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Old 10-14-2007, 01:57 PM   #11
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So widely regarded as such that they outsold the MX5 there every single year year they were in production.
And those very customers went on to rate the MG TF at the BOTTOM of consumer satisfaction motoring surveys conducted in the UK.

The ergonomics of the MG TF interior were appalling and you sat ON the car rather than in it. It had atrocious reliability, and next to the build quality of the MX5, the MG TF felt ultra fragile. No wonder it is taking NAC so long to sort out the quality issues.

Oh and it has Metro door mirrors - that leak in water.

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Old 10-15-2007, 03:51 AM   #12
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I'm in UK right now and got to see many MG's first hand, including the TF's. I think I do see more TF's than Miata, but the numbers are close. I think the TF's look way better than the Miata. I don't doubt that the Miata's are better at ergonomics and reliability, that's what Japanese cars are famous for and I can also attest to that from personal experience of owning one.

I hope once TF comes to the US all of the short comings have been properly addressed, and backed by a strong and long warranty. That ought to alleviate any concerns.
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Old 10-17-2007, 02:37 PM   #13
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As a Brit I see the TF as a great car but a bit long in the tooth. However if I was in the US and if I was sold a TF with a completely new interior then I'd probably think it was very competitive with the MX5. It's about perception to some extent. If I lived in the US I'd still go for the TF because it's not an MX5 and because it's more unusual.

Puppetland is right that the TF isn't Japanese for reliability but that made no difference in the UK, where it was considered CONSIDERABLY cooler. That's why it outsold the MX5 year in and year out. Oh and let's be fair here nowadays all cars are reliable, there are just some more trouble free than others. It's not the 70's!
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Old 11-08-2007, 05:15 AM   #14
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Why would you want to downgrade to a MG?

In the UK, the MGF & MG TF were widely regarded as a distant second best to the Mazda MX5. The British built car also had appalling build quality as well as costly engine reliability issues.
You've asked a valid question which I don't have a answer for...
It seems that I will sacrifice performance and reliability in order to switch from Miata to the more exotic MG TF.
F that. Performance matters the most with me, I am no ricer.
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Old 11-08-2007, 01:05 PM   #15
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Looking at the best UK reliability survey site (based on actual warantee claims) it appears that Pupetland is correct:

http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/to...28339010848601

the Miata (MX5) is the 3rd most reliable car in the UK, the MG TF is down at position 46, just one place ahead of the BMW Z3 roadster

Actually it's reliability is quite good, well ahead of the Porche Boxter at 100, the Mazda MX6 at 97, Mazda MX3 at 81, Toyota Celica at 74 and as a benchmark the BMW 3 Series is at 75.

The MG TF is not just about raw acceleration, if thats what you want then it's probably not the car for you, how about a Lotus Elise?

The MG is supposed to be an affodable fun sports car with a bit of character, something you can enjoy driving.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:31 AM   #16
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Funny you mentioned Lotus Elise, and if I assumed correctly, you are from the UK.

The US version of this car is outfitted with a much more powerful, superior Toyota engine with a 6 speed Toyota Transmission.
If I am not mistaken, the European versions are still outfitted with the outdated Rover K-series piece-of-crap.

I am no fan for Toyota by any means, but when you compare the alternatives , Toyota is clearly the winner over here.

The Elise seems like a viable alternative except, if you've driven one before, then you must agree with me on the following:
1. It literally is a PAIN to get in and out of that car, did I say LITERALLY? I meant it!
2. This car eats tires. I had a neighbor who bought an Elise a while back, in approx. 8 months, he had changed 2 sets of tires.


Currently I drive the Miata in the summer time (it has summer tires installed) and a Jeep Grand Cherokee in Winters.

I agree a Lotus Elise is a fun car to have, but I won't get it if it is not feasible to drive in all summer long.
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:12 PM   #17
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We were given the option of the Toyota engine once it had been fitted for yourselves, but it weighs more, which rather goes against the design aims of the Elise, and needs to be taken to very high revs to get the extra power, at normal revs the Rover engine produced more and even for track use, a lot of people prefered it.

The Rover engine in the Lotus Elise was the same engine used in the MG TF although more recently the Elise has only had the lower power versions available.

8 months for two sets of tyres - just shows how much fun he was having on the race tracks!

As for driving it all summer long, you can use an MG TF all year long, just be careful where you park it:

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Old 11-10-2007, 05:30 AM   #18
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From Wikipedia, pardon me for not finding a more creditable source. This is mainly due to my laziness.

"111R

This Series 2 Elise model comes in European 111R version or a version sold in North America, called the Federal Elise. It is powered by the all-aluminium 189 hp (141 kW) Toyota engine with a Yamaha designed twin-cam head offering variable valve timing on both intake an exhaust valvetrain. The Toyota manufactured 1.8L DOHC engine, has a 6 speed manual Toyota gearbox and is acclaimed as the best version of the Elise to date, with tremendous performance numbers, with many tests resulting in 0–60 mph (0–100 km/h) in approximately 4.9 seconds or 4.7 seconds with the Sport Package. The engine management computer is a Lotus programmed unit. A radical cam timing shift at ~6,000 rpm makes the car feel like it has two different engines."

citied from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise

As described, the engine was designed as a high rev engine (think motorcycle engines, but a lot bigger and complexed), so logically speaking, people shouldn't worry or complain about it. It is simply fulfilling its design specifications.

Regarding to the tires, my Neighbor was only using his Elise to commute (to and back from work) He might be a spirited driver on the highway (motorway for you, hehe), but I don't recall his Elise has ever been driven in a track. Because if he did, I guarantee you he would have bragged about it already.


Generally speaking, after learning MGTF's limitations, I've given up the idea of trading-in my supercharged, 6 speed manual Miata for it when it becomes available in the US. However, I will keep an open mind for any future updates from MG.
Perhaps one day, the MG's new owners will come to their senses and put a 200+ bhp engine and a 6 speed tranny in the next gen. Or at least provide the possibility of installing a charger in the current K engine.


hey, someone still needs to talk me out of getting Solstice GXP in the near future, I might get it around Mid or late 2008. One of the reason is a Transformers Autobot, Jazz was a Solstice. (see Micheal Bay's Transformers, the movie)
I know British people didn't have much exposure to the Transformers cartoon in the 80s, but for me, it was a big part of my childhood. There is a child in me, you know how it is...
( http://www.pontiac.com/solstice/index.jsp )

cheers mate
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Old 11-10-2007, 05:47 AM   #19
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I've had my eyes on the "new" MG TF for a while now.. However, it is hard to find any technical data of it. So, I thought it might be a good idea to come here are probe y'all for some answers.



Q1: Is there any after-market vendor makes a super or turbo charger kit for the TF. I now drive a 6-speed 2,100lb Miata with almost 200bhp. And I really don't want any performance penalties when switching cars. Oh yeah, and call me old school, I just don't think a performance car should come with a 5-speed trany.

Q2: Is the dash going to be modernized to house a Double Din sound system? The current single Din slot just looks old and truly limits future upgrades (with GPS, DVD, etc).


Cheers.
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I think with a engine swap its deffo possible.
Not sure if there is a kit for it.
But if there is one it will cost you money.

Answer2)
Everything is possible.
You have to customise the dash your self.
There are people that have done it.
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Old 11-10-2007, 03:35 PM   #20
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As described, the engine was designed as a high rev engine (think motorcycle engines, but a lot bigger and complexed), so logically speaking, people shouldn't worry or complain about it. It is simply fulfilling its design specifications.
Yes, but do you really want to drive about with your engine doing 8000rpm just so you can get the power?

Much better to have power right through the rev range, and then there is the handling.

Here is a video taken from an MG ZS now renamed MG5 (see other thread), there is another blue MG ZS a couple of cars in front and eventually allong side. Note that the engine revs rarely get anyware near 8000rpm, (the limit is at 7000!) and as they pass the Lotuses, Porche 911 and Ferrari just remind yourself that these cars come with 176 bhp as standard and neither has a super or turbocharger.

MG5 chasing MG5 through the traffic.
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