Great Wall Haval H5 [Archive]

micodelija

04-27-2009, 04:41 AM

mememe

04-27-2009, 08:21 AM

^^ The Euro press is just simply following the trend which was started off by Germany and their beloved ADAC.

LOL sit in the car then say it's poor quality. Did you ask them which part of it look poor quality and how they know it ?

They were probably from a French branch of the ADAC group. lol

micodelija

04-29-2009, 04:56 PM

but it's stupid, i was wondering what photos he is taking for? also it was funny when that press-man ask who will buy this car in europe and gentelman from italy told to him that they import over 1000 vehicles...hehehe :)

mememe

04-30-2009, 05:27 AM

^^ It's like asking where would the french cars be now without the help of the Japanese. Talking about how these people forgot the past reputation of French cars.

Enrico

04-30-2009, 06:21 AM

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here it is, the new H5 live, new interior, new seats, more airbags,new side doors panels

Hi Mico....i hope you have a good travel to Shangai...you're very lucky...thank you for the photos...i can say that H5 expeccially inside a is very very beautiful...GWM has developed very well our Hover.

Yesterday i reach 10000 km with my Hover in only 2 months of life: great comfort, good offroad, ZERO PROBLEMS.
About the press i think that there is quite a 'political war' in which everyone has to deny chinese cars and whatever coming from china.
I'd like to show the wonder in the faces of all the people i meet evey day with my Hover to the press!!
We all know the power of sponsorization that Euopean, American and Japanese Car industry has on press: but our eyes works still better!!

Up GWM

P.s. do you know if H5 will arrive soon in Italy. Thanks a lot

micodelija

04-30-2009, 09:24 AM

i can only say...the italian importer was there and we sit together in vehicle :) :)

tdi

04-30-2009, 09:43 AM

the european press is lobying against the Chinese.
Last week on a portuguese online autonewspaper they were
bashing to a chinese car that were in Shanghai autoshow

A reader left a coment saying something like> If it had a vw logo on it
i bet it was the future of auto industry for you.

micodelija

04-30-2009, 01:31 PM

yes...and now VW ask BYD to sell them batteries :),haha

Rally Red Lancer GTS

05-01-2009, 12:27 AM

Which is probably good publicity, though, for BYD and their battery prowess, huh?

tiho666

05-07-2009, 03:47 PM

mićo što nisi neku kineskinju lijepo stavio porer auta? h 5 je prva liga. ajoj kako je lijep. aj pozdrav . tiho split.:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

micodelija

05-07-2009, 05:04 PM

haha, ma dobro je što sam ga uopće poslikao, bila je jako velika gužva na sajmu :thumb:

tiho666

05-09-2009, 12:21 PM

ma ti si genije. svaka čast na slikama. nevjerojatno skladan izunutra i izvana. .još jednom sve najbolje od nas iz splita. :thumb:

micodelija

05-09-2009, 05:24 PM

zaista ogroman napredak, novi motor, novi interijer, udobnija sjedala i komfornija, više zračnih jastuka, itd itd, tiho ja bi te samo molio da mi ovako komuniciramo preko privatnih poruka, ipak ovdje večina ljudi govori samo engleski i već sam dobio nekoliko upita o čemu se radi, pozdrav :thumb:

daewoo-chevrolet

06-24-2009, 11:39 AM

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http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/rr332/rutgervandermaar/23-16-27-22-804348479.jpg

Source: http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/200906/63775.html

TonyJZX

06-24-2009, 01:00 PM

front looks like a Mazda CX7 or CX9 or whatever

and how come no automatic boxes? they won't ever succeed there since most people can't drive autos

micodelija

06-26-2009, 05:24 AM

gwm plans to install automatic gearboxes in hover, but they must did some modification and changes on the chassis because of that, some new models like cowry or florid got automatic transmissions and gwm present them at the auto show, also front of new hover is little bit similiar to mazda, but hover is complety different vehicle, mazda don't have such aggresive 4x4 mode like hover, also mazda here in croatia offer only gasoline turbo engine with 260 HP, it's more like crossover vehicle while hover is really off road vehicle with that 4x4 mode which he had

also one intresting thing, on second photo you can see two new colors for florid model, first car from the left is like champagne gold and 4th car is really strong blue color

Rally Red Lancer GTS

06-26-2009, 03:20 PM

micodelija-is the new Mazda3 for sale where you live(2010 model), yet?

micodelija

06-26-2009, 04:40 PM

http://www.mazda.hr/showroom/mazda3/overview/
if you mean this model, yes

but I am wondering what this information have with new hover?

Rally Red Lancer GTS

06-27-2009, 02:44 PM

It is indeed off-topic, micodelija. Thanks for your response on the Maz3, though!

lovely09

07-29-2009, 09:58 PM

I agree,it has more great design of a hover.I like it as a family car and i'm sure everyone will love it as well.Competitions in the market is very wide but it has something to do with the car xfactor.

labaie

08-11-2009, 06:39 AM

Great Wall has indicated that its Hover H5 SUV would get a 2.0-litre diesel option, as would the Cowry MPV for the Chinese market. It is not clear if the 2.0-litre engine is the same as an advanced 110kW/310Nm 2.0-litre diesel displayed at the Shanghai show last year. Responding to an apparent shortfall – the lack of safety equipment on the entry-level model– Great Wall said the model would not gain airbags, ABS brakes or a high-mounted stop-light any time soon, as these features were not available on the vehicle from the factory.

micodelija

10-20-2009, 05:57 PM

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/431/500fd6e194703ae4cb887b7.jpg

here i just found one photo of diesel model of H5, also it have different hood and front grill, by that i think that it's a intercooler engine inside, but i don't know which

KiwiGuy

10-20-2009, 11:31 PM

Looks to me like a turbo variant. Maybe it is a concept with the new 2.8 litre turbodiesel?

cuisine

10-21-2009, 09:00 AM

it looks like nissan murano for me. previous mask was better :-/

rshlexington

11-06-2009, 04:45 PM

I think that the diesel looks much more aggressive than the gas model, with the different grille and hood scoop. Does the dashboard (esp. top part) remind anyone of the SEAT exea?

simtopia23

01-02-2010, 08:38 AM

thank you very much, you can see lot of improvments on this new hover, by my opinion they simply improve all by the demands of the european customers, there was also a manager from italy and we is also delighted with the vehicles, i think that this car will be more and more competetive at any market

some european press was there and I told with them, from france, they sit into car and take a photo under the dashboard, i ask him why he is doing it and he told me tha this car is poor quality??? i was shocked, there was also some more people with him, next to GWM was BMW and i show him differences between bmw x5 and hover, that hover have much stronger 4x4 sistem, especially with 4L mode, hover also have chassis which bmw don't have so he can very easily drive on heavy off road, i also present to them the mitsubishi engine, brake sistem from bosch etc...and they was so suprised with it, i also told to them that my car have 100.000 km and that they can arrive in croatia anytime they want to try it, also i present them the price...you can get luxury suv from 23000 €, and in europe you can't buy and luxury suv under 30000 € which will have drive skills and equipment like hover

i am wondering why european press came there to write something bad, they told to me that they never drive this car before and how can they be sure in his quality if they never see the production line and have a test ride???

Hello, I am Italian and unfortunately I can not agree with you.

it is true that there aren't models of luxury in Italy or in Europe at that price but European standards are much higher overall quality of Chinese.

in Italy there is a dr who sells Chery models but many customers have complained about various technical problems in these cars and unfortunately DR for most of the cases does not solve anything.

great wall hover H3 in Italy sells something because ths veichle has gas engines that, thanks to ecoincentives are down prices but these cars are poor if we test with an european cas.

How did the crash test of these great wall?? in this car is there ESP system?? and diesel engines? Another problem is the fact that we can not prove that these cars can last after 100 000 km or 200 000 km.

also the fact that fiat Fiat has accused Great Wall of copying its models certainly will not help this brand, especially in Italy where people estimate the Fiat group

for that price one might prefer to take a nissan qashqai in Italy is very cool and the price is low.

however the hover h7 seems a merger between a Mazda and a hover h3

micodelija

01-02-2010, 06:48 PM

first...you should read topics before to discuss about this :confused: you will found many your answers there

yes, first i see that you have much different opinion and compare wrong vehicles, dr motor is a vehicles from chery group, so we shoudn't go off topic, dr 3 or 5 are much smaller vehicles then hover and problem there is in the manifactuiring in italy and selling under dr brand, for me serius brand will never give anybody to sell their vehciles under other brand, it's like you sell bmw with other name, this is not serisus, also the italians are doing their own modifications, fiat engines and so on...so i am also sure that there is some problems, but there is other issue,car sale statistic in italy selling of dr motor is going quite well, in italy there is also gonow, who try to sell their vehicles under katay brand name in italy, you see what happend? gonow is now selling under gonow brand in italy, not any other name, i am sure that company see that rename the products isn't good

now we talk about hover, i don't see any problem is vehicle have lpg or cng, hover have mitsubishi 4g64 engine which can pass over 500.000 without problem,this is "old school engines", they maybe aren't with much power, they maybe spend little bit more fuel but they are reliable! also there is some chinese laws which effect on that why hover and manyother chinese suv have this engine, also you write that this vehciles can't pass 100 or 200000 km, this is wrong, surf thru the topics more, only my car have 120.000 km, i also post of photo of hover which have over 220.000 km,join to chinese website autohome and bbs, you will found hover with over million km, join to chinamobil russian site and see what is hover in difficult weather like in russia, after all buy a hover and drive it for 4 year and then talk about the car, for the crash test i have certificates from test according by euro ncap, i have test from china-ncap, i have test from homologation, and finnaly i have personal test(fall into 40m dig),when you have expiriance like this...the car pass all possible tests, how is the chance that you will have the same crash during driving like those tests?? those tests are good for marketing and advertising, hothing more, in car accident you really should have so much luck and that god be with you

this old model of hover maybe don't have esp and 8 airbags, but is it really nessesary??? how many time you need esp and airbags??? you bought a car to hit with him in a wall or to drive it normaly? also for the esp, hover is a serius suv with real 4x4 mode, have you even see the chasis and 4x4 mode of hover? it's very simmilar to general motors(hover is based on isuzu) and toyota (gwm bought production line)

also it's very silly to compare nissan qq and hover because hover is much bigger, hover have much better 4x4 mode, those vehciles aren't the same class, you can compare hover with vehicles like hyundai santa fe, nissan xtrail, suzuki grand vitara, chevrolet captiva, honda crv, mitsubishi outlander or kia sorento and so on, but check first their prices with 4x4 and lot of extra which hover offer in serial equipment, all those vehicles cost over 30000€,and hover with full extra and 4x4 mode cost 23000, for 7000€ and much chaper cost of maintance...i personaly don't care for esp, 8 airbags and and other stuff, because i don't need this, the same is like for diesel engine, personaly i will never buy any car with diesel engine, diesel engines are noisy, more expensive for maintance,they stink, i had many luxurius cars like mercedes, bmw, chrysler, and others...all with gasoline engine, i had diesel only 1 time, vw passat and after that i decide that i will never buy diesel engine anymore, diesel engine should be used in tractors and trucks, not is big comfortable suv

also for that fiat law suit against great wall, firstly gwm didn't have plans to export peri to european markets,this is press writing idiotic articles, second...do you know how many italians work in gwm??? when you found out that you will know how fiat panda came into china

simtopia23

01-03-2010, 12:57 PM

ok I apologize for not having read the rest of the debate, I went a bit 'running writing.

I made comparisons to show the current situation of Chinese models in Italy, the DR I just wanted to talk about the problems of these cars are really cheap and unreliable, and read blogs on the Internet against 90 cars in 100 DR because of the problems that have not always linked to the assembly or the Italian Fiat engine (actually the engine fiat nobody says anything, the 1.9 multjet 120hp is fabulous).

about the great wall hover so we go more specifically, the old version is perhaps the most reliable car I am sure the Chinese and the only problem is the engine idle and wasteful.

about the ESP really helps so much in an emergency but ok let's say you do not need the system, between those years, Europe will make it mandatory on all cars 3? 4 at most? now all the houses make it a series because it is true is not essential but if you run less risk.

I ask you a question: Have you ever driven a Volvo? Volvos are full of non-core technologies that you define but when you make you really comfortable such as City Safety is very useful because it often happens in cities when you stand in line to accelerate even if you have a car stops in front (maybe u are distracted) and believe me it often happens in big cities with the City Safety will avoid all that money wasted in such incidents and this is just an example of all the times you want to do this.

Nissan QQ is an example of a car with the same price as a GW Hover but not of the same segment, it is clear that the Hover that costs less but because it offers a lower quality, we want to compare the quality of materials of a CRV or a RAV4 with that of the great wall hover? it is clear that the hover is cheaper but because it is cheaper in many respects.

hover on the diesel engine that is more than an SUV is not much, but the engine itself is great, my mother has a Nissan Micra 1.5 DCI and believe me that engine is incredible, makes type 22 km / l and is very fast since the 'car weighs 1000kg, when you try a 1.6 HDI completely change your mind, is extremely quiet, consumes little and push hard.

ah then another question: I don't understand why the Chinese always have to copy the lines of other models? in this case because they put the front of a Mazda CX7 old front was nice hover

PS: sorry for my terrible English

micodelija

01-03-2010, 01:19 PM

intresting reply...personaly i will never buy a vehcile such as dr, simply it's not my type, anway it's good that car have fiat engines, i have fiat for over 10 years in my house and never we have any problems with them, i also have stilo 1.9 jtd,not for long time but this car almost go like my old bmw 525

for the ESP, EU will very soon make this as a standard, maybe it's good because over 90% drivers are very bad and made only 10000 km per year, i made over 80000 km per year and i really don't need the ESP, personaly this don't bother me so much, but it will be good that car have it, for many other users which don't have so much expiricance

for the volvo i can say all best, i had couple of them, s40, s940 and xc90. but they was very expensive for maintance, also here in croatia you don't have any good service for them, i will not compare a hover with volvo, volvo was a brand which always pay big attention to the security

but we can compare hover in other way, for over 5 years hover is best selling suv in china, hover got many european certificates, hover is selling in whole world, it's not avalaible in sale in US only, for all chinese suv's i can say that hover is best from them, in 2008 i personaly agree that hover was offical vehicle of croatian olimpic delegation and they was also delighted with them

for diesel engines, my uncle had renault clio with 1.5 dci, he had so much problems with it, especially with turbo and oil leakage, 1.6 hdi i had in my old cars where i work before, citroen c4, it goes well, don't spend so much fuel and simply it's not reliable, this small enignes can be used in small crossover vehicles like nissan qq, but in big suv like hover? hover have over 500 kg more then nissan, also it's much more comfortable, i had before mercedes ml and bmw x5, hover suspension is much better,100%, because i pass so much km per year i am quite sure in that, personaly for me is most important that engine is reliable, he never leave me on the road and i also have LPG sistem on it, you can read a topic here...100.000 km with my hover, you can see there my car, which i buy from italy

i don't agree that hover is copy of mazda cx7, my friend have it, car's are maybe similiar but not copy like gonow for example, check the model from gonow, it's almost 90% same like toyota land crusier/prado, hover design was made by italian desing studio and mainly keep the base from isuzu axiom, you also must know many chinese laws which allow those copy paste things in china, but mainly those vehicles aren't allowed for export, especially after so much affairs

simtopia23

01-03-2010, 03:37 PM

i know the old stilo is very terrible and unreliable.

i'm agree about esp, volvo, Diesel i think is good if the engine is large and powerful for example the CX7 2.2. D, Rav4 2.2 D-4D and CRV 2.2 I-CDTI are good because a gasoline engine consumes much more and for large diesel vehicles in Europe are a must for moving vehicles because of the weight it takes enormous engines and Europe have them for an average citizen is difficult.
I think that if the Great Wall wants to sell so will produce a large petrol engine but powerful (133hp are too few) and also a good engine above 2.0.

for you maybe can fit well but maybe there are customers who seek quality of materials,i don't say that the great wall hover is a bad SUV, I saw him live and I know how he is everything but an explanation lower cost = worst finishes (which then may be of interest to the buyer or not does not matter)

I was referring to the great wall hover H5 front looks like a Mazda SUV.

PS: do u speak italian???

micodelija

01-04-2010, 08:48 AM

yes, hover in the future will have completley new engines, problem is law about fuel consuption in china, that's the reason why they are little bit limited with the power, simply the law don't allow stronger engines if it not complies the chinese law about fuel, you can now buy diesel engine in china, 2.8 tci and 2.5 tci but because of that law they are also limited to 80-85 kw

in the future hover will have a 2.0 diesel engine with at least 150 hp, and gasoline engines which will be 3.0 v6 enignes with over 200 hp

for the interior, in the old model which is selling in italy, simply this interior is took from isuzu axiom, isuzu axiom is model from 2002 year and gwm didn't change it nothing, only install there dvd and gps, new interior is much better quality, and finishing is also much better,however i now have hover for 4 years and don't have any problem with the interior, nothing is broke, nothing is making noisy sound

i am sorry, i don't speak italian, do you speak croatian? :)

simtopia23

01-04-2010, 04:22 PM

micodelija

01-04-2010, 05:39 PM

this is something different, not same category, this chinese laws aren't identical to type of vehicles, also great wall is know in china as low fuel consumers, many times great wall promote their engines like that, you have much promotions where diesel engine spend only 4,7 liters of diesel per 100 km, then small 1.5 gasoline engine spend only 2.6 liters and so on, you should join some chinese forums, you will found many intresting things there

for the hover h5, it will have updated enignes, mitsubishi 4g69 with 136 hp, steed have the same engine but with 126 hp, simply reprogramed the ecu sistem, also great wall also plans for europe to offer new diesel 4d20 engine, with 150 hp, i have a test ride with model which have 136 hp

also there is a big chance that great wall wil NOT offer H5 in europe, because completley new model is developing for europe

poonamt93

01-06-2010, 04:56 AM

I love this Hover H5 car really it look much cute and very attractive.The photo itself is so brilliant how will be the car i am thinking that..I love this color and all the features of the car are very good..
Amazing car.Survival Kits......:)

strangerover

02-06-2010, 04:12 PM

What sort of price is the H5 in China ??

micodelija

04-10-2010, 08:37 AM

http://i40.tinypic.com/2s0itnb.jpg
new black interior in H5
http://i44.tinypic.com/34yy3rp.jpg
automatic gearbox

geralilio

04-12-2010, 09:19 PM

hey mico, you think we can order hover h3 with hover h5 interior plus automatic transmission?

micodelija

04-13-2010, 03:40 AM

usually great wall don't allow such orders, before couple of years we demand from tham to put gwm safe interior in deer model, so they change it, during my last visit in company i saw many old models of hover with new interior from h5, and i also see many new models h5 with old inteiror, because those vehicles was used for testing,technicaly speaking i think that all of that fits in every model without problem, outside parts not, i also see couple of model with automatic gearbox but anyway main problem was 4x4 mode, simply with automatic they offer to us only 4x2 model

maybe you can see it clear on these photos but there is many changes when i compare older models and this h5 redesigned model, firstly is interior, new light, new seats, comands on sterring wheel, whole instrument panel, but there is also some technical changes on suspension and on color and anti corrosive protection, which is much better now

maybe you can order modified vehicles for your market, but this will take to you long production time, one time we order special made vehicles according to our wishes and production was very long, best it to order that when they offer regulary, becasue with that you can got your vehicles normlay, for 20-25 days they was finished

geralilio

04-13-2010, 11:33 AM

thanks for replying mico! i guess i have to wait until we are able to assemble here in the philippines. There's an old plant that our distributor is modernizing at the moment, and hopefully by june, we'll be assembling units here already.

hopefully we could also come out with a diesel cowry model, because that will surely sell better here in our market.

jeanlee411

04-21-2010, 09:11 PM

Wow, the Hover H5 is one beautiful new SUV, micodelija. You make a great European salesman for the Hover SUV's. Readers can really tell that you love this company's SUV's, and I'll bet your experience has been a very good one with their SUV's.

Your dedication is very admirable, and continue on with the excellent reporting!

micodelija

04-22-2010, 04:32 AM

hello jeanlee, welcome to the forum and thank you on your compliments

if you have chance you should visit great wall company as well, they are very friendly and you can learn so much there, especially when you see whole production line, all people there will explain to you all what you want to know, that's the reason why i like this company

i am stasfied with them because I drive hover model from 2006 year, when first models was pushed on sell from production, so almost 4 year and apsolutly never i had any bigger problems with this car, on my every travel thru europe i have very comfortable and safe driving, and this suv have much competetive price to other, you can't buy such luxury suv for 20,000€, so this is a big plus for them, quality is good, don't have any spare parts problem...you must be satisfied :thumb:

for now in my personal use i have all types of great wall models, deer, safe, hover, wingle, diesel or gasoline i drive them all, most km i pass with hover and wingle, and how i hope that i will be able to buy new models

micodelija

04-28-2010, 07:26 AM

here is some things which i like about new h5, first they change interior and offer automatic gearbox with 4x4, anti corrosive protection is also updates with very quality sistem from sweden, but there is some other things like:
http://www.autoimg.cn/shows/2010/4/23/oa/2010042317113861632.jpg
side airbags in seats
http://www.autoimg.cn/shows/2010/4/23/oa/2010042317150125632.jpg
airbags in middle panel, this is very good
http://i41.tinypic.com/e865v9.jpg
on diesel model there is not 4h and 4l mode, car is now updated with awd drive and have esp

so if we check now, automatic gearbox, better anti corrrosive proteciton, new outside look, new interior, new seats, more airbags, abs+esp and awd sistem....hover became a real suv :thumb:

micodelija

04-28-2010, 07:29 AM

http://www.autoimg.cn/shows/2010/4/23/oa/2010042317020375032.jpg
http://www.autoimg.cn/shows/2010/4/23/oa/2010042317015932832.jpg

really impressive and comfortable front and rear seats, also now there is 3 back rest at rear seats, i drive this new model and this new seats are very comfortable, little bit softer and more elegant, i think that h5 will be great succes for gwm, to update it sale in china because dongfeng honda crv and faw toyota rav4 is now selling almost good like hover in last year

simtopia23

05-12-2010, 05:00 PM

omg the actual gw hover get 4 stars at australian crash test

http://www.ancap.com.au/results/356/

micodelija

05-12-2010, 05:30 PM

i already publish the news in topic...great wall australia

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geralilio

05-28-2010, 11:56 AM

This is the "Euro-Version" right?

I think I like the other version of the H5. How about you guys?

martin_krpan

05-29-2010, 06:52 AM

This is probably just the evolution of H3, right?

H5 offers some interesting feauters.

-Rear-view camera:
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-30-foto_4219952_17407155_18200579.jpg

-Steering wheel mounted audio controls:
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-30-foto_4219952_17407155_18200580.jpg

-Leather-covered electrically adjustable seat:
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-30-foto_4219952_17407155_18200578.jpg

micodelija

06-08-2010, 05:40 AM

haval h5 start it selling in china, but for us from europe this is most important:
http://www.gwm.com.cn/spec/havalH5ss/images/rz.gif
vca certificate
http://www.gwm.com.cn/spec/havalH5ss/images/pic_12_0.jpg
new black color
http://www.gwm.com.cn/spec/havalH5ss/images/pic_4_2.jpg
new luxury interior

in vca approval list there is also:
30.安全玻璃-Safety glazing 2007/307/EC
31.正碰-Frontal impact EC 1999/98
32.侧碰-Side impact EC 96/27
33.行人保护-Pedestrian Protection 2003/102/EC
list of approved safety certificates :thumb:

well done GWM

Enrico

06-08-2010, 09:35 AM

We 're very happy....i'm waiting Haval H5 ...maybe the only good replace for my Hover :-)

micodelija

06-08-2010, 10:01 AM

first models are already exported to italy :thumb:

geralilio

06-09-2010, 06:38 AM

Hi Mico,

I got a brochure from Beijing Motor Show which shows 2 versions of the H5, the GKC version and the Euro Version. Where will the GKC version be sold? And why did great wall find it necessary to make 2 versions of the H5?

Thanks!

micodelija

06-09-2010, 10:22 AM

they plan to offer GKC version in china, i don't know why GWM do that, but I think that this made really good selling results from them, i don't know if you are informed but hover h3 with 2.0 engine is chaper then hover with 2.4 engine, so many customer now have their chance to buy a hover

i think maybe this is the solution, this move made hover models best selling in china, so maybe this is something why they doing it :)

geralilio

06-09-2010, 11:48 AM

We only have the 2.8L diesel Hovers here in the Philippines. When you said 2.0 engine, are you referring to the 2.0L Turbo Diesel that's more powerful than the 2.8L TC?

Thanks Mico!

micodelija

06-09-2010, 04:23 PM

no my friend, in hover h3 models you have 2.0 gasoline engine, 4g63 with 90 kw :thumb: , but this car have little bit lower price then models 2.4 with 4g64 and 4g69 engine

tdi

06-09-2010, 06:26 PM

Hi Mico, i believe that the 2.0 diesel version is more expensive than the 2.8 t.c. diesel version of it

micodelija

06-10-2010, 03:10 AM

you lost im somewhere, i don't talk about diesel engines, gwm still don't have in the production 2.0 diesel engine, it was showed at 2008 year shanghai auto show and nothing more, but if 2.0 diesel engine will be in production maybe it will have little bit more expensive price, diesel engines are usually more expensive than gasoline at almost every car brand

micodelija

06-10-2010, 03:14 AM

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/5235/u_5235511991657.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/5233/u_5233772017339.jpg

here is photo of h3 model and engine of it, it's 2.0 4g63 engine with 90 kw
http://www.gwm.com.cn/eng/html/models/hover3_tech.asp
other specification
this model is cheapest version of hover on the chinese market

geralilio

06-10-2010, 03:17 AM

Oh... I see... Thanks Mico! So what engine does those units in Italy use, the 2.0L gasoline engine?

Coz it says in the brochure that the Euro H5 units use GW4D20 2.0L Diesel with 110kW and 210Nm torque.

micodelija

06-10-2010, 04:27 PM

in italy hover h5 will be offered with mitsubishi 4g69 engine, 100 kw and 200 nm, gasoline engine

geralilio

06-11-2010, 09:44 AM

ok thanks mico! one last question, at the dashboard of the hover, there's a "wrench" symbol that sometimes lights up. what does this mean?

micodelija

06-12-2010, 03:44 AM

hahaha,last question...you can ask me whatever you want, no problem at all, now i don't understand what do you mean by this "wrench", can you post a photo maybe?

geralilio

07-07-2010, 06:10 AM

Hi Mico,

Here is the wrench that I was talking about:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gwcars/4770422669/

geralilio

07-07-2010, 06:12 AM

I'm having a hard time posting pictures from flickr, so kindly right click and open in a new window.

Sorry :D

micodelija

07-07-2010, 03:37 PM

ah..now i know what you mean, i don't have models with that here, so i don't know, but i had similar check sign on my audi, usually you need a diagnostic sistem to delete noticifation for service,here is a sample, when you pass 20000 km with car, notification for service turn on, when you make service the repair man should reset that notification, so it turn on again after 20000 km, simply notify the owner when you must to a service

geralilio

07-07-2010, 10:45 PM

oh i see... thanks mico! by the way, you can also see lots of pictures of our dealership there in our flickr account.

thanks again!

Maxy

07-08-2010, 02:51 AM

Hi,

I happen to live in China & have been driving one of the GW Hover diesel models for 3+ years. They hold up well, are roomy, safe & for only 120k RMB, was a steal compared to other Chinese & JV SUV models here.

micodelija

07-08-2010, 03:42 AM

gerallio...yes i saw many other pictures, nice photos you got there :)
maxy...welcome to the forums, it's glad to see owner of hover here, please fell free to share your expiriances with us, how many kilometers you hover have, some photos and other :)

V240

07-08-2010, 05:56 PM

I Think micodelija is right, all cars I own before with this warning symbol has meant the car needs it's normal servicing and engine oil done.

micodelija

07-15-2010, 10:13 AM

h5 came into italy, it's already published on offical website of the importer :thumb:

simtopia23

07-24-2010, 09:08 AM

yes and looks really good:)

http://www.greatwall.it/

geralilio

08-11-2010, 01:34 AM

any news about the automatic variant?

martin_krpan

08-26-2010, 10:36 AM

H5 for Chinese market:
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-18-foto_4219952_17405620_18162898.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-30-foto_4219952_17407155_18200572.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-18-foto_4219952_17405620_18162897.jpg
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/1/822231.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/1/822233.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/1/822225.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/1/822223.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/1/822224.html

martin_krpan

08-26-2010, 10:37 AM

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-18-foto_4219952_17405620_18162896.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-18-foto_4219952_17405620_18162895.jpg
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/10/822211.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/10/822210.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/10/822182.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/10/822183.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/10/822179.html

martin_krpan

08-26-2010, 10:39 AM

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-30-foto_4219952_17407155_18200571.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-18-foto_4219952_17405620_18162894.jpg
http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-30-foto_4219952_17407155_18200570.jpg
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/3/822169.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/3/822171.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/3/822154.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/12/822312.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/12/822307.html
http://car.autohome.com.cn/photo/8333/12/822266.html

more at:
http://car.autohome.com.cn/pic/series-s8333/2027.html?pvareaid=100635

geralilio

08-26-2010, 11:28 AM

is this look exclusive for china? will it have a/t like the euro version?

martin_krpan

08-27-2010, 07:07 AM

The Greatwall Hover H5, known as the Hover ‘Euro Spec’ model has launched on August 26th and is likely to become one of the models that is at the forefront of GWM’s European expansion plan.
For the Chinese market the H5 will come with a choice of three engines, and in three specifications for each. The base model is a 2.0L model priced from 92,800rmb to 112,800rmb and a 2.4L priced from 99,800rmb to 139,800rmb and the flagship 2.5TCI diesel model is priced from 126,800rmb to 158,800rmb.

http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201008/136514.html

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/6923/w_201007010859096133343.jpg

micodelija

08-28-2010, 07:08 AM

is this look exclusive for china? will it have a/t like the euro version?

yes, hover is now mixed in 4 versions i put the picture before, h5 euro, h5 extreme( which is here in upper photo) and other, regular models with two style of grills

automatic version bill be offered only with diesel engine:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5201/dieselq.jpg
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6859/laberl.jpg
for chinese market it will have 110 kw, for european market it will have 103 kw

geralilio

08-28-2010, 11:14 AM

wow, is this the 2.0L diesel with variable geometry turbo? with output of 147hp and 300Nm torque?

daewoo-chevrolet

09-17-2010, 02:14 PM

Haval H5 Extreme Edition live @ Chengdu Motor Show:

http://img3.bitautoimg.com/autoalbum/files/20100917/430/0756064306_1412890_3.jpg

http://img3.bitautoimg.com/autoalbum/files/20100917/571/0756075712_1412894_3.jpg

http://img2.bitautoimg.com/autoalbum/files/20100917/383/0756083837_1412897_3.jpg

8 photos: http://photo.bitauto.com/exhibit/picture/37639/0/

martin_krpan

10-10-2010, 11:59 AM

H5 Extreme Edition with golden logo:
http://photo.auto.sina.com.cn/tupian/778

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18207188.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18207186.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18207187.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-31-foto_4219952_17408027_18207185.jpg

geralilio

10-11-2010, 09:44 PM

what's with the golden logo?

NamelessSoul

10-11-2010, 10:32 PM

The logo 'SINA AUTO'?
It is a internet auto media @ sina.com

Johnny Blaze

10-11-2010, 11:34 PM

H5 Extreme Edition with golden logo:

the only thing which is extreme is a logo :lol:

micodelija

10-12-2010, 04:34 PM

hahha...you should try it off road, with 4x4 sistem which have 4l mode...you can go anywhere :thumb:

martin_krpan

10-12-2010, 05:11 PM

micodelija, do you perhaps know why does H5 on upper pictures bear golden logo?

NamelessSoul

10-13-2010, 02:00 AM

I guess it just shows the different

micodelija

10-13-2010, 02:46 PM

micodelija, do you perhaps know why does H5 on upper pictures bear golden logo?

great wall usually like to put this logo on special edition of cars, like hover limo and others

micodelija

10-13-2010, 02:49 PM

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9065/5006a97f029748f420d9486.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/album/2010/10/12/500_6a97f029-748f-420d-9486-3b5f62506908.jpg

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1295/500e56b448c9b93495b8a6f.jpg
http://img.autohome.com.cn/album/2010/10/12/500_e56b448c-9b93-495b-8a6f-e0923770608e.jpg

geralilio

10-14-2010, 02:06 AM

wow 6-speed! how about the automatic transmission?

Johnny Blaze

10-14-2010, 08:23 AM

i thought 5 Liter sounds extreme...
2.4 is - ex 2.8 trimmed... =(

cuisine

10-14-2010, 10:26 AM

vw tdi engine ???

micodelija

10-18-2010, 04:00 AM

you also think so? when i see the engine firstly i also think that it's very similiar to VW

micodelija

10-18-2010, 04:04 AM

i thought 5 Liter sounds extreme...
2.4 is - ex 2.8 trimmed... =(

Chinese producers can't put 5.0 liter engines in their cars, it's not allowed because of laws which is connected with fuel consumption

micodelija

10-18-2010, 04:09 AM

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-32-foto_4219952_17409091_18226784.jpg
so here is a diesel engine, hover diesel now start is sale in china

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-32-foto_4219952_17409091_18226782.jpg
as i put photo before, 6 speed gearbox, pity that they still don't offer automatic version, but i hope that it will be offered soon

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-32-foto_4219952_17409091_18226781.jpg
vgt turbo

http://s2.mojalbum.com/kitajci-32-foto_4219952_17409091_18226780.jpg
new suspension with AWD sistem which now have TOD( torque on demand)

with this diesel engine and awd system hover now became more like all other suv vehicles, personally i like more classic 4x4 system with 4h and 4l mode, but mainly all SUV customers like more to have diesel engines with awd

Johnny Blaze

10-19-2010, 07:20 AM

Chinese producers can't put 5.0 liter engines in their cars, it's not allowed because of laws which is connected with fuel consumption
Not necessary 5.0, why the do not put 3.0 - 4.0 liter engine?
Car is really heavy and some buffer for power is a must.

micodelija

10-19-2010, 01:32 PM

it will be, firstly it will be launched new diesel engine, 2.0 with 150 hp, also it's finished new 2.0 gdi engine, with 160 hp, it's a gasoline version, final version should be 3.0 v6 engine with 220 hp

geralilio

10-22-2010, 06:34 AM

micodelija, is there any news about hover m3? i know the h6 is already being tested.

micodelija

12-16-2010, 06:02 AM

http://www.autohome.com.cn/drive/201012/160703-1.html

test of hover h5 with automatic transmission and cruise control, still it's only 4x2...so we must wait for 4x4 models

micodelija

12-18-2010, 05:04 AM

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1015/menjac.jpg
here it is...now as awd sistem, this is now a full size luxury suv, powerful diesel engine with 150 ps, cruise control, automatic transmission...all what you need for comfort drive, at chinese test car spend only 4.7 liter of diesel fuel per 100 km...very good :thumb:

cuisine

12-18-2010, 05:01 PM

there are 2wd and 4wd buttons - it is without low range ???

micodelija

12-19-2010, 07:28 AM

yes, auto.transmission is very big, so there is no space to put 4l mode, 4l mode will be at gasoline versions with regular gearbox, but diesel engine will have AWD sistem

bronco

02-24-2011, 11:34 AM

Dear all, recently I bought a Haval H5, it has cd stereo with USB and AUX input but it doesn´t work with Ipod. Anyone knows if this radio is made for ipod?

Thanks

tdi

02-24-2011, 05:52 PM

the haval m1 as the same problem. it doesn't work with i-po or nokia e-71

bronco

03-22-2011, 04:14 PM

I need roof bars for my Haval H5 but brands as Thule, Montblanc, Yakima or Prorack don´t produce roof bars for this specific model. If anyone knows another brand please let me know. Thanks

micodelija

03-23-2011, 04:04 PM

I need roof bars for my Haval H5 but brands as Thule, Montblanc, Yakima or Prorack don´t produce roof bars for this specific model. If anyone knows another brand please let me know. Thanks

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1122/cuvroofrack.jpg
is this what you need, this is for H5 model

The Emgrand

04-16-2011, 02:20 AM

This was just released as the face-lifted version of the Hover in Australia badged as a X240. I'm going down to my local Great Wall dealer next week to check one out. It looks fantastic and the new front really suits it and the interior is pretty classy.

KiwiGuy

05-03-2011, 03:39 AM

Managed to see one of the new facelifted models tucked away behind the dealership today. Looks interesting.

martin_krpan

05-07-2011, 02:44 PM

Hover5 2.4 Ecodual shot in Monfalcone:
http://s2.mojalbum.com/avto7-foto_4219952_17450250_18719577.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/avto7-foto_4219952_17450250_18719582.jpg

http://s2.mojalbum.com/avto7-foto_4219952_17450250_18719571.jpg

alby13

05-07-2011, 05:43 PM

and here is temporary model h3, which will be on the market unitl h5 was finished, this h3 look much better to me:
http://img5.bitauto.com/UploadPic/Vendor/News/100003401/2009327102942468.jpg

http://img5.bitauto.com/UploadPic/Vendor/News/100003401/200932710275978.jpg

new grill and new front bumper, also the engines are still old based mitsubishi engine, most of manifactures offer an engines with 110, 120 kw...and gwm still have 100 kw, also they use new technology for passenger car, and i just wondering why they didn't install newer and modern engine in hover, i have no doubt in quality of that mitusubishi engine, but personaly i would like to see at least 170 ps gasoline and 150 ps diesel engine in hover

i like the look of this one

micodelija

05-11-2011, 11:33 AM

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/5635604/img/5635604.jpg
hover sport, 2010 year :thumb::thumb::thumb:
brc lpg sistem, only 9000 km

micodelija

05-11-2011, 11:35 AM

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5918/21901920941660574599510.jpg
what i like the most??? DVD SYSTEM!!! :D:thumb:

car is absolute fantastic , simply great wall upgrade all the missing things on old models, seats are better, driving skills, interior quality,so many upgrades which i can't even write here

micodelija

05-11-2011, 11:36 AM

Johnny Blaze

05-12-2011, 12:49 AM

mico, on the right from it - is it a Wingle?

micodelija

05-12-2011, 04:39 AM

mico, on the right from it - is it a Wingle?

yes it is, i also drive new models, steed 5 with diesel engine, i will post some photos there

alby13

05-12-2011, 06:47 AM

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9862/dsc05477w.jpg
here is also one amazing paint job, made in italy
"mat" color style, look very attractive but cost is also expensive to make it, this car also have front led lights and 18 inch rims 255/55

i don't understand why they made these expensive mat painted versions. were they ordered or special versions to display?

micodelija

05-12-2011, 04:26 PM

this is special equipment...for people who want to pay for it, stock basic hover don't have such paint

alby13

05-13-2011, 12:01 AM

this is special equipment...for people who want to pay for it, stock basic hover don't have such paint

how much does it cost?

micodelija

05-13-2011, 03:38 AM

how much does it cost?

too much :D
this car on upper photo have lot of extra equipment:
- lpg
- mat color
- abs body kit for whole car, front, rear, side
- 18 inch rims are tires 255/55
- small front led lights

all of this cost almost 6000€, maybe even more, i am not sure

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/5644427/img/5644427.jpg
this is basic car, without any of that, i like this red color, fits good
here where i live also many customers ask for extra equipment and people simply want to pay for it, because many of them want to have personalized car

Chinesecars

06-02-2011, 04:57 AM

I'm ready to buy an H5 in China right now but I'm also extremely frustrated. First, the Eaton “MLocker” axle differential is only available with the gasoline engines and I absolutely want a diesel engine.

I'm considering the H5 with the 2.0VGT diesel engine, but the front end designs of both H5 models can’t even compare with the terrific looking H3 (especially the diesel models with their intercooler hood scoop).

The H5 "Extreme" model has a terrible looking huge grille (looks like a Chrysler 300C car grille). The other “Euro” model grille isn’t so bad, but it’s bland and boring.

I also learned that the H5 2.0VGT doesn’t offer the complete Borg-Warner TOD system with all 4 modes (like Ford and Isuzu). It only has 2 modes, 2wd and auto 4wd. They didn’t include full-time 4-wheel drive (high range) and full-time 4-wheel drive (low range).

I want the “go anywhere” capability of the H3’s traditional transfer case with high and low range 4wd lock, the performance and economy advantage of the new 2.0VGT engine, and absolutely the classic looks of the H3’s front end.

I drove two new H5s last week. The new 6-speed’s synchronizers seem much better than the old notchy 5-speed manual (1st and 2nd gear synchros are really notchy). BUT, it has a dangerous design flaw (at least presently). Because the shift lever’s left side "detent spring" is VERY weak, it is VERY easy to accidently shift the transmission into reverse gear when you are attempting to enter 1st gear. It’s VERY easy to accidently shift into reverse.

The new Hyundai 5-speed automatic transmission handles great. But, the electronic fuel pedal responds strangely. When you push the fuel pedal, it has a "delayed response". You have to wait a few seconds while the engine’s rpms slowly begin to accelerate. It doesn't respond (accelerate) immediately to pedal movement like most cars and trucks with electronic fuel pedals (and the cable-controlled 2.5TCI/5-speed and 2.0VGT/6-speed). You begin pushing the pedal down but nothing happens. Then slowly, the power arrives. Strange. That needs to be fixed.

The 2.0VGT has a dead performance area under 2,000rpm, before the turbo begins to help (actually the 2.5TCI has better low rpm performance and a much smoother transition into the “turbo power range”). I also thought the electronic fuel pedal's spring (in the auto H5) is a bit stiff (long trips might be uncomfortable for your right leg).

The 2.0VGT has very acceptable noise levels up to 3,000 rpm. But at about 3,500 rpm (within the engine's operating range), the engine begins making terrible sounds. It may be vibrations, or the engine itself. Anyway, it’s not a normal sound.

Chinesecars

06-02-2011, 08:39 PM

I was ready to get the 2.5TCI after being extremely impressed over two test drives. But when I heard about the new 2.0VGT (variable geometry turbocharger) which supposedly has more horsepower and torque than the 2.5TCI, and the modern VGT, I naturally decided to buy the 2.0VGT. But after driving both, the 2.5TCI still feels more powerful and clearly offers better driveability, particularly at low rpms.

Because I’m in north China with extremely cold winter temperatures, I was concerned about winter operation. I inspected a 2.5TCI-equipped H3 on a lift and saw the engine-mounted fuel/water separator has a fuel heater (it looks like a plastic spacer between the fuel filter and the adaptor). I assume it’s thermostatically controlled. There’s also a primary fuel filter between the fuel tank and the fuel/water separator (the more filters, the better). Bosch helped Great Wall develop the common rail fuel injection system (possibly the turbo too but I don’t know). I just know it runs great, seemingly better than the new 2.0VGT.

Currently, the H3 available with the 2.5TCI matched to the notchy 5-speed manual.
The H5 “Extreme” with the huge Chrysler 300C grille is also available with the 2.5TCI and 5-speed manual (it has an intercooler hood scoop like the H3). The H5 “Euro” is the only model currently offering the 2.0VGT, matched to the new 6-speed manual or the Hyundai 5-speed automatic transmission. The H5 “Euro” doesn’t have a hood scoop because the intercooler is located behind a front bumper grille. My concern is the intercooler will load up with mud/dirt (it’s an SUV) and lose effectiveness.

I’m going to wait a month and then go drive some “just arrived” H5s again, to see if Great Wall has resolved the 2.0VGT’s throttle response driveability problem, and the new 6-speeds dangerous shifting problem.

narryshenzen

06-06-2011, 03:00 AM

micodelija

06-06-2011, 09:27 AM

micodelija

06-06-2011, 09:33 AM

hi
be care full i am unfortunately buyer of the new h 5 2.0vgt
i am having big problems clutch plate failed in 10k kilometer
also engine spanner sign is coming and 4 s shop cannot solve it
in next post i post picture also gear box is not ok also
narry:confused:

i am sure that you also got a warranty on your car, so you should demand that seller fix it, i had a friend who buy completely new BMW 530d and car broke almost after 2 week usage, and problem was with engine alternator, which wasn't able to start the engine, simply many cars are now made in big serial production, so there is always possibility that something went wrong during production, despite all the control which many companies had and then manufactures need to re-call their model for upgrade of check-in services, here in europe you can visit RAPEX website, it's a website when you can follow all re-calls of vehicles which had any problems, list is quite impressive, everyday you can see there many famous car makers like Peugeot, Toyota, Renault or other, so you should not be worried about

simply went to your service station and demand checking and repair of your car, replace the clutch, put diagnostic system on car or let they check complete engine and fix your car to be safe for driving :thumb:

Chinesecars

06-07-2011, 02:21 AM

I really like the H3/H5 range. But it seems they have a lot of problem solving to do right now.
It’s frustrating. The H3 is easily the best looking model (particularly the diesel with the hood scoop). The H3’s only issue is the 5-speed manual transmission’s notchy synchronizers in 1st and 2nd gear. There’s no excuse for such poor shift quality in year 2011. It’s not a reliability issue, rather, it’s a driveability issue.

I’d also say that, when spec’d with the 5-speed transmission, the rear axle ratio should be a bit lower (higher numerically). You can feel that first gear is starting out faster than the norm. It feels like they are using the same rear axle ratio as their 2wd pickup trucks with smaller tires, which of course compromises the H3/H5 with its larger tires.

As for the engine, despite contrary performance numbers, my seat-of-the-pants feeling is the 2.5TCI has more power than the 2.0VGT. It absolutely does at low rpms before the turbo kicks in. And after the turbo kicks in, it feels about the same. That’s a heavy truck for a 2.0 liter diesel engine to push, so until the turbo does kick in after 2,000rpm, that cutting-edge variable geometry turbo (VGT) doesn’t contribute a whole lot and it shows.

Although I’m leaning towards the 2.5TCI diesel now, Great Wall should also offer the 2.0VGT in the H3 with the new 6-speed or Hyundai 5-speed automatic (after they get the problems resolved).

It’s interesting to hear you say the new 6-speed’s clutch isn’t holding up behind the new 2.0VGT in the H5. I’m about sure it isn’t the same clutch as the 2.5TCI/5-speed.

Chinesecars

06-20-2011, 03:28 AM

I went to the local Great Wall dealer last weekend and drove a “just arrived” H5 with the 2.0VGT diesel and automatic. This truck drove fine. It didn’t have the driveability problems I mentioned in my previous post with an H5 having the same specifications. HOWEVER, while it had acceptable performance under 3,000 rpm prior to the turbo entering the picture, that all changed when I turned on the air conditioning. With the air conditioner turned on, the truck is very slow. If you pushed the accelerator pedal down more (than normal), it doesn’t make much difference except that you create another problem, that is the turbo’s power enters at 3,000 rpm too harshly (because you were pushing the accelerator pedal down almost all the way trying to accelerate at a reasonable speed). I could “adapt” to it if I had to, always prepared to turn off the air conditioning in case I need fast acceleration in an emergency traffic situation, if I really wanted that Hyundai auto transmission (it’s ONLY available in the H5 with the 2.0VGT engine).

This truck was 2wd. Strangely, the two dealers in my area are not receiving any 4wd H5s with the 2.0VGT (4wd sells well in my area). They aren’t getting any H5’s with the new 6-speed either. Perhaps the factory is working to solve the dangerous shift lever detent spring problem.

micodelija

06-20-2011, 07:36 AM

i think that you are too confused and simply don't know what to buy, great wall have 4x4 models with two engines, 2.5 tci diesel (80kw) or 2.0 and 2.4 mitsubishi gasoline engine (90-100kw), those models are available with heavy duty 4x4, which have, 2h,4h and 4l driving mode

2.0 new diesel will be available with awd sistem, and it will not have 4L mode, which you need for heavy-duty roads, it have 2h and awd mode and follow a trend of modern SUV vehicles

models list are very clear, so you can choose between them, if you can't find what you need maybe you can search for a model which is make according to your needs, even if you had to look at other car band and find a car which will be a perfect car for you and your needs, also you even don't buy a car and you are already worried about so many things...you will never be satisfied if you will be always worried about something

there is also no any problems with gearbox...or any problems with A/C, i got hover at home and it don't lost any power with A/C, no matter is it on or off, also gearbox work fine and every gearbox have protection from wrong shifting, also if somebody make a wrong shifting that person should go again in driving school and learn how to drive

micodelija

06-20-2011, 07:43 AM

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this are best model for you, hover h5 extreme with diff lock, 2h,4h and 4l mode, 2.4 gasoline version, 5 speed gearbox, this is ideal version for your needs

http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/8734/u_20101016043127356270.jpg
this is how it look at 2.0 diesel version,only awd drive mode...which is not made for heavy duty off road

micodelija

06-20-2011, 07:51 AM

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http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/8128/u_2010070911165377184.jpg

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http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/8128/u_201008261417093113655.jpg

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http://img.autohome.com.cn/upload/spec/8128/u_201008261416237173655.jpg

if you want diesel you can choose h3 version, 2.5 tci with 80 kw, which also have 2h, 4h and 4l mode, this is quite good and reliable diesel engine with 5 speed gearbox

hover h5 with 2.0 vgt, automatic and awd isn't good for your needs, you should look for a models which are best for your needs and only these two models are

Chinesecars

06-21-2011, 02:10 AM

I'm not confused, just frustrated by limited component availability and design problems.

Excluding gasoline engines (because I want a diesel), I said:

1. The H3 is only available with the 2.5TCI matched to the notchy 5-speed manual (why isn't the 2.0VGT and Hyundai 5-speed automatic available?).
2. The H5 “Extreme”, with the huge Chrysler 300C grille, is also available with the 2.5TCI and 5-speed manual (an old design, reverse is not synchronized).
3. The H5 “Euro” is the only model offering the new 2.0VGT, matched to the new 6-speed manual or the Hyundai 5-speed automatic transmission.

I'm frustrated because:

1. Diesel engine models are NOT available with the Eaton “MLocker” locking rear axle differential.
2. The best looking model, the H3 diesel with it's superb grille and intercooler hood scoop combination, is not available with the 2.0VGT and Hyundai 5-speed automatic.
3. The H5 2.0VGT doesn’t offer the complete Borg-Warner TOD system with all 4 modes (like Ford and Isuzu). It only has 2 modes, 2wd and auto 4wd. They didn’t include full-time 4-wheel drive (high range) and full-time 4-wheel drive (low range). The driver can't lock it in 4wd high or low (and there is no low range).
4. Every new 6-speed equipped H5 I've seen has the same dangerous design flaw. Because the shift lever’s left side "detent spring" is VERY weak, it's extremely easy to accidently shift the transmission into reverse gear when you are attempting to enter 1st gear.
5. When the air conditioning is on, the 2.0VGT is seriously underpowered until the turbo begins to help around 3000rpm.
6. The 2.0VGT sounds normal up to 3,000 rpm. But at about 3,500 rpm (within the engine's operating range), the engine begins making terrible abnormal sounds.
7. The new cruise control option is only available with the 2.0VGT/5-speed automatic powertrain combination (Most carmakers offer cruise control with all engine/transmission combinations including manual transmissions).

micodelija

06-21-2011, 03:50 AM

and what will you choose now? :D:thumb:

Chinesecars

06-29-2011, 08:41 PM

Interesting. In addition to GW purchasing the 5-speed automatic transmissions (model 5R35) from Hyundai Mobis (produced in Beijing), GW also purchased the design rights to Kia's last generation 2.0 CRDi VGT engine, resulting in the new GW 2.0VGT engine. If production quality is good and adaptation engineering was executed properly, should be a decent engine.

Now I know why the oil fill is at a strange angle in the H5, because in the Kia this engine is mounted transversely at a slight tilt.

Chinesecars

07-09-2011, 10:09 AM

FYI
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BorgWarner Supplies China's First VGT Turbocharger and Torque-On-Demand (TOD) Transfer Case for Great Wall Motor Company

AUBURN HILLS, Mich., June 3, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- For the first time, BorgWarner's variable turbine geometry (VGT) turbochargers and Torque-On-Demand (TOD) transfer cases, featuring a proprietary electronic control unit and software, are available in China. Great Wall Motor Company introduced these advanced technologies in the new 2.0-liter Hover/Haval H5 SUV. This engine also utilizes BorgWarner's self-regulating glow plugs and exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valves. The turbocharged diesel engine will also be available in the light commercial vehicle and medium car segment soon.

"BorgWarner's advanced turbocharging and emissions technologies enable Great Wall Motor's new diesel engine to meet stringent emissions standards with excellent fuel economy, while our advanced all-wheel drive technology improves traction and enhances stability for a safer, more comfortable overall driving experience," said Timothy M. Manganello, Chairman and CEO, BorgWarner.

Great Wall Motor relied on BorgWarner's proven VGT turbocharging expertise to boost fuel efficiency and power output while reducing emissions, helping the engine comply with Euro 4 emissions standards and achieve an average fuel consumption of 34 mpg (6.8 liters/100 km). In addition, a BorgWarner EGR valve with a brushless DC motor actuator delivers precise, responsive flow control combined with high flow capability and excellent sealing, enabling the engine to meet stricter emissions standards by allowing increased EGR rates.

BorgWarner's patented TOD transfer case delivers on-demand all-wheel drive traction on combining the all-terrain capability of an SUV with the on-road handling of a passenger car. Using BorgWarner's proprietary electronic control unit (ECU) and software, TOD transfer cases automatically switch from two-wheel drive to four-wheel drive and back without driver intervention for improved traction, enhanced stability and comfort.

BorgWarner also supplies self-regulating glow plugs for quick, reliable and environmentally friendly diesel engine starting even in very low temperatures.

martin_krpan

07-14-2011, 12:53 PM

Lightly refreshed H5 (new grille and bumper):
http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/201107/218470.html

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Prices start at 92.800 RMB for H5 powered by Greatwall’s own 2.0 engine with 122hp.

Chinesecars

07-18-2011, 11:27 PM

The big news about the 2012 H5 is the number of SRS air bags (at least for the China market) grows from 2 to 6 (Driver & Passenger frontal impact air bags, side impact air bags, and side curtain air bags). Maybe export models already had that to meet overseas safety regulations?

And it now gets ESP (electronic stability program), a step up from the TCS (traction control) it had before.

The high-spec leather interior H5 gets woodgrain armrests.

Also, Bosch style "bracketless" wiper blades.

BUT STILL NO CUPHOLDERS IN YEAR 2012 FOR THE HOVER. Why Great Wall ???

Chinesecars

07-19-2011, 03:02 AM

For some unknown reason, diesel models still aren't available with the Eaton MLocker rear differential. C'mon Great Wall, customers buying 4wd diesel SUVs want Eaton's locking differential.
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Date: September 22, 2010

Eaton Improves Traction and Stability on Great Wall's Haval H5 SUV

MARSHALL, Mich - Eaton Corporation today announced that its "MLocker" mechanical locking differential has been selected to improve the traction and stability of the new Haval (formerly Hover) H5 SUV from Great Wall Motors.

“Great Wall Motors is focused on marketing vehicles globally with drivelines that incorporate the best technology and highest quality products,” said Chris Ostrander, vice president and general manager, Torque Control Products Division. “The MLocker provides Great Wall Motors with a differentiated traction technology to favorably compete in the crowded compact SUV market in China and export markets. The system’s simplicity eliminates all electronics and requires no driver intervention, making it easily adaptable to Great Wall’s applications while enhancing the traction and stability of the vehicle.”

The Eaton MLocker is a proven technology that features a patented carbon friction disc technology to enhance performance and durability. During wheel spin, the MLocker automatically locks within a fraction of a second providing instant traction and is designed to go virtually unnoticed by the driver. No driver intervention is required. Once the need for improved traction is gone, unlocking occurs automatically. The result is enhanced vehicle safety with improved traction on a variety of surfaces, including wet roads, icy conditions, gravel, mud and dirt, plus it provides grip even when one wheel is off the road.

narryshenzen

07-21-2011, 06:50 AM

I am an unfortunate buyer of Hover H5 2.0T diesel (manual 6-speed gearbox), harassed by endless problems

Problem 1

The Gearbox
The new 6 speed gearbox in new H5 is some half made pre-test model which was manufactured before development phase completed and without complete testing
Apart from the Reverse and First gear shifting problem, i also had other problems with the gearbox
The gearbox is designed without an adequate consideration about the engine it had to be used with
The wonderful engine quickly responds to the accelerator press and the gearbox actually retards the engine because of its limitations.
Initially i started experiencing a problem with rattling sound from gear changing shaft, more noisy at speeds above 120
This problem kept on worsening day by day, and later was also noticeable at lower speeds.
I went (repeatedly) to the 4S shop with this problem - but in vain
On every visit what i achieved was only excuses like "this is normal for a hover H5", " you should not drive your car so fast", "this is because of the heavy handle on top of the shaft, changing to a lighter one shall help"
finally after several complaints to some senior people at the 4S , they managed to have the gear shaft base changed.
As expected the new shaft base was a different base - to absorb the vibrations. The modification did reduce the problem but did not solve it.
The solution was a bad way of solving the problem, the rattling had now been compressed inside the gearbox and had changed into vibration and overheating of the gearbox
The vibration and overheating gives me a scary feeling that the gearbox shall sooner or later burst into pieces, leaving me in a bix mess
I shall rather choose to sell the car before such a day dawns.

Problem 2

The Clutch plate
The clutch that came up with the first production was different from the one that is in production today.
Just like the gearbox, the clutch plate in my car was a piece of experiment, as if just re-sized to work with the new engine and the new 6 speed gearbox
My clutch plate burnt up after about 16K kms (this is not my first car, i am driving for 27 years now, and have driven over 200K kms in China)
The clutch in no way was capable of handling the 310Nm torque which the engine can output.
The clutch burn took place on the highway after midnight, 1000 kms away from home.
I actually had to get a tow van to pull my car to a toll gate where i could get help from nearest repair station to have it replaced.

http://s1.postimage.org/rmfr0eau1/Tow1.jpg

http://s1.postimage.org/rmgftgi8p/Tow2.jpg

http://s1.postimage.org/rmhhuthll/Tow3.jpg

narryshenzen

07-21-2011, 07:27 AM

Problem 2

The Clutch plate
The clutch that came up with the first production was different from the one that is in production today.
Just like the gearbox, the clutch plate in my car was a piece of experiment, as if just re-sized to work with the new engine and the new 6 speed gearbox
My clutch plate burnt up after about 16K kms (this is not my first car, i am driving for 27 years now, and have driven over 200K kms in China)
The clutch in no way was capable of handling the 310Nm torque which the engine can output.
The clutch burn took place on the highway after midnight, 1000 kms away from home.
I actually had to get a tow van to pull my car to a toll gate where i could get help from nearest repair station to have it replaced.

Not able to post many pics (could i get any help about this) - posting the pics as links

Tow1 (http://s1.postimage.org/rmfr0eau1/Tow1.jpg)

Tow2 (http://s1.postimage.org/rmgftgi8p/Tow2.jpg)

Tow3 (http://s1.postimage.org/rmhhuthll/Tow3.jpg)

Pictures of the burnt Clutch

http://s1.postimage.org/rmj8p8od5/clutch.jpg
Burnt Clutch 1 (http://s1.postimage.org/rmj8p8od5/clutch.jpg)

http://s3.postimage.org/pdes1h1uh/burnt_clutch.jpg
Burnt Clutch 2 (http://s3.postimage.org/pdes1h1uh/burnt_clutch.jpg)

Had to replace with another Toyota clutch plate of a similar size to allow me drive my way back home.
Finally when i came back home, i went to the 4S and ordered another clutch plate.
To my wonder, the new clutch plate was an Exedy clutch with a rating well above 310 Nm.

http://s3.postimage.org/pdg5nlgnt/Exedy.jpg
New Exedy Clutch (http://s3.postimage.org/pdg5nlgnt/Exedy.jpg)

The sad thing is, they sold out vehicles equipped with clutch plates which are not even capable of handling he engines rated torque.
And what did they loose - Nothing! the poor customer has to suffer and they actually earn double money selling another clutch plate.

Problem 3

The Spanner sign
The spanner sign (which is supposed to be a simple indication that the car needs servicing) is the most disastrous problem i have encountered with this car
The spanner sign first appeared after the car had traveled 10K kms, just after it was serviced.
When the spanner appears, the engine enter limp mode (looses power), the engine doesnt go above 2000 rpm, 80km/h
A big problem with the spanner sign is that it is intermittent, it comes on and then soon vanishes, but the limp mode does not vanish.
I went to the 4S with this problem, and guess what - no spanner sign.
Just to persuade me, he ran a OBD diagnostic check, didnt find any errors - told me your car is fine.
I found a quick sort lived solution to this problem - power down and restart the engine. The spanner sign disappeared (at least after a few tries) and the engine regains power.
The problem persisted and at worst times, the engine refuses to start !!! The old trick of disconnecting/reconnecting the battery still worked to get the engine started again, but i felt that i was in some sort os calamity.
I visit several other 4S shops at different places, but no one was able to solve this problem.
I received several excuses though - Bad Fuel, Bad ECU, Bad Injectors and more.
The problem still prevails and has made the car a disaster vehicle.

Problem 4

The Key
The Key never works at the first press of the push button, and at bad times, doesnt work at all
Yes true, the door can be opened manually, i felt this could be done harmlessly until i was haunted by another problem.
There was a time when i repeatedly opened the key manually, since the buttons hardly worked
Then one fine day, i started the car after manually opening the door and the car just failed to start.
I could see a key sign on the dashboard, which i assume could possibly be some key recognition error.
After wasting a lot of time, the car finally started after disconnecting the battery and reconnecting it after some time.
I also took the key to the 4S, they did sth which they said had repaired the key, but this helped me only for a few days
The key still remains an unsolved mystery to me.

Problem 5

The Shocks
The shocks are nicely designed to hide all the design flaws.
With the original shocks, you get a sort shuddering/vibration at the speed of 100 km/h, thereby not daring to go further.
It was only after changing the shocks that i became aware of all these serious flaws.

Conclusion

The 4S keep on advising me not to drive fast, not to cross 3000 rpm, and tell me that this is cheap car which is bound to have all sorts of problems.
At every visit i see frowning faces, tired listening to customers complaints and lots of work load.

The Newer H5's seem to be a lot better than my car, they have improved the car from time to time, at the cost of making the customers suffer.

I have finally learnt my lesson - Never buy the first set (or second set) of production units of a Chinese car, you shall become a free testing guy for the company.

micodelija

07-21-2011, 06:37 PM

why did you write so many copy paste posts? several time you write identical post, i am really shocked by all of this problems and wonder how is possible that such unsafe car is on the road? obviously there was production problem or series of car which isn't completely tested and ready for sale

personally i always like to avoid those new models, identical situation which you had now i had before several year ago with vw passat tdi, so many problems with that car that we never buy vw again, also this is very strong diesel engine which should follow better car quality and reputation which it had in china, i think you should do more pressure to great wall to fix your car and make it right for you to be safe on the road

Chinesecars

07-21-2011, 09:35 PM

narryshenzen

07-22-2011, 06:36 AM

why did you write so many copy paste posts? several time you write identical post

yes, the multiple posts were because i coudn't see my posts at all
every time i clicked submit reply, the browser diverted me to the main page of H5 .. and when i browse o view my post - Nothing !

And i face the same problem today -
i deleted the extra double post - worked fine
then i edited the other post to append the remaining text - and gone again !
Till now i cannot view my last post !!!

micodelija

07-22-2011, 08:45 AM

yes, the multiple posts were because i coudn't see my posts at all
every time i clicked submit reply, the browser diverted me to the main page of H5 .. and when i browse o view my post - Nothing !

And i face the same problem today -
i deleted the extra double post - worked fine
then i edited the other post to append the remaining text - and gone again !
Till now i cannot view my last post !!!

fell no problem, contact martin krpan, he is admin here and he will make it right so we call can follow the theme right :thumb:

narryshenzen

07-23-2011, 03:23 AM

For now, it seems the only safe way to buy an H5 2.0VGT diesel is with the 5-speed automatic. The engine and transmission were made to work together. The 2.0VGT is the proven pre-2010 Kia 2.0 CRDi diesel, and the transmission is the Hyundai/Kia model 5R35, made by Hyundai Powertech in South Korea

Yes, i had given the H5 AT a thought too, but heard from users that i had a very poor throttle response. The engine pics up very slowly since the gear shift is very slow / delayed. It doesn't feel like a 2.0T engine altogether. The MT gearbox gives a good driveability, but poor design.

I like to shift, a 6-speed manual would be great, but clearly Great Wall is having troubles (apparently they didn't but the 6-speed manual from Hyundai/Kia Group as well).

Yes, GWM did not buy the 6 speed MT gearbox from KIA, they thought of having a Chinese company (Zomax) develop it for them, probably to make it cheaper. The result was a much bigger gearbox, with the problems which i mentioned before.

Chinesecars

07-25-2011, 11:05 PM

I agree. The 2.0VGT/auto combination feels acceptable, until you turn on the air conditioning. Then it's very slow. A 2.0-liter engine at low RPMs (prior to the turbocharger helping above 2500 RPM), should have more power. I'd buy the 2.5TCi but I like the drive belt system of the 2.0VGT much better. And internally, the 2.0VGT is simply newer and better technology. I blame Delphi, the fuel system supplier, for the power problem. Simply speaking, Delphi's technology can't compare to Bosch. The powerful 2.5 TCi has a Bosch fuel system and that Hover is fast!

Delphi began having financial troubles in 2001, filed for bankruptcy in 2005, scraped bottom thru 2009. Some private investors bought Delphi in late 2009. The company is only alive because General Motors needed the company as a supplier. Delphi is not alive because it was a great supplier. Bosch is successful, with the money to hire the best engineers. Good engineers don't work for bad, financially-troubled companies like Delphi. Good engineers are attracted to strong companies like Bosch.

Interestingly, the GW 2.0VGT was designed to accept Delphi or Bosch fuel systems. But I've only see engines with Delphi systems.

Chinesecars

07-26-2011, 02:20 AM

The 2.0VGT's power problem really is the rear axle's 3.90 ratio. An SUV the size and weight of the H3/H5 typically has a 4.10 rear axle ratio. After driving the 5-speed manual, I could immediately feel the rear axle ratio was too high (too low numerically). If it had a 4.10 (or even 4.30) rear axle ratio, the performance would rise significantly to acceptable levels. The 3.90 is best suited for 2wd pickup trucks with smaller tires. The 3.90 ratio would be good for fuel economy, IF the 2.0VGT had more low-end power.

The 2.5TCi "does" have enough low-end power for the 3.90 ratio, but 1st gear (the 5-speed manual) is still too steep. Off road, you'll have to shift into low-range earlier than other SUVs or you'll be slipping the clutch to get started in 1st gear.

jvpe67

07-26-2011, 05:48 AM

micodelija

07-26-2011, 12:34 PM

Is Great Wall after sales aware of this situation ? They are offering the same engine/transmission for the H6 also. China Market feedback is not as demanding as overseas feedback, where H3/H5 is compared to segment leaders.

do you know how many suv gwm produce in 1 year??? there is always possibility that some of those cars are bad,check world re-calls today, almost every famous manufacture got to recall their cars and models because of some upgrade repair or something else, my father buy Volkswagen passat (1.9 tdi) and it was also complete fail, while my mother had bad experience with first generation of fiat punto, but after warranty repair car was fine, better then passat, i only hope not to much of them, i think the narry from shenzen have really big problems and he should be very demanding to the dealership about the warranty on car to solve his problem

user chinsecars...well he still didn't buy a car,so it's difficult to argue with somebody who don't have a car in their ownership

Chinesecars

07-26-2011, 08:46 PM

The new H6 SUV is smaller and lighter than the H3/H5. The 2.0VGT should perform better in that application. The H6 appears aimed at the smaller SUVs popular with women drivers (RAV4, Tiguan, Qashqi)

micodelija

08-01-2011, 02:18 PM

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/6216837/640/6216837.jpg
russians did a crash test of new hover h5 according to R94 homologation regulation, result is quite good, down on the link everybody can see a video, but already here from the photos we can see that passenger area is completely safe and there is no any cabin deformation, also what is good...door were able to open after impact

i am quite sure that after gwm h5 will be produced in europe, that it will be tested at euroncap test as well and finally to make better result then landwind in china SUV range

well done gwm

videos are here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkR0zcvV5Hg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGMpIwjKySc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM9Az_Wkqag

geralilio

08-02-2011, 07:19 AM

How many stars did it get, micodelija?

RR ltd Co.

08-02-2011, 07:36 AM

ah, stars don't matter... what was the speed in this crash-test - that should be the the key question...?

geralilio

08-02-2011, 11:56 PM

I think stars do matter. As far as I know, speeds are pretty much standard in crash testing.

micodelija

08-03-2011, 06:55 AM

as i write before, test was done according to homologation regulation in Europe, R94-01, speed of test was 56 km/h, i am quite sure that there will not be any problems with 64 km/h as well as hover already got A-ncap test in australia, which was done at speed 64 km/h, hover in australia got 4 star rating, but it was old model

RR ltd Co.

08-03-2011, 09:36 AM

I think stars do matter.
I wrote it, because chinese stars differed from european. :D
I mean, CNCAP had different speed in their crash-rests, so we couldn't compare CNCAP and Euro-NCAP as identical.
After all, including last micodelija's reply, Hover H5 had a quite impressive result.

Chinesecars

08-03-2011, 09:25 PM

Interesting commentary in Automotive News
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Some Chinese brands compete nicely with the big players on giant stage

Yang Jian / Automotive News / 2011-7-29

SHANGHAI -- At a time when General Motors, Volkswagen and other global automakers are making big investments in China, it's easy to be pessimistic about the prospects of China's domestic companies.

For example, Chery and BYD, China's top-selling domestic brands, are both struggling to stabilize sales and market share.

Chinese consumers have noticed the trend, according to a report this month from the market research firm Gasgoo. More than 70 percent of Gasgoo's respondents said independent Chinese brands face the risk of being wiped out.

China's domestic automakers have lost market share due to poor brand images and weak technology. But their hardships should not blind us to the fact that some Chinese brands are holding up remarkably well.

One such company is Great Wall Motor Co., which has relentlessly pursued better quality. It is the first Chinese company to certify its products for sale in the European Union.

In 2009, Great Wall won approval to sell an SUV, pickup and two sedans in the EU. Last year, a Great Wall executive told me the company knew that EU certification would force it to improve quality.

Meanwhile, Great Wall has kept its product development focused tightly on a few profitable niches: SUVs and pickups. And while competitors like Chery launched a confusing welter of new brands, Great Wall eliminated nameplates and consolidated all of its car models under the Voleex brand.

These efforts have brought ample rewards. In the first six months of 2011, Great Wall sold more than 178,000 vehicles, up 47 percent year-on-year. The company's net profit for the period jumped approximately 80 percent.

Another canny operator is Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., the independent automaker that purchased Volvo Car Corp. last year.

The company is phasing out inexpensive models under the Geely brand while it introduces better products under new brands.

The plan appears to be working. While overall sales in the first six months fell 13 percent, sales of the Emgrand EC7 sedan have averaged a healthy 8,000 units per month.

The EC7 carries a starting price of 75,800 yuan ($11,800), which allows Geely a decent profit margin.

To be sure, Great Wall and Geely still lag far behind their global rivals on quality and technology. But if they maintain their momentum, they will continue to gain strength and go upscale.

Chinesecars

08-03-2011, 09:37 PM

I'm impressed with Great Wall's progress. But I urge them to grow carefully. The current models still need refining. Look at the "fit" of the plastic interior parts in every H3/H5 (instrument panel and center console). Many seams are not flush. It's a simple manufacturing problem, but it has not been addressed. Get the H3/H5 right, before moving forward to new products (H6). Experience correcting the ongoing assembly flaws of the H3/H5 will benefit the H6 and other new models.

Chinesecars

08-04-2011, 04:29 AM

GW has launched a second version of the Kia CRDi-based 4D20 (2.0VGT) called the 4D20B. Unlike the 4D20 which uses a Borg-Warner variable geometry turbocharger (VGT), the 4D20B uses a Shanghai MHI wastegate turbocharger. The EGR system and intercooling are understood to be different as well. It seems the 4D20B, which produces 10 less kW than the 4D20 (100kW@4000rpm versus 110kW@4000rpm / 136HP versus 150HP), will be offered with the 6-speed manual, while the 4D20 will continue to be paired with the Hyundai/Kia 5R35 5-speed automatic transmission.

The reduced power appears to be an effort to solve the clutch and transmission problems occuring with 6-speed manual-equipped H5 2.0VGT. The torque rating for both the 4D20 and 4D20B is still reported to be the same - 310 N.m at 1800-2800rpm.

GW feels the VGT is more suitable for the automatic. But, since most medium and heavy trucks now feature VGT with manual (or AMT) transmissions, I can't agree that VGT isn't suitable for the 6-speed transmission if it and the clutch have a rated torque capacity in excess of the engine's 310N.m

The conclusion is, GW needs to use a higher quality 6-speed manual transmission and clutch assembly. For now, the Hyundai/Kia 5R35 5-speed automatic transmission is the only safe choice, although some customers will not be satisfied with the available low-speed power when the air conditioning is turned on.

geralilio

08-04-2011, 09:35 AM

hi Chinesecars, do you have a link for this bit of news?

Chinesecars

08-04-2011, 07:45 PM

I found this news on several Chinese language websites.

Naturally, the Chinese consumers that prefer manual transmissions are upset that 6-speed equipped H5 2.0VGTs (GW's long-time 5-speed manual isn't available with the 2.0VGT) now get an engine (the 4D20B) that has stepped backward in technology, from a modern Borg Warner VGT to a low-end wastegate turbocharger, that delivers 14 less horsepower. I would respect GW more if they scrapped the Zomax 6-speed transmission and cooperated with a respectable transmission supplier (ie. Getrag) and clutch supplier to resolve the high failure rates.

Chinesecars

08-04-2011, 10:50 PM

http://pic.fblife.com/upload/2011/07/small_news_0.107809776490466.jpg

narryshenzen

08-06-2011, 07:17 AM

The current models still need refining. Look at the "fit" of the plastic interior parts in every H3/H5 (instrument panel and center console). Many seams are not flush. It's a simple manufacturing problem, but it has not been addressed. Get the H3/H5 right, before moving forward to new products (H6).
Exactly, My first reaction to H6 launch was - "Oh! they plan to leave H5 as it is without any improvements".

Experience correcting the ongoing assembly flaws of the H3/H5 will benefit the H6 and other new models.
Not necessarily, I doubt they shall leave the old models with the mistakes in them. It is a win-win situation, make money selling old stuff, and learn from it, and also make more money from the new improved models ....

I would respect GW more if they scrapped the Zomax 6-speed transmission and cooperated with a respectable transmission supplier (ie. Getrag) and clutch supplier to resolve the high failure rates.
Me tooooo

narryshenzen

08-06-2011, 09:22 AM

hi
thank god finally i have sold this car and i buyed a new suv from jmc motors
name yusheng which used a 2.4 tcdi ford engine
my business i have to travel all around china to meet my customer
i no longer can wait to repair this bad car
now i feel free
narry:thumb:

micodelija

08-06-2011, 03:20 PM

pity that you had so much problems with your old car....well i hope that new jmc will be better, maybe it will be good that you present in forum your new car :thumb:

mrbeebop

08-07-2011, 12:33 PM

I've been following this thread with interest. Having lived in Shanghai for the past 5 years I've been looking at the development of Chinese cars. The Hover/Haval stood out as a good looking, relatively high quality car and with the option of the 110kw diesel was looking very good option for my first Chinese car.
When I recently went to look at one, I was very disappointed to learn about the new 'B' version engine for the manual- what are they thinking?????

So Narryshenzen, can you let me know how you came to pick the JMC car (looks good, but 90kw from a 2.4 TD engine?) and what others you considered?

micodelija

08-07-2011, 04:15 PM

hello beebop

welcome to forum...well by my opinion it's better to reduce power and solve the problem is there is any or to keep production with problems, also hover is best selling car for 6 years in a row in chinese market and also offer 2.5 tci engine, which is by my opinion very good rate for the car, i drive it several times...and goes quite well, of course if you don't expect to have race car

i have hover cars from 2007 year, but only gasoline versions, if we skip some "children problems" there wasn't any bigger problems with the car, so i can say i am quite satisfied with quality, mainly gwm keep update their cars, almost in every round of new production there is some kind of improvements...so firstly you should check the car

also in china there so so much china suv makers....really big choice is there, so i am quite sure that you will find a car that suit you

Chinesecars

08-07-2011, 08:14 PM

I saw the JMC Yusheng. Here are my thoughts.

1. I was told 4WD/AWD is not yet available (and I wouldn't want a 2wd SUV).
2. A Jiangling rep told me the Ford 2.4L diesel is imported, and maybe the early engines are, but I read that Ford has licensed Jiangling to produced the now discontinued 1st generation Duratorq (Puma) engine under the model JX4D24.
3. The Ford 2.4L isn't bad, but it's older technology.
4. Power and torque output is less than GW's 2.0VGT (90kW / 290N.m)
5. I was unable to confirm who makes the 5-speed manual transmission.
6. When 4wd/AWD is available, I'd like to know the source of the transfer case, front and rear axles.
7. Automatic transmission is not available.
8. JMC are the people who made the Landwind (a copy of the 1998-2004 Isuzu Rodeo), and I personally feel the quality was poor.

Summary: After the cheap Landwind, I'd like to believe the Yusheng is a significant improvement. But it remains to be seen. I won't waste anymore time looking at the Yusheng until 4WD is available. And finally, I'd argue the exterior of the GW H3 and H5 is more attractive than the Yusheng's somewhat bloated appearance (it does look better in person).

Note: Jiangling is one of Ford's China partners. They build the Transit (previous and current generations). It's possible the Yusheng's 2.4L diesel is the same as the current generation Transit's 2.4L (China production). Ford has had tremendous quality problems over the years at its joint venture plant with Jiangling located in Nanchang, Jiangxi Province.

narryshenzen

08-08-2011, 07:14 AM

I had purchased the H5 also for the 2.0VGT and the Borg Warner Turbo
But the poor implementation of the power terrain makes the car feel soo weak that i was not able to enjoy the powerful engine anymore
The ride actually feels like the engine is nicely responding to the pedal press and the gearbox is actually pushing it back and limiting the power.
At times i had even started to think that the H5 2.5T feels more powerful than the 2.0T
My point is that it is sad to find that GWM decides to experiment at the cost of innocent customers who buy H5 because they believe GWM

The 4x4 version of JMC Yusheng shall be launched soon, make sure you get your test drive
The Ford 2.4L is older technology buy has been implemented well with a Getrag gearbox
The Yusheng has a Chassis same as Land Rover, which makes it a strong SUV.
The Yusheng is manufactured at the Ford production line at JMC plant, making me more assured of its quality
Now i am looking for changing shocks to Bilstein and other possible modifications in the car, shall keep posting in the JMC section about the changes and results

Chinesecars

08-08-2011, 09:10 PM

I don't like the exterior appearance of the Yusheng so I couldn't buy one. I do like the traditional body-on-frame construction. But Jiangling uses that only because they have no independent R&D capability to design an all-new chassis with unit-body construction. They are forced to modify the old Landwind Isuzu Rodeo chassis.

You are right, the GW 2.5TCi does feel more powerful than the 2.0VGT. I'd given serious thought to buying an H3 with the 2.5TCi, but it's only available with the notchy 5-speed manual. I'd like to have an automatic to more comfortably deal with today's stop-and-go rush hour traffic conditions.

The H3 2.5TCi, with its intercooler hood scoop, is certainly the best looking Hover of all. Absolutely perfect. The H5 "Extreme" with the huge copy Chrysler 300 grille is terrible looking.

Be warned, Ford has had a rocky relationship with Jiangling because of quality problems. Jiangling has not been very cooperative towards improving quality levels.

micodelija

08-12-2011, 05:59 AM

yesterday was 3 months as i got new hover h5, when i collect it car had between 9000 km, car now have almost 30.000 km :D

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/6300617/img/6300617.jpg
still look very attractive

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/6300619/img/6300619.jpg
no any problems with interior, pity that this model got older version of AC buttons, newer version is little bit for usage, it's not complicated, but it's difficult to see during daylight that small red color on the button which show you the temperature and speed

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/6300621/img/6300621.jpg
here it is compared with hover from 2007 year, i can say that new h5 is completely other car, so many modifications on car and simply car is now much better quality

LPG sistem from BRC also work well, usually between 11 liters, which in Croatia cost, total cost per 100 km with LPG is between 7.5€, while in gasoline this cost will be almost 15€, so i can say that already i save so much for fuel cost, top speed of the car is 190 km/h but GPS show between 178 km/h

RR ltd Co.

08-12-2011, 06:50 AM

Nice car, anxiously looking forward to see such cars in my country

Chinesecars

08-14-2011, 11:15 PM

That's a very strange looking climate control panel. What you received appears to be manually controlled, right? In China, I've only seen the automatic climate control panels in H3/H5s with the new style instrument panel.

By the way, a Chinese website (image below) seems to indicate the high trim level 2012 H5 will get push-button keyless starting.

http://auto.szonline.net/image/2011/201107/20110726/20110726134242_14758.jpg

Chinesecars

09-20-2011, 08:28 PM

Where is the 2012 H5 ?

A couple of 2012 models were shown a few months ago at auto shows. I was told they'd be available by now. But no news, and dealers haven't been told when to expect them.

Carrie.Underwood

09-22-2011, 02:25 AM

haha, Chinese cars are getting step day by day, hha, nice hover H5, and i think good sells.

micodelija

09-28-2011, 05:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqvSHFwCYzw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlufZgR5hAQ
my hover 5 now have almost 35.000 km
here is some video with the car, acceleration and some fun in free time :D:eek:

dieselhover

10-17-2011, 02:19 PM

micodelija,
I am interested in buying New 2012 H5 with 2.0 diesel and auto transmission, "Sunroof" version. I know they are both licensed from Hyundai, but I wanted to ask you or anyone else that can provide any feedback on how reliable so far this engine/combo is and any known issues? Thanks!

micodelija

10-17-2011, 04:00 PM

i think best for you will be to get a test drive, for now here in europe there was only gasoline version, but before 2 months ago in italy was exported first batch of 300 pick up's with diesel engines and as i hear comments are very good, i also had chance to drive it, there is still space for improvements but mainly it's a huge difference if you compare it with older engines, like 2.8 tc, 2.5 tci or other, also in new hover h6 diesel engine was upgraded and driving performance are even better, i can say amazing

i also know that this engine won many rewards in china so it should be good, also this engine use many components for famous brands, like common rail system from bosch and many other things, you can follow great wall official website and there is so many news about it, you can find there that this engine is rewarded as chinese best top 10 engines, at top 20 chinese media test "green and quite" also won a reward for quietness (43db) and consumption (6,8l), also this engine is approved by EU as great wall vehicles pass european type approval homologation

about gearbox,it's still new at the market...so we will see market reaction on it, you can find some test of russian journalist on youtube who had chance to test new hover h5 with automatic gearbox and diesel engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOn9er-BY0I
i recommend this video from my colleague zenkevich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js1ow5_ePx0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LyUC7TGlZ4

Chinesecars

10-17-2011, 09:03 PM

Dieselhover, I'm in China. I want to buy a 2.0VGT/auto as well. The engine and transmission are NOT produced by GW under license. The 5-speed auto transmissions are purchased complete from Hyundai. They're made in Korea now, but could possibly be sourced from a Hyundai plant in China in the future. GW purchased the 2.0VGT diesel engine technology outright from Kia (Kia's last generation engine). This means GW has the freedom to alter it (which is good and bad). GW is still using Delphi injection as Kia did, but they cancelled the fuel heater that Kia's system included (a dumb move on GW's part). I personally feel Bosch fuel injection is far ahead of financially-troubled Delphi. A Bosch fuel system is standard on the 2.5TCI (with a fuel heater), and was "planned" for the 2.0VGT as a back-up solution if Delphi couldn't fulfill it's contract obligations.

I rarely see 2.0VGTs on the road, which is troubling. Most of the new H5s have the Mitsubishi 2.4L gas (which I'm told delivers better fuel economy than the 2.0 gas). I thought by waiting for the 2012 models to launch, GW would have more time to work through initial production problems of the 2.0VGT. But since there aren't selling many, I'm no longer sure about that.

The first 2.0VGT I drove had no power, and made troubling vibration metallic noises at higher RPMs. But the second 2.0VGT I drove about 2 months later had acceptable power (without the air conditioning turned on), and no abnormal noises came from the engine compartment. I was more or less satisfied. I'm sure it will yield great fuel economy, but engine power with the air conditioning on will be marginal until the turbo kicks in. I suppose, given the truck's weight and the air conditioning's drag, you can't expect more from a 2.0-liter engine. Yes, it's a VGT, which should broaded the turbo's ability to escalate the 2.0L engine's power range, but the engine's power range didn't "feel" any wider than the 2.5TCI. In fact, the 2.5TCI has significantly better driveability at all RPMs.

micodelija

10-18-2011, 05:53 AM

chinesecars...maybe you should visit your dealerships again :D

at start great wall offer delphi common rail sistem, but little bit after engine is upgraded all new ones use bosch common rail, which have much better acceleration and reaction, you can very easily find a code and model on VIN plate, usually writen with CC6460...and then depend on variant

Quote from offical website:
Since 2005, Bosch's products have been extensively applied to the three main categories of Great Wall Motors' products and numerous innovations have been achieved through joint research and development of engines by both parties. In 2006, Great Wall Motors developed, in joint efforts with Bosch, the electronically controlled high-pressure common-rail diesel engine and became the first manufacturer using such technology in China at that time. The engine was applied to Haval series and later gained its prevalence on China's diesel-powered SUV market. In this May, Bosch's common-rail system was adopted in the diesel-powered Green Static 2.0T engine which matches Wingle 5, thus having increased its fuel-saving performance substantially.

dieselhover

10-18-2011, 07:14 AM

micodelija

10-18-2011, 08:10 PM

@ micodelija,
So I need to look for "bosch common rail" version of the new 2.0 diesel
One of the videos you posted, claims 9L/100k not the 6.8L GW claims?
On November 3-5 I will be test driving first 2.0 diesel that arrives here.
They send me some PDFs, but not sure if now one can get the Sunroof
with the AT version of the H5? It appeared only Manual tranny gets it?
I am not too hooked in the style look of the H6, I prefer the H5 look...

@ Chinesecars
I am glad that the 5-speed auto transmissions are purchased complete
from Hyundai, and I hope GW only improves the 2.0VGT and uses Bosch.
Still, if they get it right I am sold with a 2.0 diesel, now I drive a 1.4L :)

Please post any new photos/videos/pdfs/whatever you get on this one.

Thank you very much in advance!

about fuel consumption...in european ECE 2004/3 certificate for hover 5 diesel engine is written that lower fuel consumption is 6,7 liters at open road,mix is 8,0 and in city driving is 10l, russian journalist give their result at testing, which was maybe made at city driving or off road conditions, so of course consumption may be different

i am quite sure that if you enter in any showroom of great wall you will have fuel consumption information on the car, or at least sales man should know it

Chinesecars

10-18-2011, 08:42 PM

Forget what the "official" website says. I'm here and can tell you the real deal. I stop by the local dealer (a large store) every 1-2 weeks. Every 2.0VGT has been built with Delphi. The blurb on the website actually refers to the 2.5TCi's Bosch injection system (which I like). They built a few 2.0VGT demo H5s with Bosch injection, but given Delphi offered a lower price and was the original supplier under Kia, they went with Delphi. I don't like Delphi. Bosch's technology is farther ahead. But I can't change the fact. Interestingly, the alternate Bosch 2.0VGT has a fuel heater integral with the fuel water separator (it's illustrated in the dealer's service manual), same as the 2.5TCi. It's easy to spot these trucks all have Delphi by looking at the Delphi name on the fuel injection control module and injectors, and Delphi's peculiar secondary fuel filter (which has no heater and can't be easily drained of water like the Bosch unit). The short primary fuel filter (under the rear seat/left side is the same for all diesel versions.

dieselhover

10-19-2011, 03:58 AM

Chinesecars,
I guess we will have to go with Delphi if there is no other option...
But on areas without any extreme cold weather, do you think the
heated filter from Bosch makes much difference? I know there are
electric after-market heater kits on could buy... and also there is
the option to performance chip Delphi (via fuel pressure sensor)
increasing economy/acceleration as needed, closer to the Bosch?

Chinesecars

10-19-2011, 07:22 AM

If you don't have extreme cold weather, you'll be okay without the fuel heater. There are no professional aftermarket fuel heater kits available for the 2.0VGT yet. About aftermarket fuel heaters, of course its always nice to be able to buy a kit made for your application, rather than a universal fuel heater that requires you to engineer all the plumbing. In China, there is one unit for sale for the 2.5TCi. It doesn't look that impressive in appearance but it works. It's a shame (actually stupid) that GW doesn't include a fuel heater with this engine as Kia did.

I plan to use diesel fuel additive all year long given the poor quality (high sulfur) diesel fuel in China (it's actually finally beginning to get better because the heavy trucks will soon use Euro-4 engines). During the coldest winter months, I'll temporarily switch to a diesel fuel additive with anti-gel capability.

Performance chips are generally created to fit specific vehicle applications. Since 99.9% of all H5 diesels are sold in China, and there is no demand for performance chips here (most Chinese are unfamiliar with them), I can't imagine you finding a chip to fit (unlike the U.S. diesel pickup market which has huge chip demand). I'm not even sure if a chip was available for Kia models fitted with the 2.0VGT.

dieselhover

10-19-2011, 09:51 AM

Chinesecars,
There are electrical heating kits that don't require any plumbing as they attach to the fuel filter body and work by heat transfer only using low 12V consumption, so that would be an option for cold starts, or like me to have a warmed garage in the winter when outside its cold (heating system vents).

Also, there are many sources in Europe/US for chip boxes on the Kia 2.0 an other sizes CDRi so I am confident there should be an option as well if GW uses the pre-2010 engine license. Should take it to the 200hp level I think :)

Chinesecars

10-19-2011, 08:01 PM

You are right about the fuel heaters that attach between the fuel filter head and the filter (looks like a black plastic spacer). That's what the Bosch fuel/water separator has on the 2.5TCi (that I like). But the Delphi secondary fuel filter does not screw on. It has the strangest looking fuel hose connections on top that I've ever seen (I'm sorry but I was unable to get a good picture of it, but you can see them in this picture).

dieselhover

10-20-2011, 03:53 AM

Yes. Still, should not be an issue since some kits attach around the filter body, and they adjust to many sizes. They work like a clamp-on type and then you connect them to a 12v line with a switch or directly if they have termo-control.

Chinesecars, since you are there in China, what is the 2.0 diesel auto H5 selling for in Euros? Here where I am in Eastern Europe it looks like it will be in the 17,5k-18K range when I order my 2012 model. Would be nice to know, thanks.

micodelija

10-20-2011, 05:02 PM

micodelija

10-20-2011, 05:03 PM

Chinesecars

10-20-2011, 08:17 PM

I've been told that the new 2012 high-end 2.0VGT 4wd H5 "Euro" will cost close to 170,000 Yuan (USD$26,623 / Euro 19,295). Previously, the 2011 price for the same high-spec 2.0VGT 4wd H5 "Euro" in China was 150,000 Yuan (USD$23,491 / Euro 17,025).

The high-spec 2011 H3 4wd 2.5TCi was 143,000 Yuan (USD$22,395 / Euro 16,230).

The new 2012 H5 is supposed to have 5 air bags (instead of 2) and other enhancements (see my previous posts). I saw 2 examples at a car show several months ago.

The H3 has the better looking front end, but although the H3 and H5 have the same main body, I think only the H5 is available with a sunroof. Except for that, they have the same interior options.

Here's the 2012 H5 "Euro" at the car show. They weren't "for sale" - just for looking (oddly, they refused to unlock them).

Chinesecars

10-20-2011, 08:31 PM

Between the 2 H5 models, the "Euro" and the "Extreme", the Euro is the better looking truck. It's not exciting like the H3, but it looks 10 times better than the Extreme with its huge ugly copy of a Chrysler 300N grille.

However, I do like the black rocker panels on the Extreme (plus the rear bumper's lower half is black. With the Euro, the rocker panels are body color (which will show rock chips) and the rear bumper is all body color. If you could get the Euro model with the Extreme'e black rocker panels and rear bumper, you would have the perfect H5.

dieselhover

10-21-2011, 05:17 AM

micodelija

10-21-2011, 05:49 AM

@ micodelija.
I am located in Moldova (Between Romania and Ukraine in case you haven't heard :)

@ Chinesecars,

Thanks very much for the prices info and the pictures! OK, so I take that for me its the H5 "Sunroof" version with (if possible) Extreme Black Rocker Panels + Rear Bumper (BTW, I like that extra chrome line in the front grill they added)... That would be a very good looking Hover indeed :) I got about $26K Budget for this deal, so will see how it goes when I order it sometime next month...

i hear and know where you are located, our local football club play a game about some club from your country :thumb:

how do you think to buy a car? is there a dealerships ih moldova or you will try to import it from romania or ukraine?

dieselhover

10-21-2011, 11:02 AM

micodelija

10-21-2011, 03:37 PM

I am planning to order via the only well known dealer here, but I wanted to ask you think it may be cheaper to import from other area? How close to the prices that Chinesecars posted are you in your area? And is it possible to order the vehicle with the options I am thinking to get? How flexible are Chinese to custom requests?

all depends what are import customs in your country, also if you dealer don't have a contract with great wall, there no possibility that he will buy a car directly from company, only from where you can buy a car is somewhere near, but i also don't know what are homologation law in your country

about customs requests....very difficult, only if you order big amount of cars, for now they usually offer some basic equipment, which can be modified but only by small issues, like you want leather seats or not, or maybe sunroof or not

dieselhover

10-25-2011, 02:06 PM

micodelija,
Thanks for the update :) I don't know that much about local dealer but will find out more...
If you come across any pricing range on other areas for the 2012 H5 Diesel Auto let me know, thanks!

Chinesecars

10-26-2011, 10:11 PM

(1) A few pictures of the H5's underbody.

Chinesecars

10-27-2011, 01:59 AM

(2) A few pictures of the H5's underbody.

Chinesecars

10-27-2011, 02:51 AM

(3) A few pictures of the H5's underbody.

Chinesecars

10-27-2011, 03:18 AM

A few pictures of an H5 Euro with the 2.0VGT diesel engine.

dieselhover

10-27-2011, 06:40 AM

Chinesecars,
Thank you very much for posting all those pictures! Great info, I appreciate it.
I thought the rear suspension was leaf springs (softer) than coil springs used?

tdi

10-27-2011, 09:51 AM

Not even the old hover used leaf springs, it come already with coil springs.

Chinesecars

10-27-2011, 08:32 PM

Here's a few more underbody shots of a new 2wd H5 (2.0VGT/5-speed Hyundai auto transmission) on the lift at the dealer.

dieselhover

10-28-2011, 08:43 AM

@tdi,
So you are saying just the Wingle pickup had/has the leaf springs on the back?

@Chinesecars,
Thank for the extra pictures. Do you have any of the H5 auto AWD? Thanks!

dieselhover

10-28-2011, 01:23 PM

I forgot to ask here, if anyone knows, if there is room to cranking those torsion bars which
would allow the front higher and therefore to level a bit better with the back of the hover?

Chinesecars

10-30-2011, 08:17 PM

Here are some left and right underbody pictures of an H5 with the Hyundai 5R35 5-speed automatic.

I stopped by the dealer yesterday and they still don't have any 2012 models. They had promised 2012 models would arrive in September, and then promised in October. And now they have no idea. It's all very strange. Certainly causes a customer to lose faith in the brand.

dieselhover

10-31-2011, 08:50 AM

Chinesecars,
I think you posted the AWD version of this transmission with a transfer case in previous pictures, now that I understand its the Hyundai tranny, thanks!

Chinesecars

10-31-2011, 07:56 PM

Here are two things I don't like. The 2.0VGT's Delphi fuel system has a fuel "primer bulb" like an outboard motor. This looks cheap to me.

The 2.0VGT's engine oil dipstick design allows dirt and dust to fall into the top of the tube. Sure, the dipstick has an o-ring. But when you pull out the dipstick, inevitably, dirt will fall in and contaminate the oil.

Chinesecars

10-31-2011, 08:03 PM

The 2.5TCi has a much better engine oil dipstick design, with an upper "cover" over the dipstick tube opening, that effectively prevents dirt from entering. Most dipsticks have this design. I can't imagine what GW was thinking when they design the 2.0VGT's dipstick.

One of the 2.5TCi's few negative aspects is the engine oil dipstick is inconveniently located at the rear of the engine next to the firewall. It's inconvenient to reach.

Chinesecars

11-03-2011, 05:00 AM

I believe that I have solved the confusion over the 2.0VGT about Delphi and Bosch fuel systems. Apparently the 110kW (150hp) 4D20 version of the 2.0VGT, used with the Hyundai 5R35 5-speed automatic transmission, gets the Delphi fuel system.

The newer 4D20B version (100kW/136hp) introduced this year specifically for H5s ordered with the 6-speed manual transmission gets the better (my opinion) Bosch fuel system.

It’s important to remember that the 4D20 uses a Borg-Warner variable geometry turbocharger (VGT), but the 4D20B uses an inferior Shanghai MHI wastegate turbocharger.

The 4D20 with its Delphi fuel system and Borg-Warner VGT seems to differ little from the original Kia 2.0 CRDi. I only know they deleted the fuel heater (a bad decision by GW).

As I posted earlier, the reduced horsepower appears to be an effort to solve the clutch and transmission problems occurring with 6-speed manual transmission 2.0VGT H5s.

Because of China's terrible traffic jams, I'm leaning towards the automatic transmission although I do enjoy the sporty feeling of a 6-speed manual. I wish GW would stop using the Zomax 6-speed transmission and cooperate with a better transmission and clutch suppliers (ie. Getrag and ZF) to resolve the high failure rates.

micodelija

11-03-2011, 10:16 AM

chinesecars...do you own hover???

dieselhover

11-03-2011, 04:20 PM

Chinescars,
I guess we cant have it all... But I would definitely go with the Delphi system as long as the more Hyundai-like engine design and auto transmission comes along... It seems to me that "chiping" the Delphi with already available Kia 2.0 CDRi module would give you the same or better performance/economy than the Bosh on a "B" version engine that has already been "tamed" by GW anyways... just my 2 cents :)

Chinesecars

11-03-2011, 08:49 PM

To answer your question, after collecting generally positive feedback from H3 and H5 owners for over a year, I decided to buy one. But since I want a 2012 model, and the product launch has been unexplicably delayed from September until some unknown future date (my dealer said it might even now be after next January), I have been unable to buy my new 2012 H5 (Euro model). I want to try a 4wd H5 with the 2.0VGT and Hyundai 5-speed automatic. If you read my posts, I have explained that I encountered driveability problems with this model after its introduction this year, as well as the 6-speed manual.

Since the latest 2.0VGT/automatic-equipped H5s I've test driven have improved driveability, but the 6-speeds still don't, plus considering the stop-and-go traffic here during rush hour, I'm planning to buy an automatic. But, I want the enhancements that the 2012 model will offer.

In July, I was told GW would be taking orders in September and I could have the truck in 30 days. Now, everything has changed and the dealer can't tell me anything definite. GW is certainly not inspiring confidence in me about their sales marketing and management. There are days when I consider buying a 2011 H3 with the 2.5TCi, because it's by far the best looking model (due to the intercooler hood scoop), it's performance is far superior to the 2.0VGT, and it has a Bosch fuel system with a fuel heater (I live in northern China).

So, I'm waiting on GW to get their act together. I can only guess that the 2012 models have problems that have not yet been addressed, and as a result, production could not begin in September as originally planned.

dieselhover

11-09-2011, 04:49 AM

Chinesecars,
You are right. Something is up with delivery of H5. I was told by local dealer that first H5 auto was going to arrive last weekend, now they tell me to keep checking... and this one apparently was an actual order delivery that they would let me test drive to get an idea of the vehicle... glad I am not the actual owner waiting for this one... any updates on your side? I assume they don't make the H3 with 2.5 tci automatic do they?

narryshenzen

11-09-2011, 08:42 AM

chinesecars...do you own hover???

hi
i am sorry i can ask you the same question do own a hover in china
owning in europe is a diffrent ball game all together
in china i have travel to most province
and i see there sevice pathetic for the least
narry:mad:

narryshenzen

11-09-2011, 08:46 AM

Chinesecars

11-09-2011, 07:43 PM

dieselhover

11-10-2011, 03:18 AM

You are right, the 2.5TCi and the 5-speed automatic be the best Hover combo since the 2.0VGT is not a finished product based on some severe issues they got, which is very sad... How reliable is the manual transmission on the 2.5TCi?
Specially the 4X4 version on the SUV?

narryshenzen

11-10-2011, 05:00 AM

micodelija

11-10-2011, 06:16 AM

No, the H3 2.0/2.4 gasoline and 2.5TCi diesel are not available with the Hundai 5-speed automatic. Wouldn't the 2.5TCi and the 5-speed automatic be a great combination!

It seems that GW has no true R&D capability. They have to contract out all of their development. That's why the Kia 2.0VGT + Hyundai auto isn't much changed from when Kia produced it. GW has no ability to make signifcant changes. The "B" version with the Bosch fuel system was reworked by Bosch, because GW couldn't possibly do it.

Realistically, GW is just a factory, because they can't actually design anything (good) by themselves (The H3/H5 came Isuzu - the Axiom).

If they could actually design cars and SUVs, the 5-speed automatic transmission would be available with all available engines (the normal way a global carmaker would do it).

i think you are way wrong....great wall have really modern R&D department, with over 80% with master degree who are highly educated, factory tour is free, i think you should arrange it :D, also they invest millions of dollars in it

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/6941440/img/6941440.jpg
http://www.cardesignnews.com/site/designers/whos_where/display/store4/item233307/
here is a new designer from great wall, andreas deufel, do you know which models he make? mercedes ml, mercedes gl, audi a4, mercedes e class, coupe models and so on, now you want to told to us all that great wall don't have their own center for design vehicles??? this gentleman here is most respective in automobile world

great wall had enormous grow from 2007, in only 5 years company had so much improvements that i simply can't write you down how that things it changed there, there is still space for improvements but great wall is very young brand in car industry and today's customers expectations are very high, of course all of them want to have luxury car for best possible price which is not possible,i also see that you also search and write so much about hover,but you don't own the car,forget any other people and those who are writing everything,great wall sold almost 400.000 cars, that mean 400.000 different clients and customer habits,do you think that everybody know how to maintenance the car properly?

i will tell to you funny story, before 3 years ago customer came to me and he was very angry, he came in my office and throw keys directly to my face, even hit me, i was shock and ask him what is the problem? he told to me that all power windows don't work and that he can't open doors from inside, u know what was the problem? he press the child lock button and safety button for windows that only you as a driver can operate with it,after i show him what did he done...he was embarrassed, now every time when he came to me i got a small gift from him

second customer when to tire shop to buy new off road tires and people there installed tires wrong, they put tires in opposite rotation, but my customer didn't know why car didn't go well and simply drive it like that, after almost 10.000 km tire change he came to us because some bearing inside wheel broke and we see this, he could not believe that this happens to him and i was also shocked that somebody didn't notice for 10.000 km that there is something wrong with the car and tires

Chinesecars

11-10-2011, 07:45 PM

micodelija

11-11-2011, 03:19 AM

The manual 5-speed behind the 2.5TCi appears to be reliable, based on the comments I've gotten over the last 3 years from many Chinese owners. But, the shift quality is not up to modern standards. First and second gear are very "notchy". It gets a little better with age but there clearly is a synchronizer design problem. Frankly, the 2.5TCi needs a new modern 5 or 6-speed manual transmision.

Narry, it doesn't cost "millions of rmb" to design another flywheel housing that would allow the Hyundai 5-speed automatic transmission to mount behind the 2.5TCi. For any global car company, this is a very small and simple matter. The problem for GW is, they don't even have this basic R&D capability.

Why does the 2.0VGT + Hyundai 5-speed auto have the Borg-Warner TOD 4wd system? Because that is the same drivetrain that Kia had. GW is forced to continue with exactly what Kia was building because they have no self ability to make any siginicant changes. They bought the drivetrain "off the shelf" from Kia.

Micodelija, you say that GW actually has a modern R&D capability. Well, when will they start showing it? I'm not stopping them. They can begin today. That would be great. The real truth is, they have to pay outside companies to do all their serious R&D for them.

For example, what R&D was done by GW for the H3/H5? They bought the truck design from Isuzu (the Axiom). They buy the gas engines from Mitsubishi. They bought the 2.5TCi from Nissan (originally was 2.8L) and paid Bosch to update it. Then for the H5, they bought the whole diesel powertrain package from Kia, Hyundai and Borg-Warner. What did GW engineer? Nothing.

I don't care about free factory tours. I don't care if they employ one expat designer (if he was really good, he'd be at a global carmaker making the big money). I only care about the end result.

as i told you before, great wall is very young brand, i don't know if you are informed but do you know how expensive is to make their own engine, gearboxes, car design and all other things?? this is million dollars talk, also almost every other car in china had mitsubishi engine, i know several brand which are using identical engine, all depends who had joint venture, some of them use toyota 4y engine, plenty of them use mitsubishi engine, isuzu 4jb1 engine, nissan yd32 engine and other, every suv which i check in china had some of those engines, ok some of brands try to make their own engine, but simply there is no need for that, why to spend 200 million dollars for engine development while you can buy finished engine for much lower amount? great wall had it own engine base and all of engines their produce by their own, even this diesel one, exploring and engineering take time and lot of money, it can't be done in one or two year, it must be planed for several years in future and again while you make there is always somebody who is offering more modern, this is why is best simply to buy finished technology and update it, great wall will still need almost 5 or 10 years to came between other car makers, but they are doing good and we must have thrust in brand and product, personally i drive great wall cars for 5 years now, from 2007, every car is better and better and i hope that all future cars will still be excitement to me what i want to drive them

just this what you write is modern customers, we all want the best quality, but can you afford it? let be clear here...hover price is affordable car in china, how much is price of hover in china? 17000 usd? for that price hover offer quite good price and quality ratio, simply if you want supreme quality, it cost much much more, several time more

dieselhover

11-11-2011, 07:16 AM

micodelija

11-11-2011, 08:28 AM

mico,
I get your point, but how much would it be to a third party to have a way to hookup the automatic tranny to the 2.5tci which is much better/reliable than new 2.0VGT? That would not be millions and would create an option for best Hover combo imho...

now we got other question...why to invest in old model??? great wall just recently present new hover h6 version and very soon h5 will be out of production,hover h5(cc6461) is just refresh and updated version of basic hover(cc6460) also there will be several new suv models in offer

i had chance to test new hover h6, difference is huge! especially driving effort, comfort, inner quality, decoration, also it's almost 400 kg lighter then hover h5, hover h6 is future of great wall

dieselhover

11-11-2011, 11:37 AM

micodelija

11-12-2011, 10:10 AM

mico,
So you are implying that by moving to new technology like the H6, great wall wouldn't have to research current H5 issues with the 2.0 VGT engine like leaking antifreeze, turbo oil leaks, or the noisy manual transmissions?

H6 doesn't look like a matching successor SUV to H3 or H5, is a vehicle for other applications. When that Great Wall plan to stop producing the reliable 2.5tci diesel engine? Because I am shy of buying 2.0 diesel and don't care for H6. What is the latest model year for H3/H5 with 2.5tci 4X4? Thanks!

no, you don't understand, great wall have good quality and reliable products, also all of them are covered by warranty, there is no chance that you will get a car which didn't pass company inspection and which isn't safe for ride, also all vehicles have passed china quality inspection test and i really doubt that hover will be best selling chinese suv is quality isn't good, maybe you read of forum experience from couple of customers who had bad luck or something, but one more time it depend how they maintenance their cars, also unsatisfied people always will be, you can expect that you sold 100.000 cars and that all will be without any problem, those what you written are problems so small that it can be solved in 10 minutes service

by my opinion all depends what customers expect from the car, i had also a customer which return a car to me, he is noisy, spend lot of fuel, he don't like quality...bla bla bla-yada yada yada, i sold it to other customer and he is apsoulutley delighted with the car and now driving it for 4 years, same car, two different customers feedback

also if any model of car, not just great wall, now i talk about any brand, usually throe marketing research and customer feedback companies upgrade their products if something is wrong, usually it's done throe recall system or simply during regular service check, my friend had nissan navara model and he had a problem with airbag module, nissan send to his home invitation that he came with the car to service inspection and for free they put in car new part, which was upgraded and made by nissan quality standard, when i had fiat punto it was identical, also when great wall send to me notice about some quality checking, we contact our customers and on regular service replace the parts which are on list for replace or other, for now we had only two such repairs

dieselhover

11-12-2011, 12:20 PM

I do understand, I come from a log family of mechanics, and let me tell you, many users of the new "green" and "quiet" 2.0 VGT diesel engines are experiencing leaking antifreeze from cylinder heads, oil leaks from the turbo, and noise/clutch issues from transmission... to name a few critical problems.

Now tell me how you think those are little issues you can fix in 10 minutes. No way. I worked as a mechanic and I know better... I would never touch a new engine sent to the market with those issues reported. This need addressing from Great Wall, not just making a less torqued "B" version to reduce transmission issues.... That is to me is just a patch, not a solution. Not to mention the pending unsolved problems. The hard, responsible way is to recall those engines and fix whatever is wrong with them. The easy way is to keep pushing new models and to quit researching previous failures...

Rally Red Lancer GTS

11-12-2011, 12:39 PM

Great Wall may want to just look ahead and sort of "force" a person with knowledge of these problems, like yourself, to buy the newer brand that doesn't have this problem. Sounds coarse, but fixing these problems is considerably expensive. I remember Mr.Lee Iacocca of Ford Motor Company, when people were bitching about the Ford Pinto's safety problem of exploding ghastly tank when it was being hit from behind, say simply "...well, they should trade up, then."

Honestly, straight out of the mouth of Lee Iacocca, the father of the Mustang. Imagine that.

dieselhover

11-13-2011, 04:35 AM

Rally,
Sadly true. This kind of behavior has been demonstrated by automakers many times before...
It makes the only smart option, to wait for 2 or more years on any late model that comes out
before it can be trusted to buy as reliable. Unfortunately, buying the "next year model" seems
nothing but risky business otherwise. Even with warranty on your side, you cant trust a car...

micodelija

11-13-2011, 05:31 AM

simply different opinions :D
diesel hover...please don't told to me about mechanic :D, i really don't want to discuss about that, simply let we look at sales results of great wall, this are best parameters is quality of car is good or bad, as i know great wall is top selling suv in china, when he will became worst selling suv then i will be worried, also there will be always satisfied and unsatisfied clients, if you are all so unsatisfied that gentelman from ford say good...buy another car

i also buy a vw passat several years ago as all my friends told to me that car is good, i wasn't happy with it, sold it and buy fiat, fiat was good car, drive it for 4 years and buy a new one, then i drive a new model for 4 years again and one more time i replace it with new one, why to bother with the car if you don't have thrust in it from the start??? also because of my bad experience with vw i will not say that vw make bad cars, after all there are top world leader car manifacture, but simply i will never like them any more, but identical you will hear from some other customers who will told to you that fiat make bad cars and vw are top, simply....different customers, different customer feedback, different opinions

to me...most important is that my hover 5 is doing well, already got 45.000 km with it without any problems :thumb:

dieselhover

11-13-2011, 06:13 AM

micodelija

11-13-2011, 12:46 PM

mico,
Eventually sales to unsatisfied customers will hit your optimistic numbers, just as you moved from one brand to another, this is no good for GW.
Maybe I am a smart buyer who know better... but you can't fool people forever... specially when you have domestic market unhappy :)

Anyways, talking about reliable diesel Hover now, what should I expect to pay average for new H3 2.5tci version with sunroof?
Anyone has estimate? Thanks!

so every year great wall have 80.000 fools which are buying hover? :D great conclusion :eek:, if hover quality was bad, people will not buy it, hover is best selling suv for several years now, of course there is happy and unhappy customers, but what can you do there? fight against wind? you can give to somebody a new mercedes and he will be unhappy with it, all depend on clients habits and his character, nobody will write to me that great wall making bad quality cars, no way....especially those who don't have it while i am driving them for 5 years now, great wall always upgrade their quality and market results show us that they are doing well, if great wall vehicles where bad, people will not buy it and they will not be best selling suv and pick up makers for several years on chinese market

personaly i also don't like when people write something which don't have a model of car for which they are writing about, you and chinese cars are users like that,new members which present like you want to buy a car...and then write bad about it :D, haha, firstly buy a car and then give your opinion on it, not that i have read, i have sow, i have hear bla bla bla, also it's funny how you are only active on this topics, i think administrators have some work here

by that i finish all my discussions and kindly ask that admins take care about this topic

tdi

11-13-2011, 02:32 PM

I have to go with micodelija on this one. My first Great Wall was bought in 2007. Ever since i had Hover, Peri, Haval m1, Wingle 3, Wingle 5, Haval h5…
The quality was good from the start, there were some minor faults that i commented on a casual mail with the sales representative regarding the welding of the door panels on the wingle 3. The next day I had in my inbox a form to better explain what was the problem and how I think they could improve it.
They are committed to improve the quality, if something goes wrong they don’t go on denial they face the problem.
I can honestly say that there are great improvements between wingle 3 and wingle 5, H5 is a much better car than Hover.
The older models I sold are well passed the 100.000 km’s barrier, and that being driven on 4x4 roads, with low quality diesel oil, in a tough climate.

Chinesecars

11-13-2011, 07:58 PM

Dieselhover, I sense that Mico has some connection to GW. No point responding to his comments. Anyone that keeps saying it costs millions of dollars to design a new flywheel housing to fit the Hyundai 5-speed auto behind the 2.5TCi either doesn't know much about auto design or has some other agenda. And, how could anyone compare the H3/H5 with the H6 (a completely different size vehicle and market segment)? By the way, the two 4S dealers here in my city are having a tough time selling the new H6. Like me, the Chinese customers don't like the appearance.

The 2.0VGT's problem with blown cylinder head gaskets and turbocharger oil leaks is frustrating. Although they bought the design from Kia, they are using lower quality Chinese parts now. And this is the result. The 6-speed manual transmission is just plain dangerous. With the weak detent spring, you accidentally shift into reverse when you are trying to shift into first. That's totally incompetent design that shouldn't be happening in year 2011. How could any respectable carmaker test this truck and put it on the market in this condition?

The 2012 high-spec 4wd H5 Euro 2.0VGT is supposed to cost 170,000 Yuan. That's USD $27,000. That's the same price as a 2-door Jeep 4wd Sahara which does have good quality and design. So the H5 is no longer cheap. For the higher price, as a customer, I do expect a more refined product. However, based on the feedback I've gotten here, the H3/H5 does continue to have quality and reliability problems.

Whenever I've been in a convenient situation to talk to a H3/H5 owner over the last 3 years, I ask them:

1) How do you like the truck?
2) How is the overall quality?
3) Have you had any problems?

I feel that I have gotten a lot of informative and realistic feedback. I haven't gotten any feedback from 2.0VGT owners because I rarely see them on the road and therefore haven't had an opportunity to talk to an owner.

Anyway, like any ordinarily prudent person that is considering purchasing a vehicle (especially a Chinese vehicle), I've been talking with H3/H5 customers whenever the opportunity presents itself (especially now since I'm stuck waiting for 2012 models to become available).

I'm not against GW. I'm open-minded and considering the purchase of an H5 (or H3) diesel. But like any potential customers, I have a right to make "constructive criticism" when I see obvious problems. For what the 2012 models cost, GW has a new and higher obligation to deliver better quality and engineering. I don't care if they outsource vehicle design. Do whatever is necessary to get the job done right. But, they're failing in their execution. Based on the 2.0VGT Euros that I drove, they clearly did not manage this new model's design well, and the problems customers are having are proof of this fact.

Car sales in China are slowing down. It's not a "crisis", but rather the cyclical car market is slowing down for a while. However, it's interesting to note that while the market as a whole is slowing, the foreign car brands are staying busy while the Chinese brands are quickly losing sales and market share.

dieselhover

11-14-2011, 03:56 AM

@micodelija,
WOW! You read me all wrong obviously, so please make me a favor, stop responding to my posts here, actually, this is my last post to you! You have sold your soul to GW and can't manage to read someone's post right...

I am a legit user of this forum, I post here because I was initially interested in the H5 2.0VGT auto, but for personal reasons and actual owner feedback, that has changed... I don't own a hover yet, but I am entitled to my opinion and posts as much as you or anyone here interested in GW is... After all, that is the point of this forum in case you haven't notice! You make me laugh... calling the admin on me, come on salesman, are you serious?

I don't think GW is bad, in fact I want to buy a diesel one, as my name here implies, I want to find the best diesel hover for me, don't I have the right mico? :)

Anyways... to quote your own words: "obviously there was production problem or series of car which isn't completely tested and ready for sale"
Bingo! That is what I have been talking about, nothing else actually...
and "i think you should do more pressure to great wall to fix your car and make it right for you to be safe on the road" I hope the "fools" read that!

I am done with you mico, I don't need your help or attacks, so keep selling!

@Chinesecars or anyone else that is actually helpful here,
Can you tell me what the H3 2,5tci 4x4 with the all light creme interior cost in China as a reference? (Not sure what year fits that description but I don't care about 2012 if they don't have them anymore, just want that particular vehicle), I am decided for this one with the hood scoop and sunroof so If you have any feedback on this one or even you opinion is appreciated, thank you in advance!

micodelija

11-14-2011, 04:55 AM

@micodelija,
wow! You read me all wrong obviously, so please make me a favor, stop responding to my posts here, actually, this is my last post to you! You have sold your soul to gw and can't manage to read someone's post right...

I am a legit user of this forum, i post here because i was initially interested in the h5 2.0vgt auto, but for personal reasons and actual owner feedback, that has changed... I don't own a hover yet, but i am entitled to my opinion and posts as much as you or anyone here interested in gw is... After all, that is the point of this forum in case you haven't notice! You make me laugh... Calling the admin on me, come on salesman, are you serious?

I don't think gw is bad, in fact i want to buy a diesel one, as my name here implies, i want to find the best diesel hover for me, don't i have the right mico? :)

anyways... To quote your own words: "obviously there was production problem or series of car which isn't completely tested and ready for sale"
bingo! That is what i have been talking about, nothing else actually...
And "i think you should do more pressure to great wall to fix your car and make it right for you to be safe on the road" i hope the "fools" read that!

I am done with you mico, i don't need your help or attacks, so keep selling!

@chinesecars or anyone else that is actually helpful here,
can you tell me what the h3 2,5tci 4x4 with the all light creme interior cost in china as a reference? (not sure what year fits that description but i don't care about 2012 if they don't have them anymore, just want that particular vehicle), i am decided for this one with the hood scoop and sunroof so if you have any feedback on this one or even you opinion is appreciated, thank you in advance!

:)...hahahah
you two "experts" just keep discussing...i will enjoy my hover 5 :)

mehudi

11-14-2011, 05:59 AM

.......... The 6-speed manual transmission is just plain dangerous. With the weak detent spring, you accidentally shift into reverse when you are trying to shift into first. That's totally incompetent design that shouldn't be happening in year 2011. How could any respectable carmaker test this truck and put it on the market in this condition?
...............
it's interesting to note that while the market as a whole is slowing, the foreign car brands are staying busy while the Chinese brands are quickly losing sales and market share.

i agree with the danger of 6 speed manual. the local dealers of gw (there will be gw models assembled in bg from kd kits) were told not test drive customers until improvement is made. the car (wingle 5, in this case) will not be sold until the improved gearbox is used. and actually there are no diesel 4x4 wingles on sale in bg - may be next year - the heavy advertisement is for gas models (i want diesel).

for foreign based established models is normal to keep sales while not yet decades proved companies suffer. it'll be the same in any business segment and in any business cycle - the long established, household names will keep the momentum and the newborn will suffer.

micodelija

11-14-2011, 07:41 AM

i agree with the danger of 6 speed manual. the local dealers of gw (there will be gw models assembled in bg from kd kits) were told not test drive customers until improvement is made. the car (wingle 5, in this case) will not be sold until the improved gearbox is used. and actually there are no diesel 4x4 wingles on sale in bg - may be next year - the heavy advertisement is for gas models (i want diesel).

for foreign based established models is normal to keep sales while not yet decades proved companies suffer. it'll be the same in any business segment and in any business cycle - the long established, household names will keep the momentum and the newborn will suffer.

hi mehudi

welcome to forum :thumb:
http://www.autoruote4x4.com/it/test_drive_great_wall_steed_5_tdi.html
check this link, in italy there was almost 400 diesel pick up's imported just in first batch from 2000 vehicles, all of them with new diesel engine, media and customers are delighted with the car :thumb:, this vehicle also have european homologation, that mean complete verification already, while italians also did their national homologation too, that mean that car passed one more time thru whole homologation checking and got italian ministry of transport certificate, MOT, i really doubt that great wall will export almost 400 diesel engines in italy, which is third biggest market in europe if they don't thrust in their product and if quality were not ok, from all chinese suv and pick up brands in italy (gonow, shuanghuan) only great wall achieve good sale

about gasoline engine in italy you can buy ecodual model, that mean with LPG(GPL) installation on the car which is more friendly to environment and according to these fuel prices much economic, also during may 2011 wingle with gasoline engine was best selling italian pick up, so you can also be sure in it's quality and reliability, personally i like more gasoline versions

Chinesecars

11-14-2011, 06:52 PM

Dieselhover, when I asked earlier this year about the price of a high end H3 2.5TCi 4wd with all options (including the touch screen navigation system) I was told 143,00 Yuan, which is 16,520 Euros or USD $22,500.

I will keep you informed. I might end up getting the H3 2.5TCi too. It's ashame. If the 2.0VGT was built to the same quality standards as when Kia produced it, and then add the imported Hyundai 5-speed auto transmission, the H5 would have a nice drivetrain (the only problem being GW went cheap on the Borg-Warner TOD transfer case and didn't buy the version with low range -- the H3 2.5TCi has a low range transfer case).

dieselhover

11-15-2011, 03:20 AM

Chinesecars,
Our local dealer is supposed to call me to tomorrow to test drive a brand new H5 2.0 VGT with auto transmission they sold to local customer. I am specially interested about engine response with that tranny, but I feel pretty much that with the existing issues with this engine, and cheaper parts involved, its a coin toss to buy this vehicle.

I am pretty much sold on the about 1000 Euros cheaper H3 2.5 TCI True 4X4. I hope I can eventually test drive one of those to make my final decision, but just as the car that arrives tomorrow, the new diesels are a first ever in this country, and all that I see around here is 2008 old 2.8TC Hovers :)

Chinesecars

11-15-2011, 07:37 PM

Okay, let me know what you think. With my first H5 2.0VGT test drive, that truck had no power in the lower RPMs (before the turbo kicks in, but also where we spend a lot of time driving). The later trucks were better, IF the air conditioning was turned off. But with the air conditioned turned on, it was very slow in the lower RPMs.

The 2.5TCi has plenty of power all the time under all conditions. But I was disappointed with the 5-speed manual's poor shift quality (inferior synchronizer design). I was also disappointed with "startability", meaning the truck's 3.90 rear axle ratio is too high (low numerically) for the transmission's 1st gear ratio (it's a bad match). You are forced to slip the clutch some to get going with the 235/70R16 tires (or 235/65R17 - same height), which isn't a good thing. The problem is the 3.90 rear axle ratio, which is usually for a 2wd pickup with smaller tires. To solve that problem, all the H3/H5 should have a 4.10 axle ratio. This is another example of poor GW engineering. They probably wanted to use their usual 2wd pickup truck rear axle and it had the 3.90 ratio.

A lot of people in China put 245/70R16 tires on their H3s (same size as the Nissan Paladin/Xterra), but they suffer terrible performance without the 4.10 axle ratio.