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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Then again, Chinese really think QQ was engineered in China...
:lol:

someone is getting a little bit jealous here.

Copy me a fighterplane and I'll probably buy it. :lol:

 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Looks like a replica to everyone else.


You do realize that Lavi was developed with US congress's money and US technology assistance as a form of military aid in the early 80s, until the US changed its FMS policies and agreed to the direct sales of F-15s and F-16s instead?

Israeli had no legal rights to sell Lavi design to the Chinese and this transaction caused an uproar in the US, subsequently resulting the ban of Israeli participation in joint weapons development.


Lavi/J-10 is an 80's technology by the western standard and is pretty much obsolete. Nothing the US or its allies' AWAC + AMRAAM system can't take care of.

Anyhow, Lavi/J-10's airframe, radar, and avionics are of Israeli/US origin. Chinese only changed the engine to Russian ones as they couldn't source the US F-111 engine that Lavi was intended to have.
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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Looks like a replica to everyone else.
Don't try to speak for everybody, there are like more than six billions people out there. It looks identical or replica or whatever you name it to your kimchi raised brains doesn't mean the others ALL think the same, let along the truth.

Just look at the photos, anyone who is on his normal mind wouldn't call it a replica, not even the airframe.



CHINESE J10


EUROFIGHTER


F16


quoted from somewhere.....

Yes J10 is based on the israel Lavi, like F22 is based on its predecessor F14/F15/F16/F18 which based on F4/F5 which based on F111/F86 which based on GERMAN technology Focke-Wulf Ta 183 Heinkel He 162 which were also fathers to Soviet's jets like MiG-9, and later MiG-15/17 and just todate SU-27....blah blah blah

It is no secret that Israel secretly approached China with Lavi technology. China selectively purchased some of the Lavi's tech due to limited budget and manufacturing level. So, yes, the J10 is based on Lavi designs. China purchased it legally. Nothing wrong with that and you call that "COPY"? SO Hyundai COPIED from american car manufacteures when they released their first PONY? huh?



That said however, J-10 is not a simple copy of Lavi, it's not possible to design a fighter like that when it uses a bigger engine and has larger airframe.they are different in dimensions and also weaponry. I guess the chinese ws-10a and type 1473 is israeli technology too huh? look at the lavi and the j-10 pictures. the tail is different, the intake is different. The j-10 looks more like a Eurofighter Typhoon than a f-16 while Lavi, on the other hand, has almost exactely the same color as an improved F16.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/July2006/0706watch.asp

DOD seemed to offer a re-assessment of the capabilities of China’s F-10 fighter, which it previously had compared to the F-16 Block 30. (See “Washington Watch: Chinese Military Is Catching Up—Fast,” September 2005, p. 12.) In this latest version of the annual China report, the Pentagon said the F-10 is probably more comparable to the Eurofighter Typhoon and French Rafale, considered among the top three fighters in the world today, after the US F-22A. The Pentagon expects more than 1,200 F-10s will be built, and improved versions—the F-10A and “Super-10”—are in advanced development.

According to the Pentagon, the Chinese J-10 fighter is more comparable to the Eurofighter Typhoon and French Rafale. It is interesting that Chinese media reports said that the chinese J10s took Flankers to school that it was not even funny. Can anyone post some stats/characterisics that was released officially? It seems to me now that the Chinese J-10 is now the premier fighter in Asia? is it better than the korean f-15s/japanese planes? oh well, the chinese stealth fighter will rule all....maybe except the American Raptor and top secret Russian fighters.

Well hater, you may be someone knows well about automobiles, but I am sure there are plenty other things you don't know, therefore why don't you just shut up on this topic and eat your kimchi?
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
US funded 60% of Levi's development owned 60% of it, and they surely didn't approve Lavi sales to China.

Lavi transaction was illegal because it lacked the US approval. But doesn't matter, because Lavi is fairely obsolete anyway, especially in avionics department. Lavi pilots won't know what hit them when they actually go into a real battle.
Well, I guess you got pretty confused at the terms..."fund"

If you gave me 100 bucks, then the 100 bucks belong to me now, unless before you handed over the money you said something like "you can't give any of the 100 dollars to John, or I won't give the money to you."

I don't care what deal had been done or what restrictions had been made between Israel and the US for the Lavi plan, CHINA purchased those technology legally which, mind you, is not even close to what J-10 has to offer; but from CHINA's point of view, CHINA did not violate any of the international laws or stuffs. And it's obvious it was NOT because of CHINA that Lavi plan was aborted.

Lavi is obsolete? yes of course if compared to the F22 raptor it sure is obsolete now, I mean which plane is NOT obsolete? however, if there were an Lavi in service, it would be on par with the eurofighter or the french flying cheese rafael, at least more advanced than maybe 90% of the other fighter planes on earth, it would pawn the early version of F16 or other second generation jet fighters like F-5, MiG-23/27, Mirage F1, MiG-19/21, and are clearly on par with any of the existing 3rd generation fighers like F16C/D, F18D, or the Japanese version Lavi, F2, if not better. So is a J-10.

And beside, what you mean by obsolete? aero design? weaponary? computing? do you think the F16E/F is the same falcon as the F16A/B? don't you know that you can just upgrade your weapon control system?

J-10 is not on par with the F-22, like any other jet fighters on earth. Well it's more than obvious that China's next generation stealth fighter has achieved significant progress, otherwise the J-10 could not have been released.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
The sales is not legal since there is a non-transfer clause; Israel cannot transfer the tech to 3rd party with the US consent. Hence the sales was never legal, but the sum paid by China was large enough to risk a diplomatic dispute.


But from the US and EU's perspective Levi sales was illegal.
This is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard, and you just talked like you made those political decisions for Israel.


Real_I_Hate_China said:
Levi was supposed to be an F-16 substitute when the US could not offer it to Israel. But when the US changed its weapons sales policy and offered F-15 and F-16 to Israel, Levi became unnecessary.
Ask why Israeli were happy to drop Lavi for the real F-16.
I've said it before, if you don't know it well, don't make such groundless claims and eat your kimchi.

On 7th June 1981, eight F16s escorted by six F15s of the IAF stroke the Iraqi nuclear reactors and destroyed them.

Lavi project was canceled in 1987 when the falcons had already served in Israeli Airforce for almost a decade!

Lavi was intended to replace the F16s that IAF had, but the US, after getting aware of the potential harm Lavi would make to its huge F16 sales, forced the israelie government to abort the Lavi plan, not because F16 is on par with the Lavi. Same goes for the Japanese F2, only it survived because Japanese compromised and the F2 is beefed and also F2 is too expensive compared to a cheaper F16.


Real_I_Hate_China said:
Lack of BVR(Beyond Visual Range) combat capability.
Again you talked as if you knew it like the back of your hand. Chinese J-10 constently beat the shit outta flankers Su-27 which had sufficient BVR combat capability. and again, if you compare it to US' F22 raptor and call that obsolete, serve youself.


Real_I_Hate_China said:
Chinese weapon control system is 20~30 years behind the US system.
So what? even it's 40 years lagging behind US, before that the gap was FOREVER. CHINA is still catching up, be prepared to see the next generation to be closer to US standard.

Real_I_Hate_China said:
Lavi/J-10 might be sufficient enough for dogfights against Taiwanese airforce planes without the AWAC cover, but they just don't stand a chance against the BVR combat system provided by US AWACs(or compatible AWACs operated by US allies such as Japan and Korea). Basically, Chinese warplanes would be blown out of sky without their pilot ever seeing the enermy
Again, why should CHINA and the US be fighting each other in the first place? the world changes everyday, CHINA and the US were close allies during the great world war II, it's not that CHINA was infected by communism for like 30 years made the country an enemy of the US, not to mention that the current Chinese communist party is more capitalist than governments like France or Germany.

it's not just Chinese warplanes would be blown out of the sky like a turkey hunt, for the moment, any airforce on earth won't stand a chance to confront the mighty US airforce's raptor, fair enough, nothing to be particularly afraid of, it is the truth but at least unlike our Korean or Japanese neighbors who know nothing but purchasing downgraded US fighters, Chinese are doing some serious work trying to make their own indigenous jet fighters which in the long run will so benefit China's technology development.:lol:
 

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hater, seriously, quit posting in this thread please, you know jackhead about modern aviation warfares.

You just don't admit it. By googling won't help, you aint know nothing about jetplanes compared to what you really know about automobiles.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
I read that a Chinese newspaper ran an article about 10 Chinese misconception about the world. No. 11 should have been Tibet, which is seen as a peaceful pacifist country illegally occupied by Chinese communits who routinely commit unspeakable atrocities of a systematic genocide.

And no, Genghis Khan is not a Chinese conqueror of the world.
lol, in your wildest wet dream, maybe it is. :D

Real_I_Hate_China said:
It is you who fail to understand.

Dog fighting is so 60s. The fate of your brave J-10 pilot is determined by the weapons control operator onboard the AWAC who sees the J-10 350 km away on his console screen and he touches the screen to terminate the J-10. The termination command is transmitted to the nearest F-15 or F-16, which then fires its AMRAAM guided by the AWAC's powerful radar. The brave J-10 never knows what hit him before meeting his brave and patriotic death....
seriously, why don't you just eat your kimchi instead of pulling shit outta yer head?

You are so fond of a plane2plane and gun2gun comparison and you think that is what war about? lol!

AWAC and F15? what is the range of the AIM-120? 75Km, man, only 75KM and even the latest version of AIM merely surpass 100 KM.....

I don't know what you are talking about 350 KM and all, if all you can reach is 75KM it doesn't make much of a difference whether yer precious AWAC can see is 10,00KM or 100KM, 75 KM means you r gonna be flying in Chinese airspace and be prepared for China's SAMs and other AAMs fired from ground based radar, if not China's AWAC, guided fighter planes.

And no we are not talking about a Chinese invasion like China invaded South Kimchiland which we don't give a shit about, and if China is going to have a little conflict with Taiwan, you won't be facing a lot air resistance considering we will be determined to take out every airport on the island of taiwan before launching the operation; If US were to interfere, they don't have any F-15s or F-16s on their carriers.

If you are talking about US military base in South Kimchiland, then be prepared to welcome a complete destruction of your country by the North Kimchiland since an overall war breaks out and yer northern brothers are hungry for GIs and their souther puppies. Your captial city will be wiped out in less than 30 minutes since it lies in range of NK's long range 152mm artillery and other stuffs, if lucky enough you probably would taste another nuclear bomb which is a present of your proud brothers, and with love.

Yeah I know I am talking nonsense, but hey, I am not the only one.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
You need time to analyze data, confirm it is the enermy, and prepare for the weapons launch. That 200 km detection gap between the AWAC and Chinese J-10 buys enough time to launch the missile before the J-10 pilot sees anything on his radar screen.
Mind you what, CHINA has its own AWAC which does exactly the same job as that of the US. :D J10 won't be fighting alone.


Real_I_Hate_China said:
Well, it is the Chinese communist who is the aggressor, always invading other people's land like Vietnam, Tibet, Manchuria, and Mongolia.
lol

How those kimchi eaters are envious and then pulled those craps outta yer narrow-minded head. If you'd go that far and claim CHINA is the big evil aggressor, I'd say your Korean ancesters from Silla just raped Paekche and collabrated with Tang CHINA and tricked Koguryo into death and stolen their lands. :cool:

This is a map of Republic of CHINA, the non-communist CHINA



and this is what did it look like some 200 years ago i guess, your taegukgi

http://japanese.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2004/01/26/20040126000072.html





Real_I_Hate_China said:
Well, AWACs do take off from and land on aircraft carriers.
So what? without fighter escorts or attacking formation? what do you expect from that twin pistol engined E2C AWAC when there is no fighter/attacker planes? lol

you just made my day.
 

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cryptonx said:
I think this discussion , this whole topic and the posts should be either removed. ... or moved to off- topic

both of you are going in circles ... you are not arguing ,

this is out of the subject , out of the forum and belongs to the offtopic ,if you both would like to continue arguing , please use private messages or e-mail.

no one here does really care if Genghis Khan is even an alien
and no one really cares if a J10 can drop a nuclear bomb ..

so chill out , talk cars or shutup .
both of you .

Admin should've removed useless flame-bait topics to off-topic posts or remove them at all .

Tiggo , like you said before , arguing with him is useless , so stop doing it , ignore him and do yourself and us a favour .

Thanks !!
Suggestions taken

I didn't see those lines until now, sorry about that mec, I won't be conducting any other abnormal behaviors unless that guy stirs some shit and talks crap about China again. I am serious.
 
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