threatened to shut Saab down if it didnt reduce costs from there on in. Here are some examples:

-Saab was forced to cut the 9-5 production in 2003 from two shifts to one and merge final assembly with the 9-3 Sedan.
-GM forced Saab into spending its product development allowance (which was intended on developing a 9-5 replacement in 2003-4) on developing a new fast to market model, the 9-2x with Fuji Heavy Industries. Because the 9-2x was basicly an improved and restyled Impreza there was development money left over so a cross over suv based on the Subaru Tribica was developed as the 9-6x, however GM sold its 8% stake in Fuji Heavy Industries and Saab was forced to borrow the GM360 platform and also borrow the Oldsmobile Bravada body to create the 9-7x SUV.
-2004 saw Saabs interior quality slip in the 9-5 with the replacement of vynal dashboards with hard plastic and lesser quality leather in all models to reduce costs.
-Due to GM wanting Saab to create two quick market models rather than replace an existing model with an all new one Saab had no money left for developing the all new 9-5 and we ended up with the Dame Edna 9-5 instead.
-GM cancelled several varients of the 9-3 range that Saab proposed including a coupe. A crossover wagon was put on hold and didnt arrive until this year!

In short, its not Saab's fault its quality was bad, its GM's.

Cadillac's current portfolio doesnt really suit the conditions and requirents of most Europeans. The vehicles are too big and lack what Saab's vehicles offered. The Saab based BLS could have been a big hit had GM had more dealers.

Im not sure what you meant about 'fleet car'. I could write a whole page on facts about fleet cars but I will only do that if my readers request!

KiwiGuy

12-28-2009, 06:48 PM

About the Buick comment. I thought it was quite funny. You do realize, nzsaab, that outside China and some small Arab kingdoms, Buicks are brought by old people. Maybe this rumoured 9-5 production in the US by Buick to get in the "youth orinetated" sector of the market to compete with companies like Toyota and Honda.

My description of a fleet car is this. A fleet car is designed as dull as a bucket of beige paint, to be like the auotmotive equivalent of a ham and cheese sandwich. Just look at any Audi, BMW or Mercedes or Toyota.

nzsaab

12-28-2009, 10:38 PM

Well if Buick use everything the 9-5 Aero was intended for I think it would be out of Toyota and Hondas league. More Lexus and Acura.

Ill let you know here and now that I enjoy ham and cheese sandwiches as you may recall from college. (remember the beef schnitzel?)

Rally Red Lancer GTS

12-29-2009, 09:38 PM

Whoo-hoo! My Grandpa used to love and drive Buick's. And now if GM is gonna produce a Saab 9-5 Aero sedan and sell it as a Buick I may be carrying on the family heritage in a grand way then. Makes me tickle up all pink and silly over the whole thing.

Y'all realize what this means? It means you can still buy a Saab 9-5 Aero! I hope they stick to this.

nzsaab

01-01-2010, 03:37 AM

Rally Red Lancer GTS

Im glad your impressed about the Buick idea, I dont reccomend saying that on saabsunited.com

Yes you may get the 9-5 in Buick form but the rest of the world misses out all together. I would rather hope GM decide to sell or retain the Saab brand over simply liquidating the company and rebranding cars that Swedes have worked so hard to complete.

claod

01-01-2010, 10:55 AM

Since BAIC has taken over Saab 9-3 and 9-5, here are some good pictures of the Saab factory inside pictures (scroll down a bit then you see)

http://www.cluntan.com/auto/viewthread.php?tid=294

Rally Red Lancer GTS

01-01-2010, 12:10 PM

nzsaab-I agree with you totally, man. It's kinda cheap to hail the Buick idea, I know. So sorry about what's happened and it's really a lame situation for such a good carmaker to be in. Bites the big one big-time.

KiwiGuy

01-01-2010, 04:15 PM

GM extends excecution date for Saab

According to the Chinese site, auto.sohu, GM has extended the date by which Saab must be sold till January the 7th and as of now, are still producing the 9-5 and 9-3 models at Saab's Trollhattan factory. Dutch sportscar maker Spyker is still interested in aqquiring Saab but GM still remains uneasy.

Quote from the site:
Saab spokesman Eric Geers said that GM was still preparing to shut down in Sweden Trollhattan (Trollhattan)'s Saab division, but also at the same time evaluate potential acquisitions.

The Swedish government said that it will invest 542 million krona (about 77 million USD, give or take a few million) to back Saab when the deal with Koenigsegg fell through.

Just for one last note. Saab sold 93,295 cars worldwide last year.

nzsaab

01-03-2010, 05:16 AM

NZSAAB sends letter to Detroit News!

General Motors Sale of Saab Automobile - Billions of Tax Payer Money and Thousands of US Jobs at Risk.

Jan 3, 2010

It is public knowledge that Spyker Cars has submitted a bid to GM that matches their initial offer for sale as well as submitted a revised bid that eliminated all additional concerns that were raised by GM when they walked away from negotiations and announced the closure of Saab on December 18th.

It is also public knowledge that Merbanco and several other companies have contacted GM with strong expressions of interest to buy Saab Automobiles AB.

It is clear and evident that a buyer exists for Saab and that the failure of a sale and closure of Saab by GM is entirely unnecessary, arbitrary and unfair.

The negative impact of Saab's closure by GM are numerous and significant.

- 218 small businesses across the US will be impaired or put out of business entirely.

- 5,000 jobs are at risk at the dealership level across the US.

- The US economy will lose an estimated additional 2,500 jobs that would be added back to the US dealer network after the launch of the all-new 9-5 and the 9-4X and the return of leasing to the Saab product line

- Close to $500 million small business assets are at risk of being impaired or liquidated.

- It will cost the US Tax Payer over $2 billion to close Saab Automobile compared to GM recieving upwards of $7 billion should the deal be completed with a potential buyer.

- Saab dealers collectively pump over $500 million into the US economy annually via their business expense structure.

- GM forced the Saab dealer network to sign a Deferred Termination Agreement this summer, which waived the dealers' rights to State franchise legal rights and remedies to dealership closure by the manufacturer. The dealers signed on the basis of expressions of GM's good faith efforts to sell Saab Automobile AB. If the dealer did not sign, they would be terminated immediately with no compensation and would not have the opportunity to be a Saab dealer after the sale of Saab was complete.

- Saab is not competition for General Motors. GM will not lose sales should Saab be sold and continue to produce and market their automobiles. Similarly GM will not benefit by increased sales should GM force Saab to close and go out of business. Since Saab lost its leasing facilities in July 2008, the network lost hundreds of repeat customers per dealership. Consensus among the US Saab dealers is that Audi was the overwhelming beneficiary, followed by Volvo, BMW and other European car makes. Very few if any became domestic car buyers. A few of Saab dealers are among the most successful Cadillac dealers in the country. These dealers have indicated virtually no success in converting lost Saab customers as Cadillac customers.

An alternative exists. GM clearly has a buyer for Saab. They simply need to decide to complete the sale. Saab is an iconic brand which should not die. Pressure needs to be applied by the media and tex payer on GM to get the right deal done.

I hereby give you permission to use anything from this email to be published in the Detroit News. I have made the most important facts the people need to know in bold. By publishing the information above GM's owners (The tax payers) will be informed that their money would be wasted if Saab is not sold and thousands of US citizens will loose their jobs.

Sincerely,
Aaron Winstanley
Top Contact me, reply to this email.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

01-03-2010, 06:33 PM

nz-sounds like a very decent article as far as I'm concerned. GM needs to own up and sell the brand properly and save a carmaker and many jobs. I mean, it's not like no one gave GM a huge break last year, right?

nzsaab

01-03-2010, 11:01 PM

Thanks Rally Red Lancer GTS,

I think sending my views to the Detroit News would be more effectibe than a news company elswhere in the US because Detroit is where GM are located. If there is to be a newspaper that arrives on the GM CEO's desk in the morning or one thats in the reception of GM it is more likely to be Detroit News!

nzsaab

01-04-2010, 09:31 PM

2010 Saab 9-5 = 2011 Buick Regal? - I hope not!

It has come to my attention apon surfing the net that something could have been up for several years with this 9-5 Buick thing that we discussed earlier.

I was looking at this photo:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/06/djup_strup_in_the_saab_carpark_out_the_back/2010%20Saab9-5%20DS2.jpg

Notice the white 9-5 test cars! The nose is very different to a Saab's. I saw this photo at the time it came out and thought like every other person that it was just a disguise. Maybe not, maybe it was a part of a sick plan that GM had all along.

Take another look at the photo above, look at the lights and the grill, then look at the photo below:

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/11/25/485912.2-lg.jpg

The above photo is of the 2011 Buick Regal. Doesnt the front end look oh so similar to the top pic in this post?

You see both cars are based on the Epsilon II platform as is the Opel Insignia. Saab had the majority in developing this platform. Opels car came first because it was less technical than the rest. Followed by the uppersegment 9-5 and then there was a Buick expected for ordering in 2011.

Anyone see where Im going?

GM has been intending on selling Saab for years, since its first concept car was rolled out. GM thought Saab spent too much in developing for itself and GM a 2.0 4 cylinder engine and the 9-3 Sedan and Convertible that it threatened Saab that if sales did not increase GM would fold the brand. Then came more concepts, a 9-2x and 9-7x to up sales and a refresh of the 9-5. More concepts, cancelled models, a 9-3 refresh then GM annouce they will sell Saab after 20 years ownership. The same year the 9-5 is shown to world.
GM goes along with the idea of selling Saab, then pulls out of a deal with Spyker that was almost complete. Now they are stalling buyers. It has been revealed that it is GM's intention to stall buyers and come out with stupid excuses and conditions of purchase until the time is up. Then they will claim to the world they tried but couldnt find the right buyer. Saab gets closed and GM keep their tech.

The 2010 9-5 may have been a way of developing the platform to rival the high end BMW and Audi and then implementing Saabs development into the Buick.

Its a conspiracy i know, but it is all factual stuff.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

01-05-2010, 06:48 PM

No, nzsaab, this sounds so much like GM it's incredible. And just for that I will not buy any GM-produced Buick Saab 9-5's. If they go ahead with their plan and don't sell Saab, that is.

nzsaab

01-06-2010, 04:46 AM

Thankyou for your comment Rally Red Lancer GTS,

Im really very angry about the whole idea. I emailed Steven Wade of SaabUnited.com with the conspiracy and he denied it was true. He thinks its just a disguise.

KiwiGuy

01-06-2010, 04:30 PM

Those white cars you mentioned are not actually Saab nor Buicks. They are Opel Insignias. Not only does GM share platforms but shares bodies as well. They do not in any way look similar to the 9-5. The front and rear ends are different, the window lines are different, the side profiles are different. The only way you can get Buicks in Europe are through specialist import companies attached to any GM dealer network or private import companies. Or import them yourself.

nzsaab

01-06-2010, 06:23 PM

KiwiGuy

I think you may be confused as to what we are talking about here. Im aware that Buicks are not availible in Europe. But the above photo you are referring to is Saab/GM's test muel carpark. All Saab's Test Cars live here. (Mostly inside of course! They are sapposed to be secret. These test cars must have been in use on the day of the photo.
See the 9-3 Sedan on the left with the black rims?
Its really a Cadillac BLS Sedan. They were doing tests with larger wheels and much larger engines on the chassis. (Thats a long story thats not relavant).

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/news/car_news/2010_saab_9-5-official_photos_leaked/gallery/2010_saab_9-5_photo_3/2771913-1-eng-US/2010-saab-9-5-12_cd_gallery.jpg

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200904/2010-opel-insignia-opc-2_1024x0w.jpg

http://www.instantriverside.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/buick11.jpg

According to you KiwiGuy, these GM360 cars must be the 'Same - But Different'. They have very similar window lines (namely the insignia and Buick, whereas the 9-5 does differ), as Im sure Rally Red Lancer GTS will confirm for you.

KiwiGuy, I find it hard to understand why there would be as you say real Opel Insignia cars and not disguised Saab 9-5 or Buick test cars when this is Saab's test car facility! Seems strange. I suggest you rethink your comment.

KiwiGuy

01-08-2010, 08:41 PM

What makes you so sure they are? They may have been left over from when they were testing the original Insignia and then given to Saab before they started developing the 9-5.

nzsaab

01-08-2010, 09:50 PM

Saab began developing the all new 9-5 based on EpII in 2004. Im not sure when an actual car was produced but it was definatly long before the public saw spy cars. It is my best guess that Saab already had test cars when Opel did.

We really are only guessing arnt we. I just wanted to put a conspiracy out there so that I can claim "I told you so" if the Buick thing really happens and Saab is closed down.

nzsaab

01-09-2010, 07:30 PM

IT IS CONFIRMED! IF SAAB IS NOT SOLD, NEW 9-5 WILL BECOME CHINESE MADE BUICK!!!

As you may know, the new Saab 9-5 is currently being made on what is basically a test line at the Saab factory in Trollhattan. There is still some tooling for this new car sitting in Russelsheim, which hasn't been shipped to Trollhattan yet. It is my understanding from Tiefe Kehle that if GM decide to close Saab rather than sell it, then that tooling will be shipped immediately to China.

If Saab are wound down rather than sold, the new 9-5 will most likely be manufactured and sold in China as a Buick. It seems this is part of GM's wind-down planning for Saab should they not be sold.

If Saab are sold to a new owner, this transport order should be cancelled, with the tooling going to Trollhattan.

Im really scared, theres alot of talk in the media that GM NEVER had any intention to sell Saab and that it was all a cover story to make people think they tried but couldnt find a buyer.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

01-10-2010, 01:49 PM

Sounds like GM. What a bunch of dopes.

nzsaab

01-11-2010, 06:36 PM

Now its been said by high up GM management that there is no plans at all for the 9-5 to be produced as a rebadged model, which makes no business sense at all.

KiwiGuy

01-12-2010, 04:11 AM

GM's back to it's usual self I see. No ammount of money loss will ever replace those idiots. I wouldn't believe anything they say at this present moment if I were you as it will most definately be countered in some way or another. GM is faffing about because the know the loss of Saab will be a big one. They are also doing the same thing with embattled German brand Opel.

I read some news today that Ford is thinking about axing the Falcon and replacing it with a car based in the Ford Taurus. Some are claiming it will be the end of Ford Australia.

Could be worse.

nzsaab

01-12-2010, 06:18 PM

KiwiGuy

I have also heard about the Falcon perhaps being replaced with the Taurus, although that was some time ago.

The answer to stopping that is simply - everone needs to buy Falcon and Taurus will be dropped. It seems strange that Ford would want to replace the Falcon with the Taurus when both models co-existed around 2000 in the New Zealand and Australian market.

Personally Im a big fan of both Falcon and the 2010 Taurus and wouldnt mind either way if one is retained or cancalled. Is there plans to assemble the Taurus in Australia or will it be direct import?

To me, its doesnt make sense why Ford would decide to kill off such a popular Australian icon.

Ford USA's automotive build quality has increased to the same or better than Lexus! As per what the reviewers and also Fords marketing team are saying.

I shant get my undies in a twist over this issue.

KiwiGuy

01-13-2010, 12:03 AM

American manufacturers are under massive pressure from the Obama administration to cut operating costs and become more profitable. That is why Saab, Hummer, Opel, Volvo, Pontiac and Saturn are being phased out or sold to cut costs. There is literally billions being shed because there is so much money running different companies. Ford was amongst the hardest hit and so it has undergone a product shakeup to reduce the numbers of models in the range which means less costs to make cars and also has a benefit of less resources being used to manufacture new cars and less pollution. Ford says it will replace the Falcon with the Taurus which is different in that the Taurus is front wheel drive over the Falcons rear wheel drive. The Falcon has been around for fifty years and it has to end sometime. My guess is it would be cheaper for Ford to manufacture the Taurus in the United States because it already has the tech and production lines (like Saab making cars in Sweden because it is cheaper than other countries). Also, it might be an incentive to bring other models, like the cool Edge CUV into these markets.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

01-13-2010, 01:10 AM

I'm startin' to get a hankering for the new Ford Fusion Hybrid. On April 28, 2009, a Ford Fusion Hybrid went 1445.7 miles on one tank of gas. That's 81.5mpg! Of course, they were hypermiling to beat the band. But that's besides the point.

I'm really starting to like the car, overall, now.

nzsaab

01-14-2010, 05:47 AM

KiwiGuy

As I know you are a French speaker I though I would post the Price Guide (In french, sorry no english) here: http://www.ilovesaab.be/documents/pdf/fr/BE_PriceNew95_FR.pdf

nzsaab

01-14-2010, 05:53 AM

Im sure there would be a number of people very angry to hear the claim " The Falcon has been around for fifty years and it has to end sometime"! That is complete rubbish to state that as a reason as to why it should or could be replaced!

I do agree that production and development costs are high and have been increasing more and more in the span of 20 years as more technology is required for the average car.

I have read that a new Territory is due 2012? As is the new Falcon. So I guess more news will be out then ae?

You are correct Saab's plan was to centralise production to 1 facility (forget the 9-4x for two shakes) so that costs could be kept low, but more probably the idea was to ensure in the short term the staff have something to do in Trolhatten!

nzsaab

01-14-2010, 06:01 AM

Saab Production - Restarted in Trollhatten This Week!

Saab has re-commenced production at its Trollhatten facility in order to fulfill its backlog of 2000 cars.

The mini line or pre production line for the upcoming (yes, I insist its is still upcoming) 9-5 is back online as well! It seems Saab are not stopping development of the tooling at the facility.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/01/rhapsody_in_blue_-_saab_9-5/Blue9-5DI.jpg
The above photo is a scan from a book.

The 9-3 Convertible has also commenced production in Sweden for the first time ever!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/01/you_make_the_news_-_
Here is the first 9-3 Convertible to roll off the line. Note the 9-5 SportEstate in the background! It seems, out of the 2000 remaining orders, someone wanted the 12 year old sex machine! (yea, i went there!)

KiwiGuy

01-14-2010, 03:39 PM

KiwiGuy

As I know you are a French speaker I though I would post the Price Guide (In french, sorry no english) here: http://www.ilovesaab.be/documents/pdf/fr/BE_PriceNew95_FR.pdf

That's interesting. Every colour except Artic White is metallic and therefore you have to pay extra. Eh? Some manufacturers have that sort of paint as standard. Even Toyota does.

Basically the 9-5 has the same sort of stuff you will find from Saab, though they have done good in my books for ditching the horrible 3 spoke mags that were available on the previous model.

You will be surprised that there is more English in there than you might have first known.

nzsaab

01-14-2010, 05:51 PM

KiwiGuy

I have read the booklet as well and I also noticed that I could understand alot of it.

Im also glad the 3 spokes are gone, but I wouldnt count on that being permanant as the enthusiasts of that alloy type will go on at Saab (crazy I know, but they are very popular)

Saab has always offered metalic paint as an option.
As I recall on the current 9-3 and 9-5 range they usually offer solid paint colour free: Laser Red, Black, and Polar White and the rest costs more. Its always been like that. I dont know why (I did think it was abit behind the times, but hey)

nzsaab

01-14-2010, 06:24 PM

Saab 9-3 Convertible Production Video!

The first ever Saab 9-3 Convertible has been caught in the making!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvCce9c3ic0&feature=sub

nzsaab

01-17-2010, 12:42 AM

Putting The Falcon Story To Rest

I have found an articel on the New Zealand Herald website about the Falcon story KiwiGuy bought up a while ago:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10620071

I think it puts the story to rest.

KiwiGuy

01-17-2010, 04:16 PM

And do you know why they are axing the Falcon? As I said it's all about costs. The Mondeo, Focus, Fiesta and a lot of other Ford models are all global models which bring in millions and take very little in terms of design and manufacture. The Falcon was a costly car in terms of development and ultimately was only a market specific model which compared with cars like the Focus and Mondeo wasn't bringing in money. But that axing also means that the Falcon ute and Territory SUV will go as well.

nzsaab

01-18-2010, 06:05 AM

KiwiGuy

EVERY CAR costs ALOT to develop, (excluding platforms shared between brands, say Chevy, Buick etc).

Falcon could be very popular in other markets besides NZ and OZ which means there could be a possibility of becoming a global seden. Perhaps Arabia? Perhaps even China? its upto ford really.

ALL brands are considering pulling out of Australian production. Which is a shame, however the money just isnt here. It costs alot to assemble loacally.

Anyways, its too far off the subject of this thread.

nzsaab

01-18-2010, 06:08 AM

Save Saab Convoys

http://www.saabsunited.com/saab_campaigns/upload/images2010/01/saab_support_convoy_-_minsk_belarus/SSCBelThree.jpg
Minsk, Belarus

http://www.saabsunited.com/saab_campaigns/upload/images2010/01/saab_support_convoy_-_beijing_china/SSCBeijing4.jpg
Bejing, China.

http://www.saabsunited.com/saab_campaigns/upload/images2010/01/saab_support_convoy_-_vienna_austria/LinzSSC2.jpg
Vienna, Austria

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/01/saab_support_convoy_updates_7/Moscow%20SSCScript.jpg
Moscow, Russia

Rally Red Lancer GTS

01-18-2010, 10:47 AM

Love their enthusiasm. Apparently they don't want the whole story to be just another...umm...'ole Saab story.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Go Saab!

nzsaab

01-21-2010, 04:26 AM

Test Drive - 2010 Saab 9-5 Aero (more a test ride)

Its by far a long way from a Test Drive that Jeremy Clarkson would do but his time will come.

A guy named Bart W. Heres his write up.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/01/test_driving_a_new_saab_9-5_aero/Saab9-5AeroBlue.JPG

My father and I went to the Saab stand immediately when we arrived at the Brussels motor show...

There we saw an old friend from back in the days my Dad started working on Saab cars and connecting with dealers. Joris is his name. He invited us to come look at the the new 9-5 Aero and told us about the shape and the details that make this new Saab a real SAAB. Then he went a way for a few minutes and came back and said to my father "here you go Marc, what do you think about a test drive with the new 9-5 aero at 11.30?"

"What? You're serious! Sure, thanks a lot!"

Then the test pilot came and said follow me! We went outdoors and there he was in that nice blue trim and 19 inch rims. We got into the car, fastened seatbelts and off we went.

First slowly to the highway and then BOOM, the 2.8 V6 turbo engine kicked in! Easily to 180 km/h and then the guy said now look how it accelerates from here.... BOOM again, full trottle to 210 km/h - easy!

We then went off the highway just in front of a BMW that also was leaving the highway. An ABS test..... Full brakes...... Changing lanes and still the car is in complete control due to the 100 adjustments per second ABS system.

Then again full throttle on the highway back to the car show. At the end there were several corners; a left one at 120 degrees in to a sharp right. On the other side there were trucks and cars but we took the inside at a mind blowing speed! I thought we were going to fly out this corner for sure, no way....... It stuck to the ground like glue!

This car is amazing! I have been in a few test drives now, but this was the mother of all test drives to me! This is a real SAAB! This car has to be produced. The world will be blown away!

What this car can perform and handle, its like no other feeling!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/01/test_driving_a_new_saab_9-5_aero/Saab9-5AeroBlue2.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/01/test_driving_a_new_saab_9-5_aero/Saab9-5AeroInterior.JPG

KiwiGuy told me recently he has read the car is too boring. I think this confirms otherwise - and this dude wasnt even driving!

For many years Saab's have been known very widely as drivers cars and drivers cars only. The centre stacks have always been angled at the driver in a sort of hint for the passengers to leave it alone. This car clearly showed that the ride was great for passengers too.

nzsaab

01-25-2010, 11:18 PM

Saab Support Convoy

Below is the sole supporter who turned up in Saudi Arabia! GO HIM! Saab's are not very common in Saudi so I wasnt suprised.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/01/saab_support_convoys_of_one/SSC-Riyadh.JPG

Saab Support Convoy in Switzerland below:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/01/saab_support_convoy_of_a_different_kind_ski_weeken d_in_switzerland/P1040499.jpg

nzsaab

01-25-2010, 11:25 PM

Saab 9-4x Update

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/car-news/2010-saab-9-4x-details-leak-ahead-of-launch/10611500+w400+cr1+re0+ar1/saab-9-4x-biopower-concept.jpg

It has been reported by Automotive News that there has been 149 Saab 9-4x units produced at the GM Mexico plant as of date. These cars are most likely quality test cars, crash test cars and of course show cars. Although I find it hard to swallow that GM and Saab need 149 cars to do the latter.

I think its more likely that GM ordered the cars to be produced so that the parts that had already been made and delivered to the factory could be used and not scrapped. (9-4x shares platform and assembly with other GM products). This could most likely be a "run out" model or a "closing down" model offered for the North American market.

KiwiGuy

01-26-2010, 02:46 PM

SAAB IS SOLD TO SPYKER!

From Saabs United.com
GM Reaches Agreement to Sell Saab to Spyker

2010-01-26

DETROIT - General Motors and Spyker Cars NV today confirmed that they have reached a binding agreement on the purchase of Saab Automobile AB.

"Today's announcement is great news for Saab employees, dealers and suppliers, great news for millions of Saab customers and fans worldwide, and great news for GM," said John Smith, GM vice president for corporate planning and alliances.

"General Motors, Spyker Cars, and the Swedish government worked very hard and creatively for a deal that would secure a sustainable future for this unique and iconic brand, and we're all happy for the positive outcome," Smith said.

As part of the agreement, Spyker intends to form a new company, Saab Spyker Automobiles, which will carry the Saab brand forward. The sale will be subject to customary closing conditions, including receipt of applicable regulatory, governmental and court approvals. Other terms and conditions specific to the sale will be disclosed in due time.

The Swedish government is at present reviewing the transaction and the related request for guarantees of a Saab Automobile loan that has been requested from the European Investment Bank. Assuming quick action, the transaction is expected to close in mid-February, and previously announced wind down activities at Saab will be immediately suspended, pending the close of the transaction.

"Throughout the negotiations, GM has always had the hope to find a solution for Saab that would avoid a wind down of the brand," added Nick Reilly, president, GM Europe. "We've worked with many parties over the past year, including governments and investors, and I'm very pleased that we could come to such a good conclusion, one that preserves jobs in Sweden and elsewhere. GM will continue to support Saab and Spyker on their way forward."

Rally Red Lancer GTS

01-26-2010, 10:38 PM

So the idea of purchasing a 2010 Saab Aero 9-5 is still viable for someone living in the U.S. then!

Rally Red Lancer GTS

01-29-2010, 07:33 PM

Hey, nzsaab, what's your response to the news that Saab has been purchased by Spyker? Old hat? Good news, huh? Whoo-hoo!
It's now SSA, or Saab Spyker Automobiles.

nzsaab

01-31-2010, 06:13 AM

Rally Red Lancer GTS

As has been covered by me in many other places (other than China Car Forums) I am EXTREMLY EXCITED for Saab's future and EXTREMLY GRATEFUL that Saab has been sold to a company that understands Saab and will let Saab fully stretch its wings and develop cars it wants to develop.

I had a deep down feeling Saab would be saved and its now been confirmed.

Im very glad Buick will be keeping their dirty hands off our 9-5.

Im looking forward to seeing the 9-4x. (One day I would like to own one seeming GM didnt offer the 9-7x in NZ)

And YES you will be able to purchase the new 9-5 Aero in USA

Rally Red Lancer GTS

01-31-2010, 07:50 PM

So, as my wife and I pay off our '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS(we now have 48,698 miles on the car)and enjoy the heck out of it, my internet searchings have drummed up several future purchase possibilities.

They include the BYD e6 all-electric car, the new under-development Mitsubishi PX-MiEV SUV, shown below, which is a gas/electric hybrid.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/12/08/automobiles/08miev-span/articleLarge.jpg

I am starting to warm to this new larger than Outlander SUV. Also, Mitsubishi is releasing to the U.S. in about a year this little all-electric car called the i-MiEV. Here it is:

http://images.thecarconnection.com/sml/mitsubishi-i-miev-electric-car-at-quick-charging-station_100182479_s.jpg

I have two more that are vying for my fancy. One is the all-new ICE car the Suzuki Kizashi. It's a mid-sized car that has a lot of the sport-tuned attributes of my 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. Here is the Suzuki Kizashi. I am really starting to love this new Kizashi sedan.

http://images.thecarconnection.com/sml/suzuki_100230448_s.jpg

I have priced-out a 2010 Suzuki Kizashi in 6-speeds, FWD(no optional AWD req'd), Vivid Red metallic paint job, 425-watt Rockford Fosgate 10-speaker stereo(my '08 Lancer GTS also has a RF stereo but mine has 650-watts total), foglights, one-touch sunroof(once again similar to my Lancer GTS from Mitsu)and it comes out to about $23,234. Which is only $1,000 more than my '08 Lancer GTS cost. I am very interested in a Suzuki Kizashi but at only 48,698 miles we're in no big hurry to trade in, and we don't need two cars.

My wife doesn't drive but said she'd consider learning to drive and then buying when available in the U.S. an Indian-made Tata Nano grocery-getter(said to cost about $8,000 when beefed up for American roads) for driving around little Willcox, AZ, our small SE Arizona hometown.

Lastly, nzsaab, I am truly interested in the 2010 Saab 9-5 Aero. I am not in a position to need a new car, but this new 9-5 Aero may just beat all of the others I've mentioned out because it's so darn elegantly beautiful!

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/2010saab95front.jpg

What'd'ya think of all of my babies I'm looking at, nzsaab? Believe me, they're a handful ta take care of!

KiwiGuy

01-31-2010, 08:39 PM

Orginally posteed by nzsaab
Im very glad Buick will be keeping their dirty hands off our 9-5.

I'm afraid it probably won't be that way. I remember seeing a Buick concept which was a rebadged Saab 9-5.

erik (laofan), cmvdc

02-01-2010, 03:05 AM

I am very pessimistic about Saabs future. I am afraid the Victor Muller scenario is: buy Saab with a loan of European money which is guaranteed by the Swedish government. Saab won't make it and finally the Swedish state has to provide the money. Saab is broke again, the Swedish government lost 450 milliard Euro and the company will finally be sold (to a Chinese company?) or closed. Mr. Muller receives a nice salary and he is happy.
Another barrier: what if the European Investbank doesn't give the loan? ("It has been requested".)

nzsaab

02-01-2010, 06:48 PM

Rally Red Lancer GTS

In response to your possible future purchases.

If you are going to buy an SUV, wait for the 9-4x, its like a new 9-5 but in SUV form. Interior will be almost identical.

For get the I Meiv, yuk.

I dont mind the Suzuki Kizashi but the name is WAYYYY to Japo for my liking.

It seems your taste in cars varies from all areas of the price range. But if your budget will stretch BUY THE 9-5 AERO!!!!!

Saab need the sales and you need a sporty, luxurious, handsomely equiped, practical and sooo beautiful 9-5 Aero SportSedan.

nzsaab

02-01-2010, 06:51 PM

KiwiGuy

With Saab once again on the road to independance it is about 95% unlikely that GM's other brands will ever develop new models side by side.

It has been indicated by Spyker that they intend for Saab to develop their own models and possibly develop new models with other companies outside of GM.

Yes, Saab will be tied to GM for sometime. But only by way of what has already been developed. Current 9-3, all new 9-4x and all new 9-5.

GM will recieve dividends from the company of 4% between now and 2016.

nzsaab

02-01-2010, 07:00 PM

Final Outgoing Saab 9-5 SportEstate Produced In Trollhatten

A sad day for all the fans of the 12 year old 9-5 SportEstate and the 13 year old 9-5 model.

below is the last of this model 9-5 SportEstate to roll of the lines.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/02/final_old_saab_9-5_wagon_produced_in_trollhattan/BackstromSaab9-5-2.JPG

The car, which incidentally is the 483,593th Saab 9-5 since June 1997, is a Snow Silver model, with a 2.3t BioPower engine with 210 horsepower under the hood. It's pretty much fully loaded, too, with similar spec to a Vector Sport Griffin Edition.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/02/final_old_saab_9-5_wagon_produced_in_trollhattan/BackstromSaab9-5.JPG

Like the final Saab 9000 hat rolled off the line many years ago, this one was made exactly to specifications requested by Peter Backstrom, director of the Saab Museum. Seen above hugging the car as he always does on special occassions.

The outgoing 9-5 model and its tooling has been sold to Chinese company BAIC and tooling is expected to be being packed up as we speak. Saab intends to have a very good long term relationship with BAIC thanks to this deal. Expect to see Saab based BAIC cars in around 2012.

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/_internal/cimg!0/stwtzmvdi2ol2lbdrqjwrs6ltq5kuzv.jpg

More photos to come

nzsaab

02-01-2010, 07:03 PM

More of the final 9-5 production photos!

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/_internal/cimg!0/ci9duif3cstgf16w28223pzy4x62hdy.jpg

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/_internal/cimg!0/3hbac0jb1d5fgaxbzd4jfxo5vphbhq5.jpg

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/_internal/cimg!0/spg5p2a82uody238owukykrt34bf02z.jpg

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/_internal/cimg!0/kycistzbqw1zctbew1diheu63y7xh22.jpg

nzsaab

02-01-2010, 07:05 PM

Even more!

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/_internal/cimg!0/pameg9m31u8pefmc7t1cn9tsa6x27ss.jpg

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/_internal/cimg!0/pg4qzqwjdbrwzic6vpvve672qsu1tci.jpg

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/_internal/cimg!0/t25kvdkbcduigio05kzo74qi0t9x2o3.jpg

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/_internal/cimg!0/c3p8xakbe0m2flfrewzzcfj2k02qcii.jpg

Rally Red Lancer GTS

02-02-2010, 11:50 AM

nzsaab, you have a pretty good handle on what I'm looking at and looking in to. I'll keep ya posted, Saab fan!

Rally Red Lancer GTS

02-02-2010, 01:57 PM

If my budget will stretch is a huge part of whether or not we'll buy a new Saab 9-5 Aero SportSedan. I love the design, the price is another story. I will need to study further all of the 9-5's assets and understand more about Saab reliability and such before I get closer to thinking about a potential purchase.

nzsaab

02-04-2010, 01:21 AM

Rally Red Lancer GTS

If the Aero is to big a stretch then why not go for the vector and then add the things you really want?

From what Ive read things like heads-up display are options even on the aero.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

02-04-2010, 11:39 PM

nzsaab-what's the vector? A lesser-equipped 9-5 Aero?

nzsaab

02-05-2010, 03:57 AM

Rally Red Lancer GTS

Since around 2001 (not sure of exact date) Saab has been using architectural forms as a way to represent its sub models below the Griffin and Aero models. For example in New Zealand the 9-3 SportSedan range is available in base Linear, LinearSport, Vector, VectorSport and Aero. The varients differ from country to country.

It can get very complicated to explain without talking face to face however to put it simply most of the world consists of, Linear, Vector, Arc, Aero and sometimes Griffin (Griffin is only used on special occasions, i.e marking the beginning or end of a model.)

So to answer your initial question in short, rather than going on Vector is mid range so yes, a few less features than Aero. To my knowledge the 2010 9-5 Sedan will be available in Linear, Vector and Aero.

I have heard that the Aero is really only for enthusiast buyers or people who will have the car for a long time because they depreciate very quickly.

If you want good value for money, fantastic range of features and a reasonable resale value then choose Vector. Its not as downgrading as Linear but you wont get stung as much when you go to sell it like you would with an Aero.

As you can see I could type all day.

nzsaab

02-05-2010, 04:11 AM

Sexy Swede, 9-3x Could Be Getting A Brother X!!!

http://www.autoincar.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/2010-saab-9-3x-21.jpg

The sexy lines of the dedicated Saab 9-3x model are clearly shown above and below. The 9-3x is a highly capable sport combi. The 9-3x Aero featues the worlds most advanced all wheel drive system that Saab calls cross-wheel-drive (XWD). The 9-3x's XWD system is linked to a powerful 2.0t Petrol engine while a 1.9TiD (not sure if its TiD or TTiD - someone correct me) does not feature XWD.

The 9-3x is 25mm higher from the ground than the 9-3 SportCombi and features scratch resistant black bumpers.

Is a brother around the corner for Saab? . . .

http://www.saabapedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010-saab-9-3x-1.jpg

I have heard from many sources that Saab Automobile are planning on developing a dedicated Cross-Wheel-Drive (XWD) version of the next gen Saab 9-5 SportCombi called the 9-5x!

First things first however, the all new 9-5 SportCombi has to be shown to the world. Thats expected this year. The 9-5x could be shown next year (2011) however that would be the same year the 9-4x goes on sale.

I dont really understand why we need a 9-5x when the 9-4x is more capable. The 9-4x has an almost identical interior to the 9-5 and it will have better towing capacity too.

Below is an idea on what the 2011 Saab 9-5 SportCombi may look like:

http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/2011-saab-9-5-sportcombi-first-official-photo-14665_1.jpg

What does China think? Comment below.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

02-05-2010, 09:05 PM

I don't know, but I really like that grey 2010 9-5 Aero in your picture, nzsaab. I could picture my wife and I driving to Tucson and beyond in that puppy. Beautiful car. Would the Vector look mostly like that grey 9-5 in your pic, nzsaab?

nzsaab

02-05-2010, 09:10 PM

Rally Red Lancer GTS

To the best of my knowledge the Linear, Vector and Aero will look almost identical as Saab models have in the past.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

02-06-2010, 10:38 PM

Very interesting and something that I must earnestly pursue here from the desert Southwest.

nzsaab

02-12-2010, 03:43 AM

Saab 9-5x - Will it look like this . . .

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/02/saab_9-5x_photochop/Saab_9-5-X_photoshop.jpg

nzsaab

02-12-2010, 04:30 AM

2010 Saab 9-5 = HOT

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/02/thursday_snippets_-_aztek_edition/Saab9-5goodness.jpg

Rally Red Lancer GTS

02-12-2010, 07:57 AM

nzsaab-man, it's the 2010 Saab 9-5 that does it for me. And I'm startin' ta dig that shiny grey color that it's featured with in your posts more and more. It helps accentuate it's luxuriousness even more. Love it!

I am going to continue researching this luxo sedan as time marches on.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/02/thursday_snippets_-_aztek_edition/Saab9-5goodness.jpg

Crikey! I think I've changed my favorite 2010 Saab 9-5 color from red to grey, of all colors. It just looks as sharp as a tack ta me.

Vector that.

nzsaab

02-16-2010, 04:30 AM

Rally Red Lancer GTS

Im glad you are so enthused about the all new Saab 9-5 Sedan.

At Saab, its has taken too long to get droves of people from outside the close-nit Saab community interested in its products.

Im glad the 9-5 Sedan has captured your interest in our brand.

I have seen the new 9-5 in most colours. Including red. As I recall it will feature a bergandy or a (in Saab speak) Laser Red. The Laser Red makes this car VERY, VERY SPORTY looking. The grey is much more refined and expensive looking.

You take your pick tho, because as long as it has a Saab logo on it, I dont care what colour you choose!

Rally Red Lancer GTS

02-16-2010, 02:14 PM

nzsaab-oh, I'll be taking a good look at Saab's Laser Red before I make a purchase, you bet your sweet bippy. After all, look at the color of the rig I'm driving there!

nzsaab

02-22-2010, 01:02 AM

Rally Red Lancer GTS - Here is your 9-5!!!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/10/oooh_mama_ii/RedSaab9-5.jpg

nzsaab

02-22-2010, 01:09 AM

2010 Saab 9-5 Colour Range

After doing some research I have descovered that Saab have renamed all their colours for the all new 9-5 range. Laser Red is instead called Turbo Red

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/05/from_gms_own_mouth_-_the_2010_saab_9-5/2010%20Saab%209-5%20colors2.jpg

I had to laugh at pine green metallic - code name GAY !!!!! I have to admit it probably will look pretty gay in that dark green. I havnt seen a dark green Saab newer than 10 years old for a very long time.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

02-22-2010, 10:46 PM

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2009/10/oooh_mama_ii/RedSaab9-5.jpg

This is a very nice red, indeed. And that car looks spacious, but not too oblongingly-shaped to include that space.

The 2010 Saab 9-5 is easy on the eyes.

nzsaab

03-05-2010, 05:30 AM

2010 9-5 German market news

Just a quick update for Germany:

The 2010 Saab 9-5 Sedan will be availible in Germany in June this year.

Prices out next week.

60 - 70% of German Saab dealers are expected to remain with Saab.

As of now Saab Germany is offering 2010 models, Saab 9-3 Convertible, SportSedan and SportCombi and Saab 9-3x. 9-5 Sedan will be added in June. 9-5 SportCombi will be 2011.

nzsaab

03-07-2010, 11:50 PM

Interesting Information for 2010 Saab 9-5 Sedan

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/03/saab_9-5_suppliers/Saab9-5suppliers.jpg

Theres some well known international suppliers on that list,

Sanyo
Bosch
Hella
Heldex
Magna
-are ones that come to mind.

This car promisses to be a very good quality car with all these well known suppliers. Lets just hope the final fit and finish will be up to par.

nzsaab

03-08-2010, 12:01 AM

BREAKING NEWS - SAAB RELEASES 2010 9-3 IN USA

Saab Cars North America today announced that manufacturer's suggested retail pricing will be reduced for all 2010 model year 9-3 vehicles. These are the first 2010 model year Saab vehicles produced for the U.S. market and closely follow the recent acquisition of Saab Automobile AB by Spyker Cars NV

An exciting line-up of model year 2010 vehicles will arrive during the next few weeks to dealer showrooms across the United States. The manufacturer's suggested retail price for every 2010 model year 9-3 variant has been reduced anywhere from 4 to 12 percent compared to model year 2009.

"This pricing action allows Saab to be in-line with the market and maintains accessibility of Saab's rich Swedish heritage, innovation and responsible performance for our many loyal owners, enthusiasts and potential new customers," said Mike Colleran, President and COO, Saab Cars North America.

Topping the list for 2010 is an all-new 9-3X premium cross-over model. Powered by Saab's 2.0 liter turbocharged engine and available with either a 6-speed manual or automatic transmission, the 9-3X offers sporty performance without the typical penalty of high fuel consumption. Add in the standard cross-wheel drive (XWD) with electronic limited slip differential (eLSD) and raised chassis, the 9-3X delivers an all-road driving experience you can take with you no matter where your road leads. The 9-3X starts at $37,800 MSRP.

The 9-3 Sport Sedan is available in two trim levels, 2.0T and Aero, and both can be specified with either front wheel drive or with Saab's Cross-Wheel Drive (XWD) system. Sport Sedan starting prices range from $29,725 MSRP for the 2.0T to $38,940 MSRP for the Aero model. Both cars offer a host of standard equipment with the Aero adding sport-focused features such as 17" alloy wheels, more aggressive front fascia, interior trim with two-tone leather seats, thicker sport steering wheel, a sport tuned chassis, and dual bright exhaust tailpipes. OnStar with Bluetooth hands-free phone connectivity is available on 2.0T models and comes standard on the Aero. A Bose six-CD audio system and XM Satellite Radio are also standard Aero content. Memory driver seat and rear park assist are available on Aero models in the optional Premium Package.

The 9-3 SportCombi offers a sedan-like driving experience with the added cargo carrying flexibility so many drivers desire. Standard equipment and available options on the front-wheel drive SportCombi are the same as the 9-3 Sport Sedan. SportCombi starting prices range from $31,155 MSRP for the 2.0T to $37,845 MSRP for the Aero model.

The stylish 9-3 Convertible model prices range from $40,815 MSRP for the 2.0T to $45,905 MSRP for the Aero. The convertible offers a special edition package with leather steering wheel, Xenon headlamps and XM Satellite Radio for $695.

Exciting new colors, including glacier silver metallic and arctic white, are available for all body styles.

"Saab Cars North America is committed to bringing customers options they need to enhance their active lifestyles by providing appealing design, sporty driving attributes, reliability and safety--all at an affordable price," said Colleran.

For more information and a listing of Saab dealerships, please visit the website: www.saabusa.com.

nzsaab

03-08-2010, 12:15 AM

Saab and a 9-2 in the pipeline?

TROLLHÄTTAN, Sweden — Saab-Spyker chief Victor Muller says he would like the company to build a what he calls a 92, a compact, premium model drawing inspiration from the original 93, “though not a retro design,” he stresses.

The car would be positioned “somewhere north of the Mini” and would need a technical partner for Saab to be able to bring it to market. For this reason, it is not part of the business plan intended to return Saab to profitability by 2016.

However, Muller and Saab CEO Jan-Ake Jonsson say they have been surprised by the level of interest shown by other manufacturers in selling Saab hardware and technology. Jonsson is also hoping to sell Saab expertise, including its experience with turbos, transmissions and gasoline engines.

Muller also says that the next-generation 9-3 is more than two years into development, “with basic engineering done, with two years in which to add more Saab DNA,” before launch. That will have allowed Spyker to get the fully engineered new 9-5, the 9-4X, the 9-3, and a re-equipped factory “for the price of a wind tunnel.”

Rally Red Lancer GTS

03-08-2010, 10:23 PM

When are American prices for the 2010 Saab 9-5 coming out, nzsaab? Did I miss something from the article there?

nzsaab

03-09-2010, 12:15 AM

Hi there Rally Red Lancer GTS,

The article above was for the 9-3 Range only, so you havnt missed anything.

Theres no pricing availible for the 2010 9-5, but rest assured, it is coming.

Saab's marketing office is 'hard at work' on promoting Saab's model range and organising price lists for the global markets. It seems to me they are busy with the 9-3 range at this time.

Although not the first market to get the all new 9-5 Sedan, it will go onsale in Germany in June this year (that Im 100% sure on) and last I heard it would be on dealer lots in USA by April but maybe its been pushed back to May. It seems strange that they came out with confirmation for Germany but not USA and other countries that are getting it earlier! Maybe Ive missed a few things. There are alot of bad sources out there that report very old news as current.

So in short, I dont know when the pricing for the US 9-5 will be out but it will be this month or next.

nzsaab

03-09-2010, 08:38 PM

Swedish Pricing is out for the 2010 9-5 Sedan!

Swedes can now order their new 9-5 Sedan from their local Saab dealer.

Swedish price: The base model Linear comes in at around USD45,000 or GBP29,000 or EUR32,000 or AUD47,000. Of course, such comparisons are pointless because of various taxes and ridiculously low US prices, but still

IM FREAKING OUT ABOUT THE FOLLOWING . . . . . .

It seems the move from production at Russelsheim to Trolhattan has limited the color palette for 2010, with Fjord Blue being the only color available that isn't a type of silver, grey or black. It's my understanding, however, that there is a bit more variety in store for 2011 -There better bloody be! I mean, the options are white, black and 4 tones of grey!!

There appear to be a number of wheels varying from standard 17-inch (18-inch for Aero) through to 19-inch options. There are also a larger number of trim options than I'm used to seeing, including both cloth and leather trim.

Im dissapointed.

nzsaab

03-18-2010, 01:21 AM

Saab News

- Saab plans to sell about 16,000 9-5 Sedan's this year globally.

- Karl Lindstroem, an executive from Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications Ltd., will start March 22 as Saab's interim chief financial officer, Victor Muller said. Saab didn't have a CFO under GM.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

03-19-2010, 09:47 PM

nzsaab, it's good to see Saab re-obtain a CFO as part of their corporate identity again with the hiring of Karl Lindstroem as CFO.

nzsaab

03-24-2010, 11:43 PM

Rally Red Lancer GTS

Yes it is good to see Saab working quickly and hard to ensure everything is in place.

nzsaab

03-24-2010, 11:46 PM

Saab To Boost Production

The plant builds some 100 cars a day. But within another four weeks, Saab hopes to double its productivity in order to produce between 50,000 and 60,000 cars a year.
Saab's former and current Swedish head Jan Åke Jonsson told the media that his company has received orders for 2,000 cars since the plant was temporarily shut down. And at least another 2,000 cars have been ordered from the United States.

Saab is also looking to take on an extra 500 factory workers to help with the increase.

nzsaab

03-24-2010, 11:52 PM

2010 Model production BEGINS - Better late than never!

Press Extract:

At 9.15 in the morning today, production director Gunnar Brunius in the yellow string and so was the car production resumed in Saab's assembly plant.

In other parts of the production chain - painting, pressure and body - the business has already been running for a short time to prepare the way for the "real" production start this morning.

Car builder Linda Wallin stood ready to receive the first car on the line, and she had particular reason to be happy today. She lost the job last spring, but was one of the more than 150 people who re-hired last fall.

- This feels great, great fun. We also feel a great relief and confidence, "says Linda Wallin.

The first car - a Saab 9-5 new model - were provided with the text Saab number 001 of a new era to proclaim that this is the first Saab car built by Spyker as the owner.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/03/saab_1_of_the_spyker_saab_era_on_its_way/SaabNo1.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/03/saab_1_of_the_spyker_saab_era_on_its_way/JAJandVMSaabNo1.jpg

On location in the assembly plant at the historic moment was also Spykers CEO Victor Muller and Saab's Managing Director Jan Åke Jonsson.

- It feels great today. We have always believed in this, but there has been a lengthy process and therefore difficult to know when we would start up again, "Jonsson said.

Saab factory has stood still since January and although Spyker affair was clear for a while, it takes time to restart the whole production system.

Official Press Release to come.

nzsaab

03-24-2010, 11:56 PM

Press Release for Saab Restarting Production MY2010

Trollhättan, Sweden. The production lines at Saab Automobile's state-of-the-art Trollhättan plant began rolling again today, heralding a new era for the Swedish premium car maker as an independent company. To mark the occasion, Saab Automobile CEO Jan Åke Jonsson, Spyker Cars CEO Victor Muller and Trollhättan Plant Director Gunnar Brunius took up positions on the line alongside assembly workers as the first batch of cars was built.
Production at the Trollhättan plant was originally halted for seven weeks. Now, following the purchase of Saab Automobile AB by Spyker Cars NV, the first cars to be built by Saab as an independent company will soon be delivered to customers.

"Today's resumption of production is a milestone in the history of our company" said Jan Åke Jonsson. "We are up and running as an independent manufacturer and I am delighted to share the experience on the line alongside our workforce. They have shown tremendous commitment to the company and we are all now focused on ramping up production to meet customer demand."

First on the line today was an all-new Saab 9-5 sedan, destined to join a test fleet prior to the model's official launch later this year. Further down the line was a Saab Convertible, now also being produced in Trollhättan as part of the concentration of Saab operations in Sweden. With the introduction of the new 9-5 SportCombi next year, a total of five model lines will be produced at the plant.

"We have a highly flexible, world-class facility here at Trollhättan," said Plant Director Gunnar Brunius. "Our ability to build so many different models in one location improves plant utilization and will deliver valuable efficiency gains. With these state-of-the-art facilities and a dedicated workforce, we are in excellent shape."

Victor Muller, CEO of Spyker Cars said: "Everyone at Saab has worked extremely hard to reach this important point. Today production restarted with a new 9-5 first down the line - a fitting symbol that a new era has begun."

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/03/press_release_newly-independent_saab_resumes_car_production/Saab9-5No1Official.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/03/a_few_more_images_of_the_saab_spyker_car_1/_SHF9428.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/03/a_few_more_images_of_the_saab_spyker_car_1/_SHF9383.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/03/a_few_more_images_of_the_saab_spyker_car_1/_SHF9264.jpg

nzsaab

04-20-2010, 11:43 PM

New Beijing Automotive C71 - Whats a new Chinese car got to do with saab?

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/beijing_automotives_c71_saab_9-5/BAWc71A.jpg

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200704/2007-saab-9-5-12_460x0w.jpg

Well everything in fact! This car is the result of Beijing Autos purchase of the old 9-5 including its tooling and engines.

See the similarities?

Rally Red Lancer GTS

04-21-2010, 07:42 PM

I do see the similarities, nzsaab!

nzsaab

04-23-2010, 02:52 AM

Introducing the Chinese assembled C71!!!!

YES - JUST LIKE THE CHINESE STUFF AT WAL-MART - ITS WRAPPED IN CHEAP PLASTIC!

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/new_saab-based_models_from_beijing_-_in_the_metal/BAIC-C71front.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/new_saab-based_models_from_beijing_-_in_the_metal/BAIC-C71rear.jpg

nzsaab

04-23-2010, 03:05 AM

nzsaab

04-23-2010, 03:38 AM

Some relaxing photos of our wonderful princess - 9-5 in Sweden

My favourite shot:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/wednesday_snippets_-_volcano_vs_saab/Saab9-5snow2.jpg

And theres these:

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/wednesday_snippets_-_volcano_vs_saab/Saab9-5snow1.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/wednesday_snippets_-_volcano_vs_saab/Saab9-5snow3.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/wednesday_snippets_-_volcano_vs_saab/Saab9-5snow4.jpg

nzsaab

04-23-2010, 03:39 AM

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/wednesday_snippets_-_volcano_vs_saab/Saab9-5snow5.jpg

KiwiGuy

04-23-2010, 04:59 AM

Introducing the C60!!!!

Based on Saab 9-3

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/new_saab-based_models_from_beijing_-_in_the_metal/BAIC-C60front.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/new_saab-based_models_from_beijing_-_in_the_metal/BAIC-C60siderear.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/more_on_beijing_automotives_saab-based_show_cars/BitAutoBAIC-C71.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/BAIC-C60interior.jpg

I am LOVING it, even though they could have been a bit more imaginative with the interior. A modern looking sedan with a dashboard from 1986-not too good but let's hope they change it. Still, I wouldn't have said all those awful things about the 9-5 had it looked like this. It's fantastic!

I wonder what the phrase for "torque steer" is in Chinese?

nzsaab

04-25-2010, 01:11 AM

The interior is not from 1986! It was developed under the financial constraints that GM allowed it to be in. It was so plasticy because GM's "Traits" in build quality had set in quickly.

nzsaab

04-25-2010, 01:12 AM

C71

It looks very modern. Considering the platform is 14 years old (since launcg) its actualy older.

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/teknikens_varld_drive_last_saab_9-5_check_out_baic_saabs/C71EV-TV.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/teknikens_varld_drive_last_saab_9-5_check_out_baic_saabs/C71Interior.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/teknikens_varld_drive_last_saab_9-5_check_out_baic_saabs/C71helloladies.jpg

nzsaab

04-25-2010, 01:16 AM

C60

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/teknikens_varld_drive_last_saab_9-5_check_out_baic_saabs/C60front.jpg

http://www.saabsunited.com/upload/images2010/04/teknikens_varld_drive_last_saab_9-5_check_out_baic_saabs/C60rear.jpg

KiwiGuy

05-26-2010, 11:46 PM

BAIC to distribute Saab cars in China

From China Car Times:
As well as buying old Saab platforms, Beijing Automotive Industry Corporation (BAIC) has gained the rights to distribute Saab vehicles in China. It is still unclear how exactly BAIC plans to distribute Saab vehicles in China, if they plan to set up a new Saab dealership network totally devoted to Saab, or use its existing dealership network that already deals in Mitsubishi, Jeep and Chrysler products under one roof nationwide.

Saab has never performed extremely well in China with only a smattering of dealers in Beijing, Shanghai and Chengdu, as at the time Shanghai-GM were more focused on promoting the Cadillac brand in China and also Buick as a semi luxury brand, thus Saab fell by the wayside in China.

Saab arrived in China in 2002 with high hopes for a soon to be burgeoning market, however sales failed to lift off and by 2008 yearly sales were at just 800 units for the whole country. Under Sypker and BAIC stewardship, Saab China is now aiming to sell 5000 units in 2011 when they finally return to China at the end of the year, and Saab will be aiming at the premium car segment where Audi, BMW and Mercedes rule supreme. As reported before on CCT, Saab plans to sell 5000 cars in the first year in business in China, which is set to account for 10% of their global sales.

nzsaab

05-27-2010, 12:14 AM

Ive also heard this story. It has been denied by Saab Automobile AB and Spyker Cars NV. There are no co-operations between Saab and BAIC other than the old 9-5 and 9-3. No distribution agreements or confirmation of talks yet.

Rally Red Lancer GTS

05-27-2010, 01:24 PM

nzsaab-will BAIC build and distribute the 9-5 in China for Spyker/Saab?

KiwiGuy

05-28-2010, 12:51 AM

Wouldn't think so. BAIC would have to sign a joint venture and at this moment, I don't think Saab would have the money to invest in a JV at this present time.

nzsaab

06-11-2010, 09:01 AM

KiwiGuy

Im afraid that your thoughts that Saab could not afford to be involved in joint ventures is unjustified.

Infact Saab is one of only a few car makers that actualy have money in their bank account! (partly due to the sale of the old 9-5 and 9-3 to the Chinese and also because of the EIB loan)

Saab are apparently in talks with BMW as we speak over possible joint powertrain developments and perhaps even platform development ventures. I have heard through the grape vine that Saab's top people have been in Munich this week talking about something.

Saab are extremly busy with restocking the world of Saab cars following the great 2009 drought of quality automobiles (also known as the Great Saab Drought of 2009) whereby GM almost fully depleated Saabs stocks by shutting down the factory early and sacking workers.

Saab have in the past month emlpoyed more than 100 people in Trollhatten to build the ever expanding lineup. Being the 9-3 range, SportSedan, SportCombi, Convertible and 9-3x as well as the all new 9-5 Sedan

These important models are all destined for the United States or Europe with Canada a close third. The rest of the world will have to wait until these markets are up and running. There are only about 600 of the new MY2010 9-5 Sedan coming to the US.

Saab, under Spyker, are producing between 150-200 cars per day. Last year GM had them on one shift building 100 per day.

Saab-Spyker have taken a new cost effective approach to inventory (execpt in the US). Saab will now only offer a couple of demonstrators to dealerships and then build to order. That way Saab know that every car going down the line has a home to go to and wont sit in inventory lots for 12 months then get sold for cheap.

It is my guess that Saab will get involved with BAIC in the next few years in the way of distrubution perhaps.

As for NZ and Australia, we are probably on the list next to Asia in terms of priority. Im very postive that Australia is important to Saab. They have in the past sold more than 1000 cars a year there. In Australia Saab have 24 dealers. The 9-3 Convertible between 1997-2006 outsold BMW and Audi converts 3 to 1. Infact in 1.9TID form its the most efficient convertible of any class in Australia.

I have written far more than I intended but I havnt spoken for a while. Theres your updates guys.