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Old 10-13-2009, 03:48 AM   #41
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I also agree with earlier posts that acceptance in the Western World with Chinese automobiles is almost nil, with many websites posting negative stuff about the Chinese automotive industry. I used to be the same but I feel that many are "uneducated" in a way about Chinese cars. And don't forget, for those who live in Australia and New Zealand who post and contribute to this website, that both governments heavily import used Japanese cars of the same quality. I see it as many people making uneducated assumptions about the Chinese auto industry.

And the lack of info in English is a big factor as well.
Sorry mate but I have to disagree with you. I have been in China for the last 15 years and can tell you categorically that the home-grown market was full of abysmal cars, trucks and wagons !

However things are beginning to change and I've owned 3 Chinese made cars a Landwind (never, ever again, even with your money) and two Cherys (I would buy a Chery without hesitation, fitting quality is a bit lacking but mechanically robust and superb value for money. The ones I had were utilising Mitsubishi engines & transmissions).

However they are extremely innovative (usually by finding something they like, copying it and improving on it - ask GM) but now also in the area of 'green' cars for the future. They are great at making small innovative cars since that's what sells the most. Quality is improving in leaps & bounds though driven by the competition from foreign companies such as GM, Honda & Toyota.

There is also a huge market (because there are vast amounts of disposable income) for luxury imported cars which sell for unbelievable prices here. Usually anywhere from 50% to 100% above their home market price. Sooner or later these manufacturers will build their own factories here (they have already started) and that again will help on the road to quality improvement.
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Old 10-13-2009, 11:14 AM   #42
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Looks to me like you are doing a great job Martin - hope you get more support soon. If anyone needs photos of anything ask me - I'll try and get them for you but can't promise I can or that I'll be quick !
Thanks Shanghai Rohens and welcome to the CCF!
Feel free to post anything you find interesting. China is still a mystery for most foreigners.
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Old 10-16-2009, 08:38 PM   #43
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Actually, I am seeing some INCREASE here in the activity of the forum, and some great new members from the land "down under"!! It also helps that 2009 has been a VERY active year for new car introductions in the chinese market (or so it seems), and from the way it looks 2010 will be just as busy. Also, with several chinese car companies on the verge of breaking in to the "big 3" market areas (Europe/Japan/USA) in the next 1-2 years, AND the fact that China is a LEADER right now in developing new "green" technology for cars.............it gives us A LOT to talk about! Here's something to think about mods - how about a new sub-forum here just for news/comments about "green" cars/technology/innovations/etc. I know we comment about individual models in each of the manufacturer's sub forums, but I'm talking about a new forum area where we can centralize that and make comments on this rapidly growing area of the auto industry - REGARDLESS of manufacturer. Environmental infrastructure (green technology) is becoming one of the new "hot" areas for investment in America, and the impact on the world auto industry is significant, long term and far reaching. I think it's worthy of a new forum area here............what do you think mods?
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Old 10-18-2009, 05:55 AM   #44
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Old 11-28-2018, 12:14 PM   #45
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Yes, the thread's question remains, some nine years later.
This great and time-honored site is really in need of updating. The webmasters have requested some feedback from regular contributors, but nothing seems to change.
As the ole "jmsteiny" above suggests, a section dedicated to new energy vehicles(NEVs), and in keeping with the times, an intelligent connected vehicles (ICVs), would be a welcome update.
And a section dedicated to those wild-eyed start-ups would make an exciting and attractive draw of new posters.
Finally, without the current contribution of faithful veteran posters, who in China are known as "foreign experts", the site would fade into obscurity.
And so, a big thank you to them.
JMSteiny where are you? Come on back.
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Old 11-28-2018, 03:21 PM   #46
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Yes, the thread's question remains, some nine years later .... a section dedicated to new energy vehicles(NEVs), and in keeping with the times, an intelligent connected vehicles (ICVs), would be a welcome update.
There is already a section on Alternative Fuel Vehicles. How many sections does one need?

Years ago, when new energy vehicles were a blue-eyed wonder, and few and far between, separate sections might have made more sense. Nowadays, NEVs are also in many cases variants of ICE models, and having threads, in a different section, for such NEVs would lead to unnecessary duplication. Should we have one thread for the ICE Changan Eado, another for the Eado EV; one thread for the Soueast DX3, another for the DX3 EV; one thread for the ICE Geely Emgrand, another for the Emgrand EV and PHEV? Do we keep the Senova X25 in the main subforum and create another thread for the EX-Series in the NEV section? What about new NEVs from established car manufacturers: Create a separate hierarchy of subforums, mimicking the main forum, for BAIC, Changan, Chery, Dongfeng, GAC and so on, since they all have NEVs in their portfolio?

Yes, one realizes that electric vehicles have created a "new world order", a new paradigm, and most world governments' and public opinion is veering towards adoption of new energy vehicles; it is not an exaggeration to say that the future of the globe's economies hinges on how rapidly and efficiently electric and alternative modes of propulsion (not only for land transport but more importantly for shipping and aviation) are incorporated into commercial and personal aspects of peoples' lives, but as far as cars themselves are concerned, electricity is basically a different "fuel". Did we need separate sections for diesel, CNG/methane, LPG, ethanol?

"Intelligent connected vehicles" form a subset of the union of the sets of electric cars and high-end ICE/hybrid cars. These sensor-assisted semi-autonomous or "self-learning" attributes and other over-the-air communication capabilities are "features" of the cars. The cars would still be the same, albeit less expensive, even without this "intelligence".

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And a section dedicated to those wild-eyed start-ups would make an exciting and attractive draw of new posters.
Startups are gearing up to produce new energy vehicles, which are already being represented in the "Alternative Fuel Vehicles" section, unless you are referring to such startups providing other services like ride-hailing, car-sharing, or used-car buying and selling platforms, or other new companies set up to make batteries, motors, controllers, electronic components or chargers for NEVs.

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Finally, without the current contribution of faithful veteran posters, who in China are known as "foreign experts", the site would fade into obscurity.
In that case, one always has heaps of Chinese-language car websites to fall back on. Machine/web translation these days is pretty acceptable, and will only get better in the future!
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Old 11-29-2018, 12:23 PM   #47
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Thanks for your thoughtful response, DMitra.
I'm glad you are happy with the status quo.
But having been posting here for a while now, I can remember when, at an earlier time, updating of the site was an ongoing process, and freshness was the norm. In retrospect, I must also admit that the conversation was not quite as civilized as now, so that's a big plus.

[/QUOTE]There is already a section on Alternative Fuel Vehicles. How many sections does one need? [/QUOTE]

The majority of posts under this section are EV-related vehicles.
I don't think I have ever seen a post here about natural gas, ethanol, or LPG powered vehicles. And I can blame myself because I recommended the new section but was less than specific about what I had in mind.

[/QUOTE]....the globe's economies hinges on how rapidly and efficiently electric and alternative modes of propulsion (not only for land transport but more importantly for shipping and aviation) are incorporated into commercial and personal aspects of peoples' lives,...[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more, and we are currently witnessing how the related changes are shaking up those economies, even as I write this.

[/QUOTE].......,electricity is basically a different "fuel". .) [/QUOTE]

I don't see current flow as coequal with fuel flow.
And as we all know this carbon producing alternative "fossil fuel" has become a dirty word in the vernacular of "climate change" whistleblowers.

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Startups are gearing up to produce new energy vehicles, which are already being represented in the "Alternative Fuel Vehicles" section,.. [/QUOTE]

The startups I am referring to are the high end, heavily invested, automakers which aim to roll electric propulsion, internet connectivity, and autonomous operation into one vehicle, and which in so doing will set the new standard for all (electric) motor vehicles. But for now these pioneers are a small specialized group.....that in my view deserve their own section.

Bottom line is that I simply had fantasized about a good website becoming better, for all to see.

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Old 11-29-2018, 02:36 PM   #48
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OK, so via this post, I am requesting "CCF mod" (martinkrpan) to convince the site Administrators to create a new section, or at least rename the "Alternative Fuel Vehicles" title of the existing subforum to "New Energy Vehicles" or "Electricity-driven Vehicles". This is because "CCF mod" has been successful in effecting requested changes, through the Administrators, to the forum format in the past. I do not have access to the vBulletin tools that enable such changes; I believe only the Administrators can do that.

The forum did undergo some changes in the not-too-distant past where some manufacturing group subforums were rearranged, i.e. the foreign groups were arranged alphabetically, Jiangling was separated from Changan, and Wuling/Baojun separated from SAIC. (Oh, and while at it, see if Changhe can now be separated from Hafei).
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Old 11-29-2018, 04:44 PM   #49
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I also remember old times when I stumbled across CCF. Back then Chery QQ and Xiali where bestselling car name plates in China. GAC Auto didn't even exist, nor did Beijing, not to mention Wey and Lynk. There were many active users at the forum then, also several moderators. Suddenly, slowly but persistently, people started departing. I donít know why, but perhaps the main reason was user I_hate_China and his provocative posts.

At least , when almost all users left CCF, I was given moderator rights and later also access to vBulletin tools. Thus I was able to open forums for (almost) all important Chinese companies and also foreign brands.

Unfortunately one day I couldn't access vBulletin any more. I exchanged several emails with technical support urging them to send me new password, but nothing happened. Then all of a sudden I was again able to access vBulletin one day. I used the situation to arrange CCF a little bit (I opened forums dmitra is mentioning in previous post and alphabetically arranged foreign producers). But the fairy tale didn't last for long. I am not able to access vBulletin any more as my IP Address is awaiting authorisation. I again sent email requesting for assistance, but got no answer, so I gave up. So regarding renaming or creating (sub)forums Iím in same positions as you guys.

About low response. In my opinion (the same I wrote back in 2009 - gee how fast time flies ) the main problem is there are only few contributors at the forum. People come and check post but donít publish anything. I bet there are many people with knowledge about Chinese car industry who could share information with others and thus making forum more interesting. Also administrators could be more active. They could finally make some visual changes and maybe try to lure new visitors. Pity as for me this is far the best forum about Chinese car industry.

This is all from my side. I would also like to use this opportunity to ask admin to grant me access to vBulletin.

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Old 11-30-2018, 03:17 AM   #50
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I wonder if one of the reasons people started departing was CarNewsChina? That site was started around 2010 and readers found readymade articles with up-to-date information on most, if not all, China-market cars in comprehensible and witty English. Indeed, the level of engagement between site visitors (in the comments section below articles) on CNC was higher than what was on CCF at any concurrent time (as well as nonsensical, tangential or off-topic comments were absent or auto-moderated on CNC). I think it was also around that same time, or perhaps a little later, that another well-known English-language Chinese-car news site by Ash started folding (Erik, can you remember when you wrote the article on the Yema factory visit on CCT?), so I believe CNC got a real boost in readership thereafter.


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If the admins of this Verticalscope forum are not giving permission to "CCF mod", who had already been handling the forum pretty responsibly, to access the CP dashboard, I doubt they will allow me access to the CP as I am a "newbie*", relatively speaking. I guess we will have to make do with the current format of the forum as it is.

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