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Johnny Blaze said:
"Don't beleive the hype"
Wiki is not that resource, to consider it's info as an axiom
it's a pitty but sometimes the content is blowing my mind...
Hi Johnny Blaze,

Wiki was not my only resource, if your actually interested you could look up the following electric motorcycles

zero motorcycles---> they run the LiFePO4 battery as well
brammo enertia ----> LiFePO4

It sounds like no matter what I say, you won't believe it. Just google up LiFePO4, and you would get plenty of information. A lot of EV builders like to use it as well.

And regarding the comments about e6 vs. Volt, there are two things you must keep in mind

1. Volt is a plug in hybrid, and e6 is pure electric

-Even when the volt is within the 40mile electric range, its still lugging around a very heavy engine and components that are required to run that engine.

2. Volt is planning to run the outdated LiIon battery, while the e6 is running the space age LiFePO2

-Not only is GM using an outdated battery, it is sourcing it from LG in Korea. GM just doesn't have the battery technology/facility to produce the Volt all in house.
-And keep in mind BYD is a battery company, and source to many electronic manufactures.

And for 40K, its steep for the normal people but tree huggers would pay that for a electric car that could be purchased off the shelf. It would get cheaper, just a matter of time. (Anyone still remember how much the first generation Ipod cost when it was launched in 2001??)

Keep in mind, at the moment China has the leading technology in terms of batteries. And BYD is China's leading battery manufacture.

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gr8 said:
.....Even when the volt is within the 40mile electric range, its still lugging around a very heavy engine and components that are required to run that engine.......
Hi GR8:
I really like your posts about the technology behind these models. You are clarifying what the manufacturers are being real vague about in their advertising. For example they often neglect to tell us that the short one hour charge time can only be done at special charge stations with some 400 volts available. And, that the 240 mile range is on a silky smooth, flat as a board, straight highway. I'm not only talking only BYD and GM here but in general.


When it comes to "lugging around a very heavy.."
take note that the BYD e6 weighs 5,000 pounds (2268kg) with 1764 pounds (800kg) of that in batteries. So it's no featherweight by any means.

As for the superiority of the battery chemistry, it seems there are lots of options under consideration within the auto industry, and so I think the jury is still out on that one.
 

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You can't compare the Chevy Volt with the BYD E6, the Chevy is so much nicer, with a hugely better interior, way more technology, and most important: better batteries.

Yes, several small manufacturers use LiFePO4, that's because they're cheap and available. You have to look at the top battery manufacturers of the world, I mean Panasonic or LG Chem, they all say Lithium-Ion is more stable, and longer lasting.

BYD's strong point is that they can build batteries for cheap, but I'm not expecting quality.

I guess the BYD E6 would be 20,000 dollars more expensive if it had state-of-art Panasonic batteries.
 

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Electric taxis hit roads in south China city

SHENZHEN, May 17 (Xinhua) -- Forty all-electric taxis, believed to be the first to go into service in China, were officially launched Monday in southern Guangdong Province's Shenzhen City.

Shenzhen was the first city to have officially put electric taxis in operation in China, said Hu Jianping, president of Shenzhen Bus Group (SBG) at the launch ceremony.

"The E6 cars' ET (environment technology) batteries give off zero emissions and cause no harm to the environment," said Wang Chuanfu, chief executive of BYD, manufacturer of the electric taxis.

The five-passenger E6, with a maximum speed of 140 km/h, consumed 21.5 KWH of power per 100 km and could run about 300 km on one charge, a record for a vehicle of its kind, Wang said.

The electric taxis are being operated by Pengcheng Electric Taxi Co., Ltd, a joint venture of BYD and SBG.

They were priced a little over 40,000 U.S. dollars each, Wang said.

BYD plans to have 100 E6 taxis on Shenzhen's roads by the end of June. The company expects to start selling E6 cars to the United States through its headquarters in Los Angeles later this year, he said.

Wang said BYD would try to roll out E6 in the European market in February 2011, but gave no details.

The electric taxis were an important measure to build a low-carbon urban transport system and Shenzhen planned to have more such taxis on its roads, said Vice Mayor Zhang Siping.

If all-electric taxis could be promoted across China, it would greatly improve the air quality in cities, said Huang Yonghe, an expert at the China Automobile Technology and Research Center.
Editor: Yang Lina

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-05/17/c_13299349.htm
 

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On November 4th, the Oriental Morning Post reported that BYD may delay the launch of e6s to private buyers because of shortcomings in the charging infrastructure now available. Pengcheng Taxi company is operating a small fleet, but they too are facing challenges in the area of recharging says China Business Update.

As for planned sales of e6s to fleet operators in California, late this year, again we hear of delays.

Yes, between its clash with authorities, sales slumps, and delays such as these, BYD is certainly having its share of problems lately.

On a more positive note, sales of the F3DM hybrid are up, with about 117 units reported sold in September.
 
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