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All bow to the new technological masters!!!
The american press today expressed shock and dismay at the chinese developement of a missile system able to pluck satellites out of the sky at will. It was demonstrated today by shooting an aged and obsolete weather satellite out of the air.
I applaud and congrat the chinese on this great step forward. Without satellites, the americans vast aray of weaponry is unable to function.
I hope that china will share this ability with Iran and pakistan so that a 'balance of power' can accomplish peace.
The yanks were far too cocky for too long. And they are certainly not peace-keepers.
On behalf of all peacefull citizens of this planet, i thank the chinese military for the great leap forward and hope that peace is in the stars...or the star shooter.
 

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In the past year, China has begun to unveil the fruits of its 15 year old military modernization drive. From the reveiling of nuclear subs to the J-10, China has been uncharacteristically confident that many even more advanced projects are under way. I think this recent test will only be one more step in demonstrating China's growing technological sophistication.

All of this proves the complete idiocy of Bush and his neocons. While they play political masturbation games in the thick bog of Iraq, China is rapidly moving forward in all fields, political, technological, economic. The difference between Chinese and American strategists are vast and I think it is due to their different historic perspectives. American strategists, particularly the politicians think in terms of 4 year cycles, at most a decade. Chinese strategists think 50 to 100 years ahead. This is because China is the world's oldest continuing country, it has 5000 years of history to look back on. It thinks in terms of centuries.

Deng Xiaoping said that China needs at least 100 years of stability and economic development to reach its potential. It's been 28 years since he opened up China, its potential is beginning to show, but it is still far from the maximum. I think the world will look very different in 20-30 years from now.
 

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I dont know about Iran, but China will probably share much of its most advanced technology with Pakistan. As China considers Pakistan its closest and most trustworthy ally, and I understand, the feelings are reciprocal as well.

Essentially, Bush has completely destroyed all US credibility and his arrogant demeanor and violent tactics have completely alienated the world. China can easily take advantage of anti-US sentiment to spread its soft power rapidly, especially since China deals with developing countries in terms of mutual respect and from a position of humility. The US is a young and arrogant country, it needs to learn a bit from Chinese wisdom.
 

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The US is a young and arrogant country, it needs to learn a bit from Chinese wisdom.
Many people seem to see China as some kind of handsome dashing prince on a white horse to counter the ever evil America. you may remember during the socialist revolution in Asia from the 50's to the 90's that China propped up some of the nastiest regimes in Asia, namely the Khmer Rouge, North Korea and to a lesser degree Ho Chi Minh (before Ho Chi Minh turned his back on the Chinese brand of communism and went for the Russian brand instead.) Least we forget the Chinese habit of propping up some rather unsavory regimes. Im not saying that either Britain or America are innocent of propping up 'friendly' regimes, but they have never ever gone to the extremes that China's puppets have gone to, i.e. mass deportations, mass executions, mass starvation etc.

I love China, for all of its mistakes, faults and 'only in China' attributes but would I want to see the Chinese navy patrolling the English channel or the Mediterranean? Not really. A lot would have to change within Chinese society for China to become a 'trusted' superpower. Although a good majority of Americans and British are blindly patriotic and can only see the good in their countries, the number of Chinese that are blatantly nationalist is alarming, and what they say is even more alarming.

As for Chinese wisdom? I'm not so sure about this anymore. I think the cultural revolution has taken a lot of 'wisdom' away from the Chinese and bred them into flag waving nationalists. Surely if they were so wise the Chinese would have learned from the industrial revolutions in European countries and the effects they had on their respective environments, perhaps the Chinese government could have had a 'managed development' instead of break neck speed development that hasn't quite ruined the environment but has had a deep and great impact on the natural surroundings.

True, at some points in history China did pursue 'peaceful harmony' with is surrounding neighbors but then at the same time it had a big wall and called everyone on the other side of the wall barbarians.
 

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I have to disagree, there are several assertions you made which are blatantly false.

1. Many Americans see China as a threat, and as a backward country, not as a dashing prince. Many people in the developing world see China as a dashing prince, because they've been oppressed by the West for so long.

2. China does not lack moral authority any more than the US and Britain. The West has supported far more corrupt and duplicitous regimes than China has. Let's not even talk about direct genocide from the Native Americans, to the Aborigines, to African Slave trade. In modern history, the colonial history of the West is so wretched that nothing China does can ever match that. Even today, the West supports a huge slew of dictators and oppressive regimes that parade around as "democracies" from Latin America to Africa.

3. I agree that China needs to work more for democratic reform. This takes time, and I believe it will accelerate after China has achieved higher levels of economic development. I think particularly in the period 2015-2020, you will see major political changes in China. However, this democratic reform will be on China's timetable and for China's benefit. It will not be because the West demands it, and frankly, the West doesn't know what's best for China, Chinese do.

4. As of now, China does not have to be a democracy to win hearts and minds in the developing world. It is already doing that. The US and Britain are democracies, this has not stopped their imperialist aggression throughout the whole of the entire developing world. This aggression which has spanned two centuries is the source of so much anger and hatred, especially combined with the typically condescending and arrogant attitudes that the Western powers have over developing nations. China does not have that kind of attitude, as China is also emerging from the same kind of impoverished situation as these nations. When China talks to other developing nation, it is in terms of comradeship and humility, this is why China has won so many friends. I think the US can learn from this department, instead of simply talking down and demanding.

5. Yes, the Cultural Revolution were disasters. Mao really went crazy in his last years. But the technocrats that run China today are a world removed from that time. They are professional, well educated, competent and have a far-sighted vision of the world. They are pushing China in the right direction.
 

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Bush's america is more of a threat to humanity than any other dictatorship. The yanks have just 'commanded' canada to accept 20,000 refugees from iraq and to prepare for more.
The neo-cons financed the election of a minority conservative gov't in canada so as to rape our oil reserves and dictate internal policies.
Canadians now see the widespread corruption associated with the neo-cons in canada and the usa. I hope the next gov't will make economic ties with asian and euro companies and abandon the american way of hypocracy.
 

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You have to remember, most Americans are stupid. They either think of China as this ancient and mystical place or they remember Tiananmen square and thats all they know. Im 17, and throughout my entire life of school and years of history, not ONE single textbook has talked about China after 1989. Not one has mentioned the growing freedom and prosperity there. They have only focused on Mao and then on Tiananmen. These are new books too. But really, as you said, the western world got a away with unspeakable crimes and to hold countries that are trying to develop and catch up to modern western standards is arrogant. China is just flexing its muscle and telling the US that we dont own space because everyone knows the US is building space weapons of its own. Tell me, why can the US test nukes, build space weapons etc...and yet China can't cuz it's "a threat." The only true threat in this world is the USA. We have the stupid "Do as I say, but not as I do" mentality that will destory us. We used to be an intelligent, moral country that stood up for what was right, now we've become one of the most hypocritical nations on earth.
 

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I dont know about Iran, but China will probably share much of its most advanced technology with Pakistan. As China considers Pakistan its closest and most trustworthy ally, and I understand, the feelings are reciprocal as well.

Essentially, Bush has completely destroyed all US credibility and his arrogant demeanor and violent tactics have completely alienated the world. China can easily take advantage of anti-US sentiment to spread its soft power rapidly, especially since China deals with developing countries in terms of mutual respect and from a position of humility. The US is a young and arrogant country, it needs to learn a bit from Chinese wisdom.
they are actually quite close with russia also..
 

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I am proud to say here that I am an American.

The United States is by no means perfect. We have our flaws like everyone else, but we have a great heritage and a great people to boast about.

Rise of the Revolution, I do hope that in the future you will have the opportunity to travel, so that you may compare your country with others. I think you will come to appreciate all the things that we as Americans, take for granted every day. Particularly freedom.

It seems that we are living in an age when it's fashionable to bash the U.S. both from within and without. That worries me for the sake of my kids.

Having said this, I must also say that I think China and its people are also great, and it's my hope that these two superpowers will strive to better understand each other, and to live and prosper together in peace.

End of discussion??

No indeed... let's keep on sharing our ideas, our impressions, our feelings....
Thank God for the internet forum.
 

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Dragin,

I agree with what you said.

A lot of people around the world do not have a problem with America, they have a problem with American policies and attitudes.

Being Chinese American, I hope China and the US can get along otherwise my life would be very difficult.

I agree that the US is a great nation. It is a land of great opportunities and very advanced democratic traditions. America is a great country that has a system which can continually renew itself and adapt to a changing world, as well as absorbing all kinds of people and making them American. This has been its strengths.

It's weaknesses also come with its strength. Being the world's most powerful nation for so long, the US has become drunk with power and now acts with incredible arrogance and political hubris on the global stage. Bush has only further accented that hypocritical attitude.

China is also a great nation, it is the world's oldest continual civilization with a hardworking and persevering culture. Although it is coming from a very different stage in its history, like Americans, Chinese are practical and entrepreneurial and this is making China the new land of opportunity.

In this century, China and the US will be the two most important nations. How they get along will determine what kind of world we live in. I hope that both countries can stay practical and deal with each other in a context of mutual understanding and respect. However, the US must understand it cannot deal with China with the same arrogant and hypocritical attitude it deals with many other developing nations. China is a proud country and that kind of attitude will surely backfire.
 

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Shooting a tiny object some hundreds miles above in the space. What a technology. I didn't find technical introductions of how it works. How does it locate a satellite? Does it calculate the orbit and keep track of it? What defense systems could be evolved to counter this sort of attack?
 

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....In this century, China and the US will be the two most important nations. How they get along will determine what kind of world we live in.......
Hey Edge thanks for your thoughts. I think if we were to sit down and have a beer, we would be surprised at how much we agree on.

When I was in my 20s, I was much more critical of my homeland. Even now, I am not exactly one of the "my country, right or wrong" school, but I think I have gotten a better perspective from traveling and living abroad, and it's made me more grateful to be an American.

And so I'll just go on freely voting, and writing, emailing, and calling my Congressional representatives, the newspapers and other media.
 

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Dragin, thanks for your insight. I agree with you that the US is a great country and has a great system. There is no doubt that as a Chinese American, I appreciate the democracy and opportunities here. When I am with Chinese, I often point out the good of American liberal democracy because I think it would be good for China to have the same things. However, things take time, America didn't become a democracy over night. Just 40 years ago, Blacks were still treated as second class citizens. It will take time for China too, they are going through a massive transformation, I think in the end, China will also develop a democracy.

But again, no one doubts that the US has a great system and its democracy is admired all over the world. THE PROBLEM is US foreign policy and its attitudes towards other countries. If the US is constantly invading and bombing other countries at will, and bullying other nations into submission, it is going to be resented and hated. It's not a surprise, this is human nature.

I think Americans should be more sensitive as to where other countries are coming from, god knows that the media in the US doesn't help at all with that.
 

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Shooting a tiny object some hundreds miles above in the space. What a technology. I didn't find technical introductions of how it works. How does it locate a satellite? Does it calculate the orbit and keep track of it? What defense systems could be evolved to counter this sort of attack?
To get back to the ORIGINAL TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, the anti-satellite missile is believed to have been guided by ground radar. The old weather satellite used as a target was in a much lower altitude than more strategically important GPS and surveillance satellites, and as such was both easier to hit, and easier to destroy. To hit anything of value, an anti-satellite missile couldn't use ground-based radar, and would have to carry its own guidance system, and that's probably a decade or more away.

This technology is still in the "Pong" stage and not much of a threat to anyone at this point, but no doubt it represents a big leap forward.
 
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