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Hello ccf, torque here with a question.

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Does anybody know whether there are any Chinese (or Indian, Thai, Vietnamese, Egypt or wherever) low cost producers of fuel injection for gasoline applications yet?

From my experience, the chinese automakers including the low cost players like Chery, Geely etc have been using the products of international players e.g. Delphi, Bosch, Magnetti Marelli etc, albeit with many parts produced by those companies in China.

The background is that I am in a new job looking at a new way of delivering fuel to the engine with significantly lower cost than existing systems because my new company's method is different. However, a potential threat will be when (and I am sure it is when not if) domestic players crack productio of these systems and deliver them at a made in China (or Indian or etc.) price.

I am particularly interested at the motorcycle level. Are any Chinese motorcycles using fuel injection yet?


Thanks guys,

FT
 

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You are going to find that 95% of all ELECTRONIC fuel injection is almost always from a third party supplier (like BOSCHE) no matter who the manufacturer of the vehicle is.

If electronic, you are also looking at a control module, sensors, etc.

It is NOT something you can just make in your garage. It is not a low-budget endeavor. It may seem that the expense of buying from a mainstream supplier is prohibitive, and the up-front costs are. However, trying to do it yourself, in the long run, is just as expensive and causes many more headaches.
 

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Sorry, I think you may have misunderstood me - I know that. I have worked in the auto components industry for over 10 years, I understand the landscape.

What I want to know is whether there are any Chinese companies who are producing fuel injection to try to compete with the likes of Bosch, Delphi, Siemens etc. in the local market. I know it would be difficult for them for various reasons - not easy to manufacture some of the components, complex application engineering work, difficulty in gaining the trust of the automotive OEMs, even the Chinese domestic ones. But I am sure there are those that would like to try to do it. Anyway, the debate is not about why they couldn't do it successfully, I just want to know if they are or not.

I don't want to buy a system. I am working for a company which is in development of an alternative means of delivering fuel to the engine, targetted at the small engine and motorcycle market, where cost has meant that up until now most engines are still carburetted.

I want to check whether any chinese companies have so far started to market their own systems based on the conventional technology. By it's nature, our system has a significant cost advantage over a traditional system, but if a Chinese company with low costs, low overheads (copy instead of R&D) and low margin expectatios were to offer a conventional technology system it could also be a threat. I have heard some rumour that Chinese company(ies) may have offered small engine manufacturers a complete system for 100USD but can't find out who.

I am not talking about building something in my garage for my own car.
 

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in china they are selling new cars for 2000 usd not only the fuel injection system but the hole car new 2007
yes only 2000 to 4000 usd
its real believe me .
an israeli company is developing fuel injection in china and its much better than bosh or any other manufacturer until today
the israeli fuel injection is totally a micro computer wich mean much less fuel for more km or miles .but its bringing also more power to the car.
bmw and mercedes,and gm are interested in this product
they all want to buy the company .its patented
 

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mate, I would be interested to know more. unfortunately the links at the bottom of your page have been blocked by my system for 'suspected pornographic content'.

any further info?
 
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