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Old 04-14-2006, 09:51 PM   #1
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Smile New Crossover(V3) rides on Magnus chassis, banned in the US market

http://auto.163.com/06/0414/16/2EMB9D1D000816HJ.html
This chinese article confirms V3 indeed rides on Magnus(aka Son of Orient) chassis. Therefore banned in the US.

Welcome to USA, with your own chassis, damn it!

对于V3的定位是家用MPV,兼顾商用。

V3造型流畅,采用具有家族特色的中网设计,前大灯形似火焰。奇瑞的B平台,前悬挂为麦弗逊独立悬挂,后悬 挂为扭转梁式半独立悬挂,前后盘式刹车。虽然此种后悬的舒适性不如独立悬挂,但却带来了制造成本的下降。V 3可装备2.4L、2.0L汽油机或1.9L柴油机等,配合使用手自动一体变速器或五速手动变速 器。

在内饰上,奇瑞日渐成熟。V3的内饰颇为新潮,整体感觉较有档次,所有主要界面都集中在了中部,包括仪表盘 。据厂家表示,未来量产车可能会采用多种新的色彩元素,例如紫色与黄色等。车上装有有三排可任意组合的座椅 ,灵活多样。

先期投放市场的将是装有4G64发动机和手自一体变速器的

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Old 04-14-2006, 09:54 PM   #2
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BTW, I do like the interior, totally cool.

Only if Chery would spend $500 milion to come up with its own chassis instead of stealing another company's chassis....
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Old 04-14-2006, 10:59 PM   #3
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it's v325
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Old 04-14-2006, 11:27 PM   #4
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I hope this "V3 is just a Magnus Wagon and is subject to GM's seizure lawsuit upon US port arrival" fiasco teaches my Chinese friends just how hard and expensive it is to come up with an original chassis platform. Afterall, even a global giant like Toyota can afford to keep less than 10 chassis platforms.

At the same time, why is this thing so damn expensive at 150,000 yuan? That's almost $19,000. After paying for importation cost and Malcolm Bricklin and his dealer's 30% fee, you end up with a Chinese car that sells for $25,000+, totally uncompetitive.
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Old 04-14-2006, 11:50 PM   #5
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what kind of engine does this car use?
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Old 04-16-2006, 02:39 AM   #6
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I hope this "V3 is just a Magnus Wagon and is subject to GM's seizure lawsuit upon US port arrival" fiasco teaches my Chinese friends just how hard and expensive it is to come up with an original chassis platform. Afterall, even a global giant like Toyota can afford to keep less than 10 chassis platforms.

At the same time, why is this thing so damn expensive at 150,000 yuan? That's almost $19,000. After paying for importation cost and Malcolm Bricklin and his dealer's 30% fee, you end up with a Chinese car that sells for $25,000+, totally uncompetitive.

Dealers don't make 30% on each car sold. A Honda dealer will buy an Accord from the factory for $20,000 and sell it for $20,700 to make 3% profit at most. No dealer makes 30% profit on a car.
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Old 04-16-2006, 09:06 AM   #7
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Cheapest Honda Accord

Invoice : $16,412
MSRP : $18,225
Dealer Margin : $1,813(10%)

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No dealer makes 30% profit on a car.
Dealers normally make 10%. Malcolm Bricklin is promising 15% to sign up dealers. He too will take a 15% profit himself as the importer, so the distribution cost in the US is 30% + shipping and any import charges.

This jacks up Chery's price in the US and make it extremely difficult to compete. Afterall, you could buy a reasonably loaded Accord, Camry, or Sonata for Chery prices, and no one's paying Accord prices on a Chinese vehicle, whether it has leather seats or not.

Look, the US market is the most competitive market in the world where even US domestic brand's survival is not guranteed and just a handful of foreigners managed to prosper. Unless Chery comes up with an original(meaning it does not ride on Magnus or Toledo chassis) compelling product with JDPower Quality Score(100PP) of 120 or less at 20% less than Japanese prices, it cannot sell. Afterall, why should consumers even consider a Chery when there are 100 other better cars out there?
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Old 04-16-2006, 06:04 PM   #8
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Cheapest Honda Accord

Invoice : $16,412
MSRP : $18,225
Dealer Margin : $1,813(10%)


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Dealers don't make 10% on cars unless the demand for the car is much greater than the quantity like hybrids -toyota prius. For a honda accord if the invoice in 16,400 and msrp 18,200. No on is stupid enough to pay 18,200 for that car. They will buy the car for 17,000 or less, and dealer only make 2-3% profit not 10% profit. You don't know sh!t about buying cars.
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what kind of engine does this car use?
It'll be based on a Mitsubishi engine at the beginning of its production which will soon be replaced by Chery's own ACTECO engine.
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Old 04-16-2006, 06:48 PM   #10
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Dealers don't make 10% on cars unless the demand for the car is much greater than the quantity like hybrids -toyota prius. For a honda accord if the invoice in 16,400 and msrp 18,200. No on is stupid enough to pay 18,200 for that car. They will buy the car for 17,000 or less, and dealer only make 2-3% profit not 10% profit. You don't know sh!t about buying cars.
Well, MSRP of Chery A520 is going to be $19,000, meaning invoice is $16,150. I know for a fact that Malcolm Bricklin made a killing on all his past imports(Subaru and Yogo) so Malcolm's cut is 15%(He isn't going to give himself less than his dealers), which amounts to $2,850. Deduct waranty and importation cost, and Chery has to sell A520 to Malcolm for less than $10,000.

If Chery has a problem with this, then they can set up their own US distribution network as long as they haven't signed some kind of contract with Malcolm.
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