CHINA: SAIC starts building ex-Rover V6

ash · 12-18-2006, 05:20 PM

18 December 2006| Source: just-auto.com editorial team

Following an intensive programme of production engineering, localisation of component supply and commissioning of its brand new GBP15m Baoshan engine manufacturing plant near Shanghai, SAIC Motor has announced the start of production of the MG Rover-designed KV6 petrol engine which will power its Roewe brand products.

Puppetland · 12-19-2006, 12:26 PM

I hope they have got the HGF sorted out. And yes, it did happen to the KV6.

Come to think of it, MGR never seem that bothered about inflicting customers with engines that would often blow their head gaskets. They couldn't even be bothered to appear on a BBC television show that investigated the problem.

And people wonder why they went under?

MartinW · 12-19-2006, 05:13 PM

Point in me in the direction of any HGF on KV6 problems following the re-work of the KV6 for use in the 75/ZT. As far as I know this engine is far and away well below the industry average for HGF.

800 - agreed - numerous problems inflicted on customers by the BMW management! K series before 1994 never had HGF problems either, until BMW took-over and refused budget to develop a mid-size engine or properly increase the capacity of the K series.

Puppetland · 12-20-2006, 02:19 PM

I think you will find that BMW were very under impressed by Rover Groups first attempt at developing its own 6 cylinder engine - as were customers of the 825. The KV6 cannot hold a candle to any 6 cylinder BMW engine from the last decade, never mind the present ones.

The KV6 in the 75 is still susceptible to HGF. If you don't believe me ask around.

To suggest that BMW cannot develop engines correctly (or withhold sufficient budgets for development) is rather amusing given the superb engines that are currently available in their range. I am afraid it is Rover who gained the reputation for having unreliable engines, a reputation that the Phoenix management did nothing to address and contributed to the downfall of the company.

As I said, I hope SAIC produce a reliable V6.

Windy · 12-20-2006, 02:57 PM

Top 100 most reliable cars in the UK calculated from actual warantee claims: http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/to...28339010848601

In the top 100 I can see:

Rover 45,
Rover 25,
MG TF,
BMW Z3,
BMW 3 Series,
Rover 400,
Rover 75,
BMW X5,
BMW 5-series

in that order - proof that Rovers are more reliable than BMWs!

Can you please stop saying at every opertunity that Rovers are unreliable as it is not true!

cryptonx · 12-20-2006, 06:37 PM

Man I never ever saw a ROVER or MG in my whole life !!
Infact I never seen a British made car before here in Egypt !

Except for Jaguars ( S-types / X-types and one XKR ) and an outdated ( If I am allowed to say ) Roles Royce .

even Vauxhall is OPEL here ( Vectra / Astra & Corsa only tho ) .

are there any other british companies ?? ( except for mg rover and aston martin ? )

is the MINI british ? I know its part of BMW now , but I think its originaly british right ??

mg-zs · 12-21-2006, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cryptonx

even Vauxhall is OPEL here ( Vectra / Astra & Corsa only tho ) .

The have so many names.
They also use the name Holden.
They just don't know how to call there cars.

cryptonx · 12-21-2006, 08:15 AM

but diffrent names with diffrent factories

IE the Opel Vectra / Astra / Corsa here are 100% Made in GERMANY !!
they have a LOCAL CKD factory which makes the old shaped astra / corsa sedan , but they are using some brazilian engines .

what I am asking , is the Vauxhall astra for example , made in the UK ? or is it in Germany ??

The HOLDEN is vauxhall in Australia i think

mg-zs · 12-21-2006, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cryptonx

The HOLDEN is vauxhall in Australia i think

Thats correct.

Windy · 12-21-2006, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cryptonx

are there any other british companies ?? ( except for mg rover and aston martin ? )

is the MINI british ? I know its part of BMW now , but I think its originaly british right ??

Do you not have Land Rovers? Owned by Ford but a British brand and designed and built in Britain.

The original Mini was British, the new one is built in Britain but owned by BMW and was designed when it was owned by Rover.

Lotus is British.

Bentley is British but foreign owned.

You could say that the new Honda Civic is British as it was designed and is built here.

Toyota, Nissan and Ford all have factories and design centres here.

Then there are a lot of smaller companies - Morgan, Caterham, TVR, Maclaren...

12-18-2006, 05:20 PM	#1
ash CCF Mod Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 807	CHINA: SAIC starts building ex-Rover V6 18 December 2006\| Source: just-auto.com editorial team Following an intensive programme of production engineering, localisation of component supply and commissioning of its brand new GBP15m Baoshan engine manufacturing plant near Shanghai, SAIC Motor has announced the start of production of the MG Rover-designed KV6 petrol engine which will power its Roewe brand products. __________________ Tata Motors - India's Biggest Car Manufacturer

12-19-2006, 12:26 PM	#2
Puppetland Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 66	I hope they have got the HGF sorted out. And yes, it did happen to the KV6. Come to think of it, MGR never seem that bothered about inflicting customers with engines that would often blow their head gaskets. They couldn't even be bothered to appear on a BBC television show that investigated the problem. And people wonder why they went under? Last edited by Puppetland; 12-19-2006 at 12:32 PM.

12-19-2006, 05:13 PM	#3
MartinW Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chester, UK Posts: 83	Point in me in the direction of any HGF on KV6 problems following the re-work of the KV6 for use in the 75/ZT. As far as I know this engine is far and away well below the industry average for HGF. 800 - agreed - numerous problems inflicted on customers by the BMW management! K series before 1994 never had HGF problems either, until BMW took-over and refused budget to develop a mid-size engine or properly increase the capacity of the K series. __________________ MartinW MG ZT & MG BGT Rover 214 for the Missus - 8yrs old and no HGF yet And a CV including Minis, Austin , Rover 400s and 75

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12-20-2006, 02:19 PM	#4
Puppetland Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 66	I think you will find that BMW were very under impressed by Rover Groups first attempt at developing its own 6 cylinder engine - as were customers of the 825. The KV6 cannot hold a candle to any 6 cylinder BMW engine from the last decade, never mind the present ones. The KV6 in the 75 is still susceptible to HGF. If you don't believe me ask around. To suggest that BMW cannot develop engines correctly (or withhold sufficient budgets for development) is rather amusing given the superb engines that are currently available in their range. I am afraid it is Rover who gained the reputation for having unreliable engines, a reputation that the Phoenix management did nothing to address and contributed to the downfall of the company. As I said, I hope SAIC produce a reliable V6.

12-20-2006, 02:57 PM	#5
Windy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Devon, UK Posts: 469	Top 100 most reliable cars in the UK calculated from actual warantee claims: http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/to...28339010848601 In the top 100 I can see: Rover 45, Rover 25, MG TF, BMW Z3, BMW 3 Series, Rover 400, Rover 75, BMW X5, BMW 5-series in that order - proof that Rovers are more reliable than BMWs! Can you please stop saying at every opertunity that Rovers are unreliable as it is not true!

12-20-2006, 06:37 PM	#6
cryptonx Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cairo , Egypt Posts: 481	Man I never ever saw a ROVER or MG in my whole life !! Infact I never seen a British made car before here in Egypt ! Except for Jaguars ( S-types / X-types and one XKR ) and an outdated ( If I am allowed to say ) Roles Royce . even Vauxhall is OPEL here ( Vectra / Astra & Corsa only tho ) . are there any other british companies ?? ( except for mg rover and aston martin ? ) is the MINI british ? I know its part of BMW now , but I think its originaly british right ??

12-21-2006, 08:15 AM	#8
cryptonx Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cairo , Egypt Posts: 481	but diffrent names with diffrent factories IE the Opel Vectra / Astra / Corsa here are 100% Made in GERMANY !! they have a LOCAL CKD factory which makes the old shaped astra / corsa sedan , but they are using some brazilian engines . what I am asking , is the Vauxhall astra for example , made in the UK ? or is it in Germany ?? The HOLDEN is vauxhall in Australia i think

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