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narryshenzen 07-22-2011 06:36 AM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by micodelija (Post 60326)
why did you write so many copy paste posts? several time you write identical post

yes, the multiple posts were because i coudn't see my posts at all
every time i clicked submit reply, the browser diverted me to the main page of H5 .. and when i browse o view my post - Nothing !

And i face the same problem today -
i deleted the extra double post - worked fine
then i edited the other post to append the remaining text - and gone again !
Till now i cannot view my last post !!!

micodelija 07-22-2011 08:45 AM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by narryshenzen (Post 60329)
yes, the multiple posts were because i coudn't see my posts at all
every time i clicked submit reply, the browser diverted me to the main page of H5 .. and when i browse o view my post - Nothing !

And i face the same problem today -
i deleted the extra double post - worked fine
then i edited the other post to append the remaining text - and gone again !
Till now i cannot view my last post !!!

fell no problem, contact martin krpan, he is admin here and he will make it right so we call can follow the theme right :thumb:

narryshenzen 07-23-2011 03:23 AM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinesecars (Post 60327)
For now, it seems the only safe way to buy an H5 2.0VGT diesel is with the 5-speed automatic. The engine and transmission were made to work together. The 2.0VGT is the proven pre-2010 Kia 2.0 CRDi diesel, and the transmission is the Hyundai/Kia model 5R35, made by Hyundai Powertech in South Korea

Yes, i had given the H5 AT a thought too, but heard from users that i had a very poor throttle response. The engine pics up very slowly since the gear shift is very slow / delayed. It doesn't feel like a 2.0T engine altogether. The MT gearbox gives a good driveability, but poor design.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinesecars (Post 60327)
I like to shift, a 6-speed manual would be great, but clearly Great Wall is having troubles (apparently they didn't but the 6-speed manual from Hyundai/Kia Group as well).

Yes, GWM did not buy the 6 speed MT gearbox from KIA, they thought of having a Chinese company (Zomax) develop it for them, probably to make it cheaper. The result was a much bigger gearbox, with the problems which i mentioned before.

Chinesecars 07-25-2011 11:05 PM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
I agree. The 2.0VGT/auto combination feels acceptable, until you turn on the air conditioning. Then it's very slow. A 2.0-liter engine at low RPMs (prior to the turbocharger helping above 2500 RPM), should have more power. I'd buy the 2.5TCi but I like the drive belt system of the 2.0VGT much better. And internally, the 2.0VGT is simply newer and better technology. I blame Delphi, the fuel system supplier, for the power problem. Simply speaking, Delphi's technology can't compare to Bosch. The powerful 2.5 TCi has a Bosch fuel system and that Hover is fast!

Delphi began having financial troubles in 2001, filed for bankruptcy in 2005, scraped bottom thru 2009. Some private investors bought Delphi in late 2009. The company is only alive because General Motors needed the company as a supplier. Delphi is not alive because it was a great supplier. Bosch is successful, with the money to hire the best engineers. Good engineers don't work for bad, financially-troubled companies like Delphi. Good engineers are attracted to strong companies like Bosch.

Interestingly, the GW 2.0VGT was designed to accept Delphi or Bosch fuel systems. But I've only see engines with Delphi systems.

Chinesecars 07-26-2011 02:20 AM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
The 2.0VGT's power problem really is the rear axle's 3.90 ratio. An SUV the size and weight of the H3/H5 typically has a 4.10 rear axle ratio. After driving the 5-speed manual, I could immediately feel the rear axle ratio was too high (too low numerically). If it had a 4.10 (or even 4.30) rear axle ratio, the performance would rise significantly to acceptable levels. The 3.90 is best suited for 2wd pickup trucks with smaller tires. The 3.90 ratio would be good for fuel economy, IF the 2.0VGT had more low-end power.

The 2.5TCi "does" have enough low-end power for the 3.90 ratio, but 1st gear (the 5-speed manual) is still too steep. Off road, you'll have to shift into low-range earlier than other SUVs or you'll be slipping the clutch to get started in 1st gear.

jvpe67 07-26-2011 05:48 AM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
Is Great Wall after sales aware of this situation ? They are offering the same engine/transmission for the H6 also. China Market feedback is not as demanding as overseas feedback, where H3/H5 is compared to segment leaders.

micodelija 07-26-2011 12:34 PM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jvpe67 (Post 60357)
Is Great Wall after sales aware of this situation ? They are offering the same engine/transmission for the H6 also. China Market feedback is not as demanding as overseas feedback, where H3/H5 is compared to segment leaders.

do you know how many suv gwm produce in 1 year??? there is always possibility that some of those cars are bad,check world re-calls today, almost every famous manufacture got to recall their cars and models because of some upgrade repair or something else, my father buy Volkswagen passat (1.9 tdi) and it was also complete fail, while my mother had bad experience with first generation of fiat punto, but after warranty repair car was fine, better then passat, i only hope not to much of them, i think the narry from shenzen have really big problems and he should be very demanding to the dealership about the warranty on car to solve his problem

user chinsecars...well he still didn't buy a car,so it's difficult to argue with somebody who don't have a car in their ownership

Chinesecars 07-26-2011 08:46 PM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
The new H6 SUV is smaller and lighter than the H3/H5. The 2.0VGT should perform better in that application. The H6 appears aimed at the smaller SUVs popular with women drivers (RAV4, Tiguan, Qashqi)

micodelija 08-01-2011 02:18 PM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...40/6216837.jpg
russians did a crash test of new hover h5 according to R94 homologation regulation, result is quite good, down on the link everybody can see a video, but already here from the photos we can see that passenger area is completely safe and there is no any cabin deformation, also what is good...door were able to open after impact

i am quite sure that after gwm h5 will be produced in europe, that it will be tested at euroncap test as well and finally to make better result then landwind in china SUV range

well done gwm

videos are here:

geralilio 08-02-2011 07:19 AM

Re: Great Wall Haval H5
 
How many stars did it get, micodelija?


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