It's fun that so many foreigners are interested in china national automotive,I am chinese in shanghai,I'm always confused about china auto market,you know although china is the 3rd largest auto market in the world(maybe),but how you can say that it's china national market?

You can see GM,VW,Honda,Toyota everwhere in china,but they are not national,we don't have technology at all in the joint ventures of automotive such as shanghai VW,shanghai GM...

How sad the reality is! but chery,geely gives our chinese hope now,they are trying to work with their own technology and market,I belive that china will be the new success in the world auto market in the near future!

Are you from foreign countries?

I am from UK 英国. :)


but chery,geely gives our chinese hope now,they are trying to work with their own technology and market,I belive that china will be the new success in the world auto market in the near future!
You are in Shanghi but have forgotten SAIC (Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation) who are busy developing their own technology (having bought some designs from the UK MG-Rover).

You have also forgotten Nanjing Automobile 南汽 who have bought all the MG-Rover technology and so own it.

I think in 3 years these two companies will bring you more success the Cherry and Geely. SAIC is much bigger than Cherry and Geely combined.

i am in Canada..

and interested in CHina auto industry because its good to see more variety in cars here and this wont be like how korea invaded with kia..when china comes to canada market there will be 2-3 companies...it will take the industry by storm

I'm from the UK too. I think Nanjing have been very clever. They have purchased several household names from what was once the 3rd biggest car maker in the world. Yes they are missing Triumph and Rover, but Austin, MG, Morris, Wolseley are all brands known and respected all over the world. They have got some fairly up to date engine technology and in the ZT a world class car platform. The TF was the best selling sportscar in the UK and the ZR the best selling hot hatch. If Nanjing can't make it with this lot then I have no hope for any of the other Chinese car makers. The world is watching how China deals with MG Rover now. Will if fix the badges on world beating cars or on poorly designed and build cars? This is China's big test....

Well, I'm Chinese American, I'm in California.

I travel to China often. I hope to see Chinese cars become successful in the West.

I'm in the United States, I'm half chinese (quarter german, quarter scots-irish)... my mom escaped from China in 1951. Her father was a businessman and when the communists took over they stole all of the family money, and tried to kill him. He barely got out alive. My mother's uncle stayed in china and was arrested and taken away from his family (a wife and two young daughters) in the middle of the night by the government for speaking out against communism and was never seen again (killed?). I hope china has changed... I still hear a lot of things about human rights abuses coming out of china, and the tiananmen square slaughter wasn't that long ago. :nono:

I'm apprehensive about Chinese cars coming to America. If the quality and safety improves they have potential as being decent cars, but to be fair, even the first entries of both Japan and Korea into the US car market were for their time, vastly better than current Chinese models. Still, I'm sticking with my BMW's. Safety is only the first hurdle.. if Chinese cars can be safe, the next question is, can they be reliable? Can they handle well? Can they be comfortable and classy? Can they exude a brand image of quality? Will they preform well? I guess that remains to be seen.

I was born in America, my parents and family are originally from Russia and I now live in Australia as of 2001. I know how to speak fluent Russian but I cant read Russian :(

I'm in the United States, I'm half chinese (quarter german, quarter scots-irish)... my mom escaped from China in 1951. Her father was a businessman and when the communists took over they stole all of the family money, and tried to kill him. He barely got out alive. My mother's uncle stayed in china and was arrested and taken away from his family (a wife and two young daughters) in the middle of the night by the government for speaking out against communism and was never seen again (killed?). I hope china has changed... I still hear a lot of things about human rights abuses coming out of china, and the tiananmen square slaughter wasn't that long ago. :nono:

I'm apprehensive about Chinese cars coming to America. If the quality and safety improves they have potential as being decent cars, but to be fair, even the first entries of both Japan and Korea into the US car market were for their time, vastly better than current Chinese models. Still, I'm sticking with my BMW's. Safety is only the first hurdle.. if Chinese cars can be safe, the next question is, can they be reliable? Can they handle well? Can they be comfortable and classy? Can they exude a brand image of quality? Will they preform well? I guess that remains to be seen.

Well, I can assure you that China has changed TREMENDOUSLY. I'm not just talking about since the 1950's, I'm talking about even since 2000.

China is a rapidly changing and dynamic country. In fact, it is the most exciting country to be in right now. Also, as for human rights. Yes, there is no doubt China has room for improvement, but on the other hand, the Western media does really skew and misrepresent the situation. Human rights in China is steadily improving and has experienced a lot of improvement in recent years.

China is a lot more sophisticated than a lot of Westerners think. That's why many Americans are often shocked by how modern it is when they go there. I think the Chinese auto industry will definitely be successful one day. It may not be at the level of the world's best right now, but it will catch up faster than the length of time it took Japan or Korea. China is a huge country with tremendous resources.

I was born in the Canary Islands (Spain) moved to Australia aged 6 mths and have never ventured out.

The only language I know is English never learn't Spanish, learn't little Italian & German can't remember much though.

I dont see anyone from china, i guess they want to get rid of their cars, trying to put them abroad...well we arent taking htem in US

I dont see anyone from china, i guess they want to get rid of their cars, trying to put them abroad...well we arent taking htem in US


There are a couple members from China. But most are outside of China. Why? Because this is an English forum, and most Chinese do not speak English. I know you never considered that there are countries in this world that do not use English as the regular mode of communication, but there are.

For ultra-nationalists like you who are desperately xenophobic, the facts are on the line. The US is the one who promotes globalism, so its car industry needs to make good products to survive. No bashing of Japanese, Korean or now, Chinese cars, will make the industry thrive.

Well, I can assure you that China has changed TREMENDOUSLY. I'm not just talking about since the 1950's, I'm talking about even since 2000.

China is a rapidly changing and dynamic country. In fact, it is the most exciting country to be in right now. Also, as for human rights. Yes, there is no doubt China has room for improvement, but on the other hand, the Western media does really skew and misrepresent the situation. Human rights in China is steadily improving and has experienced a lot of improvement in recent years.

China is a lot more sophisticated than a lot of Westerners think. That's why many Americans are often shocked by how modern it is when they go there. I think the Chinese auto industry will definitely be successful one day. It may not be at the level of the world's best right now, but it will catch up faster than the length of time it took Japan or Korea. China is a huge country with tremendous resources.

I'm glad to hear that. I think just to compete on a global market, the chinese government probably has to bring itself up to date with the rest of the world in many ways, human rights being one of them. You can't have thriving businesses in a climate of political repression. Also, this is just a guess, but I think the addition of Hong Kong back in to the control of mainland china probably had a widespread impact on the country in general. After all, hong kong under british rule for all intents and purposes was a free society and I'm sure it's citizens expected the same kind of treatment from the chinese government. The relaxed governing style in hong kong has (again I'm guessing here) probably spread in many ways around the country, making for a more open and modern society.

I was born in America, my parents and family are originally from Russia and I now live in Australia as of 2001. I know how to speak fluent Russian but I cant read Russian :(

I'm nearly the same way with chinese, I can speak it, (although I can probably only understand at about an 8th grade level and speak on about a 3rd or 4th grade level ... but without a western accent) but I can't read or write it. The only chinese i can write is my name and that's about it. :D

I'm glad to hear that. I think just to compete on a global market, the chinese government probably has to bring itself up to date with the rest of the world in many ways, human rights being one of them. You can't have thriving businesses in a climate of political repression. Also, this is just a guess, but I think the addition of Hong Kong back in to the control of mainland china probably had a widespread impact on the country in general. After all, hong kong under british rule for all intents and purposes was a free society and I'm sure it's citizens expected the same kind of treatment from the chinese government. The relaxed governing style in hong kong has (again I'm guessing here) probably spread in many ways around the country, making for a more open and modern society.


Well, I think HK's impact has been minimal. The truth is that you cannot seperate economic modernization from political and social modernization. If China had not opened its doors to economic reform, than most people would have remain dependent on the party for information. Now that China's economic is rapidly modernizing, Chinese people have an unprecedented amount of personal freedoms. In the past, the party controlled where a person was to live, to work to travel and even who they could marry. Today, Chinese people have nearly every personal freedom that an American has. Notice I said PERSONAL freedom not political freedom, they are not the same thing. However, even with political freedom, there is much less repression today than there was before. Although if you advocated overthrowing the government in a public arena, you would likely be arrested, otherwise, there are many people who criticize the government nowadays publicly and do not get into trouble. Though there are still some cases of media silencing, however, even there, the repression is not the same as before. While in the past, repression meant death or torture. Today, the tactics are less repressive and may mean having your paper shut down or being demoted (if working for a govt agency).

Of course, there is no doubt that there is still a lot of improvement. But to be fair, it took Western countries many decades of development to get where they were at now. What I'm saying is that things do not happen overnight, but I think signs in China are very encouraging. The major problems however still remain rural poverty, corruption and gaps between the rich and poor. I think China's current central government is VERY competent, however, many local governments, especially in rural areas are very corrupt. The problem is how to make sure the local governments listen to the central government. They will soon find out that the system needs to be reformed, there is no other way to take on such huge problems.

Well, I think HK's impact has been minimal. The truth is that you cannot seperate economic modernization from political and social modernization. If China had not opened its doors to economic reform, than most people would have remain dependent on the party for information. Now that China's economic is rapidly modernizing, Chinese people have an unprecedented amount of personal freedoms. In the past, the party controlled where a person was to live, to work to travel and even who they could marry. Today, Chinese people have nearly every personal freedom that an American has. Notice I said PERSONAL freedom not political freedom, they are not the same thing. However, even with political freedom, there is much less repression today than there was before. Although if you advocated overthrowing the government in a public arena, you would likely be arrested, otherwise, there are many people who criticize the government nowadays publicly and do not get into trouble. Though there are still some cases of media silencing, however, even there, the repression is not the same as before. While in the past, repression meant death or torture. Today, the tactics are less repressive and may mean having your paper shut down or being demoted (if working for a govt agency).

Of course, there is no doubt that there is still a lot of improvement. But to be fair, it took Western countries many decades of development to get where they were at now. What I'm saying is that things do not happen overnight, but I think signs in China are very encouraging. The major problems however still remain rural poverty, corruption and gaps between the rich and poor. I think China's current central government is VERY competent, however, many local governments, especially in rural areas are very corrupt. The problem is how to make sure the local governments listen to the central government. They will soon find out that the system needs to be reformed, there is no other way to take on such huge problems.

I can agree with this. I think if the current government can manage to deal with political and religious freedom issues more openly and perhaps reform in that aspect, there may be no need for the current system of government to change. A slow march to freedom can avert a lot of bloodshed and may be the best course for china.:shrug:

I'm from Russia. And my father is an owner of Great Wall puckup 4x4.

I'm a Chinese-American. Born in Taiwan, grew up in Southern California and still live here today.

Amazingly I can read Chinese, both traditional and simplified, but I can't write worth a darn - lack of practice I guess.

I've traveled quite a bit in China; tons of fun. Going to China again in the summer.

Yes, China has change so much recently, all for the better. I hope China continues down this path and in a few decades, become a 1st world country, prosperous and free.

Ni Hao, Sorry, can't type signs.

I'm from Russia and I do admire China! It's a great country, the future global leader. I'm sure, it'll be so. It also seriously frightens me and many people here in Russia. When growing stronger politically and economically China will expand to the North and swollow Siberia, the two thirds of Russia estraordinally rich in mineral resourses. Maybe Russia will cease to exist as a united state. I'm very pessimistic about future of Russia and don't see any reasons why this shoul not happen. Though surprises may happen. "Russia" is "the country of surprises" in chinese.

I work as a journalist, can speak, read, write and understand in English, German and Russian, of course. I study chinese to get prepared to the chinese, who are coming.

I live in the US and I am anxious to see what other countries others are from and to know why they are interested in Chinese cas, too.

Haha, no need to worry about the rise of China. Historically China has always stressed harmony and peace; it's part of the culture. Russia stand to benefit greatly from China's rise. Being a close neighbor and friend, and the vast natural resources that China need for growth, Russia will rise in step with China. Believe me that.

I am from the United States (Missouri) and I would like to have a Geely pickup.

I am from the United States (Missouri) and I would like to have a Geely pickup.


Howd you hear about that?

I'm Belgian-American, but my Father lives in China and owns a business there, in Shanghai. I also have a close friend who lives in Taiyuan.

I'm Belgian-American, but my Father lives in China and owns a business there, in Shanghai. I also have a close friend who lives in Taiyuan.

I thought you were French at the first sight of your pseudo name

It's on the Geely international website.

Welcome Vitesse and dbatch1715:)

I thought you were French at the first sight of your pseudo name
Imagine someone had an ID like Evian, Surcouf or Fromage...:D

I'm from Egypt, several chinese auto makers are offering their cars in the egyptian market now (Chery, Geely, SMA, Hafei, Lifan) the best 2 sellers are Chery and Geely then Hafei is coming after them, some chinese brands came to Egypt and Dissappeared in short time like ZXauto (high customs and taxes on cars with engines larger than 1.6) and Jiangnan (which was fighting against Maruti that is already in the egyptian market 10 years ago).
Zhonghua is going to assemble its cars in Egypt this summer (I would like to have one).

I think chinese cars are not bad, and improving very fast, I was interisting about the chinese cars 4-5 years ago, but now I can see the differnce, and I'm thinking about buying a chinese car very soon.

I'm from Shanghai, China originally, then to Coventry,England, then to Ontario, Canada, and I study/work in auto industry in those 3 countries.

I'am from Holland, and I live in France. Since 1983 I have been each year a couple of weeks in China. Chinese call me Laofan, as my Chinese name is Fan Yinggen. Erik

Oh yes, I have forgotten: the yellow car here is a 1987 Beijing BJ 212 which I bought in Holland. It is the first Chinese car licensed in France. I am a member of the International Beijing Jeep Owners Club, see our website (I am not allowed to give it to you as long as I am a junior member, but imagine ...beijingjeep.org.)
Erik

I'am from Holland, and I live in France.

May I know where in France you live? I'm currently in Rennes.

Im CBC chinese born canadian Edmonton Alberta, there are a million of us here and another 29 million non-CBC's, come here chinese cars, here is your market, Canadians are waiting for you, we dont hate any country (*other than americans), we dont boycott you cars, we just want good cars for good price.

Yes Firefox, I live on the other side: Ortaffa south of Perpignan, Pyrenees Orientales. Whenever you are in the region, I like to meet you, and I can show you my BJ 212 (we can make a ride on the pistes here in the Alberes) and my Chinese car archive.
These are my credentials:
Erik van Ingen Schenau
China Motor Vehicle Documentation Centre
2 Rue des Remparts
F 66560 Ortaffa France
tel +33 468 21 49 98
fax +33 468 21 49 98
....chinesecars.net
Greetings! Erik.

Probably some of you will visit the Beijing Motor Show in November. What about dating? We can meet for instance right after the press day(s). A good idea?
Erik (Laofan)

CMVDC is yours??? How can it be true??? I once visited this website by a simple search in Google and it was ALL BY CHANCE that I found it. I was just wondering who could be this ''French guy'' collecting so much information about Chinese cars but today, God knows how I meet him right here, and he even invited me for a ride on his BJ212!!!! The world is so small, isn't it?

Anyway, I'm so surprised and so happy to meet you Erik, and It's very kind of you. I do wanna find some chance to travel to the south one day. Here in France, I have five years' studies and a stay in France without being to the South will never be complete, right? I'm sure it'll be fantasic to drive in the Pyrenees on a BJ212.

The BJ Motor Show is in November? I thought it was around this summer. What a pity I can't go with you coz I return to France in September. But thanks for your proposition, it is a great idea!

Looking forward to see you one day.

this site is bringing the chinese car community together :)

this site is bringing the chinese car community together :)

Thats good, the purpose of this site was to share info on chinese cars and to unite the tiny chinese car community

Im CBC chinese born canadian Edmonton Alberta, there are a million of us here and another 29 million non-CBC's, come here chinese cars, here is your market, Canadians are waiting for you, we dont hate any country (*other than americans), we dont boycott you cars, we just want good cars for good price.

You're right! The Chinese car companies should really enter Canada first and test the waters, even Mexico and South America. Enter US and Europe last since they are the toughest markets and the most demanding.

(But since I live in the US and I want to buy one NOW, bring it!)

Just beware - Canada has tried and rejected unusual imports before, notably Lada, Skoda, and Innocenti.

Hyundai is an exception to that story, since Hyundai entered Canada four years prior to entering the US and established a rather better rep up north than they did here in the south.

I'm a Chinese living in California. All I see here are Japanese cars, esp Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura.

I'm a Chinese living in California. All I see here are Japanese cars, esp Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura.

also lots of BMW's

also lots of BMW's


That's true, but they are not really that good. My sister bought a brand new 323i back in 2000, and the engine burned at 60000 miles, it cost her $5000 to fix the problem. Yet still a lot of people buy them here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCal
I'm a Chinese living in California. All I see here are Japanese cars, esp Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura.


hey SoCal this is what they whole forum is about, chinese cars entering the US

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCal
I'm a Chinese living in California. All I see here are Japanese cars, esp Toyota/Lexus and Honda/Acura.


hey SoCal this is what they whole forum is about, chinese cars entering the US


:lol:
lol i think he knew that;)

Well, now it´s my turn. I´m Kike, half italian (mother) and half Spanish (father) but i´ve born in Madrid, Spain......I´ve lived in London for some years and after that, i moved to Spain again, but to the south, Marbella exactly, in Malaga province. During some years, i was living for short times in other countries, like France, Italy, Maroc or Luxemburg. Now i think no one can move me, jeejej. I posted some pics of my cars on the other post (Ride subforum). I actually works as journalist...and im writting some post and articles for spanish.autoblog.com, the spanish sister site of chinese.autoblog.com. My name there is enrique Garcia (Kike it´s the short name)

That's true, but they are not really that good. My sister bought a brand new 323i back in 2000, and the engine burned at 60000 miles, it cost her $5000 to fix the problem. Yet still a lot of people buy them here.

So just because you sister bought a BMW and had a problem means all BMW's are bad? Way to think logically. :rolleyes: How did the engine "burn out" anyhow? Did she even bother to change the oil, do regular maintenence, etc, or did she just drive it until it broke?

Im CBC chinese born canadian Edmonton Alberta, there are a million of us here and another 29 million non-CBC's, come here chinese cars, here is your market, Canadians are waiting for you, we dont hate any country (*other than americans), we dont boycott you cars, we just want good cars for good price.

Thanks a lot. :D

I'm British-Chinese, originally from Shanghai. I have lived in the UK longer than I did China, so my Chinese skills are rather weak, I can read and listen but can't write them.

Glad to meet you all.

Well, now it´s my turn. I´m Kike, half italian (mother) and half Spanish (father) but i´ve born in Madrid, Spain......I´ve lived in London for some years and after that, i moved to Spain again, but to the south, Marbella exactly, in Malaga province. During some years, i was living for short times in other countries, like France, Italy, Maroc or Luxemburg. Now i think no one can move me, jeejej. I posted some pics of my cars on the other post (Ride subforum). I actually works as journalist...and im writting some post and articles for spanish.autoblog.com, the spanish sister site of chinese.autoblog.com. My name there is enrique Garcia (Kike it´s the short name)

great stuff starex, hope this forum helps you to write articles on chinese cars :D, and dont forget to spread to word of these forums to people interested in chinese cars :D

So just because you sister bought a BMW and had a problem means all BMW's are bad? Way to think logically. :rolleyes: How did the engine "burn out" anyhow? Did she even bother to change the oil, do regular maintenence, etc, or did she just drive it until it broke?


Did she change the oil? So if she didn't change oil the car can actually run 60,000 miles? Yeah, that's really logical. :rolleyes:

So what am I suppose to think, that her car burned and BMW are the most reliable brand ever because of that? Your "logic" confuse me. My logic is that I won't be a hot head if someone else doesn't like the car I'm driving. I respect their opinions.

Yes. I come from foreign countries too.

I am an 18-years-old man from Thailand. My home town is Tak or Uttaradit. Now I am a student in Chiang Mai University (faculty of Engineering).

There are too many pickups in my country.
But Chinese cars may not available in Thailand (or it's very rare...) because of in China is left-hand-drive likes USA but in Thailand is right-hand-drive likes Japan or UK.

First time I seen Chinese vehicle is not a car, but it's a "Golden Dragon" bus!

Yes. I come from foreign countries too.

I am an 18-years-old man from Thailand. My home town is Tak or Uttaradit. Now I am a student in Chiang Mai University (faculty of Engineering).

There are too many pickups in my country.
But Chinese cars may not available in Thailand (or it's very rare...) because of in China is left-hand-drive likes USA but in Thailand is right-hand-drive likes Japan or UK.

First time I seen Chinese vehicle is not a car, but it's a "Golden Dragon" bus!


welcome to here

I am a Chinese living in UK, interested in the Chinese and British automotive world.
I have known this forum for a few months, but only joined just now.

Overseas Chinese

I am Portuguese, living in Africa i speak portuguese, spanish, french, italian, english, creole and a little german.
I own 3 changan sc6601 minibuses, have a jianling scooter and my Brilliance arrives in less than 2 weeks

I am Portuguese, living in Africa i speak portuguese, spanish, french, italian, english, creole and a little german.
I own 3 changan sc6601 minibuses, have a jianling scooter and my Brilliance arrives in less than 2 weeks


wow! what brilliance you getting, hope u post pics

what country in africa you live

Hi there

i will post some pics as soon as i get it. Its a BS6 the model
I live in Cape Verde islands, just 300 miles in front of Dakar Senegal.

we will keep in touch
vd

i'm from Romania and i'm intersted in Landmark model.
Is nice, and i think i'll buy one from zx auto.
Nice meeting you all.

i'm from Romania and i'm intersted in Landmark model.
Is nice, and i think i'll buy one from zx auto.
Nice meeting you all.

welcome romanu and victordavid:)