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Hi,what do you think of China?

If you have questions about China in any aspect please post here,as a chinese,I will reply your question as soon as possible~

dont forget tell me where U from~ ;)
 

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I'm Chinese, from Beijing, but haven't lived in China for many years.

What is it like politically in China these days? How do you feel about being the government censoring the Internet?

I'll understand if you don't want to, or can't answer...
 

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Actually, I go to China often, at least once a year. I was just in Shanghai last week.

I think the issue of internet censoring in China is overblown in the West. When I was in China, I purposely did a search of Tibet, Tiananmen, democracy and Falungong. Only the term Falungong was censored. Everything else, I found plenty of material on. I also had no problem getting into CNN.com.

I think that the Western media is guilty of consistently presenting an inaccurate and negative view of China.
 

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Actually, I go to China often, at least once a year. I was just in Shanghai last week.

I think the issue of internet censoring in China is overblown in the West. When I was in China, I purposely did a search of Tibet, Tiananmen, democracy and Falungong. Only the term Falungong was censored. Everything else, I found plenty of material on. I also had no problem getting into CNN.com.

I think that the Western media is guilty of consistently presenting an inaccurate and negative view of China.

Good post edge, I totally agree with you
 

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I think that China is a great county, huge amount of potential and very dedicated people will make it become the next great superpower. Pity the soviet union broke apart, I could imagine seeing as strong if not stronger than China in its current state if it would have still existed.
 

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i am an average people in shanghai china,i know some wester misunderstand china,but they aren't just unkind,if they have a chance to come to china themselves,they will change their mind fast.

so let' talk about some good things more...:)
 

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I totally agree, if soviet union did not break up into soooo many tiny nation and stayed 1 nation, it would defiantely be superpower
If the soviet union had followed the chinese model of capitalist economics and communist government it would have remained a superpower... instead they went with capitalist government and socialist economics. Now they are scrambling to catch up with the west economically.

Now I don't support communism in any form, but if it's limited to government and doesn't meddle economically, a country can still prosper (although human rights may not be up to par).
 

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If the soviet union had followed the chinese model of capitalist economics and communist government it would have remained a superpower... instead they went with capitalist government and socialist economics. Now they are scrambling to catch up with the west economically.

Now I don't support communism in any form, but if it's limited to government and doesn't meddle economically, a country can still prosper (although human rights may not be up to par).
That's true. But how can a government possibly be Communist and not meddle in economics when Communism is an economic theory first and foremost?

Anyways, I support a more Socialist form of government combined with a dynamic capitalist economy. Sounds contradictory, but I think it is the best way.
 

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That's true. But how can a government possibly be Communist and not meddle in economics when Communism is an economic theory first and foremost?

Anyways, I support a more Socialist form of government combined with a dynamic capitalist economy. Sounds contradictory, but I think it is the best way.
For china, yes. However, socialist is the last thing we need over here. The socialist party (the democrats) already tramples the constitution as it is. :nono:
 

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For china, yes. However, socialist is the last thing we need over here. The socialist party (the democrats) already tramples the constitution as it is. :nono:
Funny, I don't think the consitution has been trampled on so many times as when the Bush administration as been in power. IN addition, I don't think any administration in recent memory has been so incompetent either.
 

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Funny, I don't think the constitution has been trampled on so many times as when the Bush administration as been in power. IN addition, I don't think any administration in recent memory has been so incompetent either.
If your talking about the patriot act you'd better research it before you jump on the "it violates people's constitutional rights" bandwagon. There hasn't been a single court case that has found a single instance in which the patriot act violates someone's rights. To make it clear, terrorists illegally in the country have no rights, the patriot act has yet to violate the rights of a citizen. Accusation is one thing, proof is another. On the other hand, "liberal" gun control measures are clearly a violation of the second ammendment. (Look at what they are doing now in San Fransisco). If the liberals were sincere in their belief that Bush was violating people's constitutional rights they would be happy to relax their socialist gun control policies so people can "protect themselves" from Bush and his "neo-con" buddies. As it is, all this "Bush violated the constitution" rhetoric is just that: rhetoric and nothing more. As Mao said "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". Many democrats in this country ultimately want to take away the political power of the citizens of the United States completely and give it all to a socialist government, and their first step in that direction is eroding our right to have guns. The "blame Bush" bandwagon is just the democrat's lame attempt to get people to focus on something else besides their own agreegous behavior.
 

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Considering how many violent crimes and randomn acts of gun violence occurs against everyday civilians, don't you think that stricter gun controls are in order?

I mean, if you own a gun, I'm sure you're responsible. But there are plenty of irresponsible people out there with guns. I think compared to a lot of other countries, violent crimes in the US are, unfortunately, very often and randomn.

And I stick to my case that the Bush administration is BY FAR the most incompetent one in a long long time. Let's not even mention how the Katrina case was handled, but the Iraq war has seriously weakened America's comprehensive national strength, and it is far from over.
 

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Considering how many violent crimes and randomn acts of gun violence occurs against everyday civilians, don't you think that stricter gun controls are in order?

I mean, if you own a gun, I'm sure you're responsible. But there are plenty of irresponsible people out there with guns. I think compared to a lot of other countries, violent crimes in the US are, unfortunately, very often and randomn.

And I stick to my case that the Bush administration is BY FAR the most incompetent one in a long long time. Let's not even mention how the Katrina case was handled, but the Iraq war has seriously weakened America's comprehensive national strength, and it is far from over.
I disagree with you on the Iraq war, but agree totally with you on the handling of Katrina. That WAS a total disaster, in more ways than one. Don't get me wrong, I've never thought Bush was extremely compitent... I would probably rate him just a bit better than mediocre. However, I'm not going to jump on the "hate Bush" bandwagon.

As for you attitude on gun control it is in line with most people in other countries around the world, but it is thoroughly flawed. In fact, the mistaken idea that stronger gun control laws can curb crime has cause a huge rise in violent crime in both britain and australia in the recent years. The reality is, gun control laws are only followed by law abiding citizens, which means ultimately the criminals are the only people who end up armed. If you knew your neighbor had a shotgun under his bed would you rob him? What if the government took away your neighbor's shotgun? I'm sure you would feel a lot more comfortable robbing him if you were a criminal. The realitiy is that study after study has shown that gun control laws consistantly INCREASE violent crime. Conversely, study after study has also shown that decreased gun controls measure REDUCE violent crime. Although gun control may sound all warm and fuzzy to some people from an emotional standpoint, making laws based on emotions is dangerous and stupid. The reality is that gun control laws are responsible for thousands of people killed in this country and around the world. The people of the United States know it too, because the last time Democrats voted strongly for gun control (1998) they all got voted out in the mid-term elections. Now even though democrats would like to violate everyone's second ammendment rights, they have stopped trying (at least for a little while) because they know they can't win a single election if they try and push gun control down the throats of the American people.
 

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I disagree with you on the Iraq war, but agree totally with you on the handling of Katrina. That WAS a total disaster, in more ways than one. Don't get me wrong, I've never thought Bush was extremely compitent... I would probably rate him just a bit better than mediocre. However, I'm not going to jump on the "hate Bush" bandwagon.

As for you attitude on gun control it is in line with most people in other countries around the world, but it is thoroughly flawed. In fact, the mistaken idea that stronger gun control laws can curb crime has cause a huge rise in violent crime in both britain and australia in the recent years. The reality is, gun control laws are only followed by law abiding citizens, which means ultimately the criminals are the only people who end up armed. If you knew your neighbor had a shotgun under his bed would you rob him? What if the government took away your neighbor's shotgun? I'm sure you would feel a lot more comfortable robbing him if you were a criminal. The realitiy is that study after study has shown that gun control laws consistantly INCREASE violent crime. Conversely, study after study has also shown that decreased gun controls measure REDUCE violent crime. Although gun control may sound all warm and fuzzy to some people from an emotional standpoint, making laws based on emotions is dangerous and stupid. The reality is that gun control laws are responsible for thousands of people killed in this country and around the world. The people of the United States know it too, because the last time Democrats voted strongly for gun control (1998) they all got voted out in the mid-term elections. Now even though democrats would like to violate everyone's second ammendment rights, they have stopped trying (at least for a little while) because they know they can't win a single election if they try and push gun control down the throats of the American people.

Well, about the gun control laws. To be honest, I've never been thoroughly that interested in that topic, so I lack a great deal of background information on that one. So I'm going to have to do my own research before I can really formulate an opinion.

However, about Bush, I have to disagree that he's only mediocre. I think he's been very damaging to US interests, both material and immaterial. I also think his administration has been one of the most incompetent, corrupt and immoral in a long long time. It's no accident that even conservatives in this country are starting to turn on him.

About the Iraq war, that's an area I have a great deal of knowledge in because my IR Masters background was specializing in the Middle East. In fact, I have travelled to that region and had spent a couple years learning Arabic. Unfortunately, the Iraq war is only the culmination of many decades of severely flawed policies that the US has followed in the region, these policies have earned us a lot of hatred and animosity, and for very legitimate reasons. I was very against the Iraq war for both material and moral reasons. The US has lost tremendously and has gained nothing. The administration of the occupation has also been tainted with a great deal of corruption, especially those linked around Dick Cheney and Co.

Basically, the Iraq war earned the US greater animosity in the region, turned Iraq into a safe haven for terrorism where before it had no links to terrorism, has actually stopped the flow of oil from Iraq because pipelines are blown up when operational, has caused the loss of tens of thousands of Iraqi lives as well as 3,000 US lives, has caused the loss of innumerable billions of dollars, has landed the US in a quagmire it can't get out of victorious, and has allowed American strategic competitors to gain diplomatic influence and relative strength.

And it is far from over. The US will not come out of Iraq victorious, that is for certain. It is quite clear if one studies the history of the region and knows the culture and historical experiences of the people there. The US will leave Iraq one day, but it will not be on America's terms.
 

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If the soviet union had followed the chinese model of capitalist economics and communist government it would have remained a superpower... instead they went with capitalist government and socialist economics.
Actually this "chinese" kind of system WAS in USSR in 1921-1924. :) It called New Economic Policy or just NEP. And Lenin agree with it, although he was very ill at that period. These years was very good in Soviet Russia. But after Lenin's death in 1924 Stalin close NEP, because it was "capitalistic". You can find very interesting and funny stories of this period in writer Zochenko and very famous "12 chairs" (or "Ostap Bender") by Ilf and Petrov writers.

Here, in Russia we DON'T like our modern government at all! They are just thiefs! Our government and our people are VERY DIFFERENT. And here's very little democracy in Russia. Police=mafia.

By the way. The common (for many years) russian proverb says: There are only 3 problems in Russia - fools, thiefs and roads.

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Now they are scrambling to catch up with the west economically.
Sorry to say, but ANY country (inc. China) is catching up with the West. But actually its a deadway! Look - which industrial equipment are in developing countries? Yes, it's western. And for whom they produse goods and exports? Yes, for the West. The ONLY economical power of developing countries is just LOW PRICE of LABOUR! But with industrial development price of labour is rising...no competing in cost of labour force with the West = closing plants in developing countries=crisis as in Asia in 1997-1998 or even worse.
 

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Quite agree with what is said above. China seems to prosper, Russia seems to decay into simple resource supplier for chinese industry.
 

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Quite agree with what is said above. China seems to prosper, Russia seems to decay into simple resource supplier for chinese industry.
Privet, BuDDaH! :)
I agree. Our government develops oil and other mineral resources export instead of high-tech!
 

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Privet, BuDDaH! :)
I agree. Our government develops oil and other mineral resources export instead of high-tech!
Здорово! Земляк!

Well, it seems our government works for money that they secretly get from western, chinese and japanese governments. They do all to support foreign economies and suppress russion hi-tech competitive industries.:(
 

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Today China is becoming one of the most important markets. So it's not just products going to the West. China has a huge domestic market. That's one of the reasons why China will eventually be one of the great industrial powers.
 
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