.Real_I_Hate_China said:Looks like a replica to everyone else.
You do realize that Lavi was developed with US congress's money and US technology assistance as a form of military aid in the early 80s, until the US changed its FMS policies and agreed to the direct sales of F-15s and F-16s instead?
Israeli had no legal rights to sell Lavi design to the Chinese and this transaction caused an uproar in the US, subsequently resulting the ban of Israeli participation in joint weapons development.
Lavi/J-10 is an 80's technology by the western standard and is pretty much obsolete. Nothing the US or its allies' AWAC + AMRAAM system can't take care of.
Anyhow, Lavi/J-10's airframe, radar, and avionics are of Israeli/US origin. Chinese only changed the engine to Russian ones as they couldn't source the US F-111 engine that Lavi was intended to have.
Don't try to speak for everybody, there are like more than six billions people out there. It looks identical or replica or whatever you name it to your kimchi raised brains doesn't mean the others ALL think the same, let along the truth.Real_I_Hate_China said:Looks like a replica to everyone else.
Well, I guess you got pretty confused at the terms..."fund"Real_I_Hate_China said:US funded 60% of Levi's development owned 60% of it, and they surely didn't approve Lavi sales to China.
Lavi transaction was illegal because it lacked the US approval. But doesn't matter, because Lavi is fairely obsolete anyway, especially in avionics department. Lavi pilots won't know what hit them when they actually go into a real battle.
This is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard, and you just talked like you made those political decisions for Israel.Real_I_Hate_China said:The sales is not legal since there is a non-transfer clause; Israel cannot transfer the tech to 3rd party with the US consent. Hence the sales was never legal, but the sum paid by China was large enough to risk a diplomatic dispute.
But from the US and EU's perspective Levi sales was illegal.
I've said it before, if you don't know it well, don't make such groundless claims and eat your kimchi.Real_I_Hate_China said:Levi was supposed to be an F-16 substitute when the US could not offer it to Israel. But when the US changed its weapons sales policy and offered F-15 and F-16 to Israel, Levi became unnecessary.
Ask why Israeli were happy to drop Lavi for the real F-16.
Again you talked as if you knew it like the back of your hand. Chinese J-10 constently beat the shit outta flankers Su-27 which had sufficient BVR combat capability. and again, if you compare it to US' F22 raptor and call that obsolete, serve youself.Real_I_Hate_China said:Lack of BVR(Beyond Visual Range) combat capability.
So what? even it's 40 years lagging behind US, before that the gap was FOREVER. CHINA is still catching up, be prepared to see the next generation to be closer to US standard.Real_I_Hate_China said:Chinese weapon control system is 20~30 years behind the US system.
Again, why should CHINA and the US be fighting each other in the first place? the world changes everyday, CHINA and the US were close allies during the great world war II, it's not that CHINA was infected by communism for like 30 years made the country an enemy of the US, not to mention that the current Chinese communist party is more capitalist than governments like France or Germany.Real_I_Hate_China said:Lavi/J-10 might be sufficient enough for dogfights against Taiwanese airforce planes without the AWAC cover, but they just don't stand a chance against the BVR combat system provided by US AWACs(or compatible AWACs operated by US allies such as Japan and Korea). Basically, Chinese warplanes would be blown out of sky without their pilot ever seeing the enermy
lol, in your wildest wet dream, maybe it is.Real_I_Hate_China said:I read that a Chinese newspaper ran an article about 10 Chinese misconception about the world. No. 11 should have been Tibet, which is seen as a peaceful pacifist country illegally occupied by Chinese communits who routinely commit unspeakable atrocities of a systematic genocide.
And no, Genghis Khan is not a Chinese conqueror of the world.
seriously, why don't you just eat your kimchi instead of pulling shit outta yer head?Real_I_Hate_China said:It is you who fail to understand.
Dog fighting is so 60s. The fate of your brave J-10 pilot is determined by the weapons control operator onboard the AWAC who sees the J-10 350 km away on his console screen and he touches the screen to terminate the J-10. The termination command is transmitted to the nearest F-15 or F-16, which then fires its AMRAAM guided by the AWAC's powerful radar. The brave J-10 never knows what hit him before meeting his brave and patriotic death....
Mind you what, CHINA has its own AWAC which does exactly the same job as that of the US. J10 won't be fighting alone.Real_I_Hate_China said:You need time to analyze data, confirm it is the enermy, and prepare for the weapons launch. That 200 km detection gap between the AWAC and Chinese J-10 buys enough time to launch the missile before the J-10 pilot sees anything on his radar screen.
lolReal_I_Hate_China said:Well, it is the Chinese communist who is the aggressor, always invading other people's land like Vietnam, Tibet, Manchuria, and Mongolia.
So what? without fighter escorts or attacking formation? what do you expect from that twin pistol engined E2C AWAC when there is no fighter/attacker planes? lolReal_I_Hate_China said:Well, AWACs do take off from and land on aircraft carriers.
Suggestions takencryptonx said:I think this discussion , this whole topic and the posts should be either removed. ... or moved to off- topic
both of you are going in circles ... you are not arguing ,
this is out of the subject , out of the forum and belongs to the offtopic ,if you both would like to continue arguing , please use private messages or e-mail.
no one here does really care if Genghis Khan is even an alien
and no one really cares if a J10 can drop a nuclear bomb ..
so chill out , talk cars or shutup .
both of you .
Admin should've removed useless flame-bait topics to off-topic posts or remove them at all .
Tiggo , like you said before , arguing with him is useless , so stop doing it , ignore him and do yourself and us a favour .