As soon as people see Chery enter the US market, they will get tons of foreign investment, ..
Real_I_Hate_China said:
Convince me why I should buy a Chinese car.
I could buy a Toyota Yaris with first-class engineering, quality, and mileage for $10,950.
So why should I choose a Geely CK over a Toyota Yaris?
If Chinese automakers cannot answer this question, then they shouldn't even bother knocking the doors of US market. Chinese market is big enough for them, stay home.
So why should I choose a Geely CK over a Toyota Yaris?
If Chinese automakers cannot answer this question, then they shouldn't even bother knocking the doors of US market. Chinese market is big enough for them, stay home.
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I think they said that about Yugo too...pokershark said:As soon as people see Chery enter the US market, they will get tons of foreign investment, ..
Im wondering how you came to conclude that Chinese are unpatriotic... What historical event are you refering to?Real_I_Hate_China said:You overestimate them. Shouting "China Power" at some sporting event is one thing; actually driving a Chinese car everyday is another. Beside, Chinese are historically known for being unpatriotic.
??? Koreans don't buy Korean cars outside of Korea, it is all BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus for them. Ditto for overseas Chinese.
But would you still buy a Chery when you can buy a comparable Toyota(sans leather seats) for less???
I don't know why you are asking people to convince you to buy a Chinese car. You seem to be doing the opposite already so you should probably have the answer yourself.
If the cars are complete crap, noone would want to buy them. It would be hard to justify the purchase even for hardcore patriotic overseas Chinese. On the flip side, if the cars have decent quality at the right price and warrenty, I don't see why it wouldn't sell. Just because Toyota has a similar priced car and a respectable track record, it doesn't mean people won't go out and look at what their competitor has to offer.
Im not saying that the Chinese cars will definitely succeed. But if they play their cards right, they will eventually make it because there seems to be a growing interest in Chinese cars. I believe a lot of people will just sit on the sidelines, waiting for other people to buy it to see if it's any good. But the interest in the cars are there from what i've read. Heck, thats the reason im here anyways. JMO.
very good pointE46DinanM3 said:I think they said that about Yugo too...
never mind buy a chinese car. i expect america would vote one in as president.
anybody who finds the chinese unpatriotic must be talking about a different china on a different planet.
My experience with my Chinese wife, in-laws, friends etc.. is thay they love their country, but don't like chinese brand products at all!
They only buy japanese & european stuff.
They only buy japanese & european stuff.
oo4load said:My experience with my Chinese wife, in-laws, friends etc.. is thay they love their country, but don't like chinese brand products at all!
They only buy japanese & european stuff.
That's true to an extent. It also depends on where they are from. HK Chinese and Taiwanese are probably the least likely to buy Chinese brands. Mainland Chinese, they know that Chinese products typically are not on par with foreign products, but there is a good percentage who would buy Chinese products just to support China. I think even though many Chinese would prefer to buy foreign brands because of quality issues, they still feel ashamed that China isn't doing well enough. However, there are some industries where Chinese brands have become very competitive with foreign brands, particularly in the appliance and computer industries, and Chinese brands are very dominant in these areas in China.
I think that Chinese and Americans are similar to an extent in this reguard. Americans are very nationalistic too, but they often buy foreign products instead of American brands. This is unlike Japanese and Koreans, who stick to their own products no matter what. Chinese and Americans are similar in many other ways too, besides just that area.
Daewoo is out of business now... not exactly a crowning success.hazik said:americans will buy anything. Look at daewoo, they only made crappy cars and they sold alot in the 2 years they were in north america. I would rather buy a Chery than a Daewoo.
My mom is full chinese and immigrated from shanghai in the late 60's. When I told her about chinese cars she frowned, made a disappointed snort and said something to the effect of "I bet they are junky".oo4load said:My experience with my Chinese wife, in-laws, friends etc.. is thay they love their country, but don't like chinese brand products at all!
They only buy japanese & european stuff.
Americans (and Chinese it seems, from what you are saying) for the large part are not dillusional when it comes to the reality of brand quality. American cars are poorly made, compared to european and japanese cars, but they are still lightyears better than the best chinese car. However, most Americans WILL gladly buy other american brands and see the low quality of American cars as an exception to a general image of American quality, not the rule. More importantly, American cars, despite the fact they are viewed as less reliable are still viewed generally viewed as safe. People can deal with less reliability (especially when warrentees are involved), but very few American comsumers are willing to sacrifice safety.edge said:That's true to an extent. It also depends on where they are from. HK Chinese and Taiwanese are probably the least likely to buy Chinese brands. Mainland Chinese, they know that Chinese products typically are not on par with foreign products, but there is a good percentage who would buy Chinese products just to support China. I think even though many Chinese would prefer to buy foreign brands because of quality issues, they still feel ashamed that China isn't doing well enough. However, there are some industries where Chinese brands have become very competitive with foreign brands, particularly in the appliance and computer industries, and Chinese brands are very dominant in these areas in China.
I think that Chinese and Americans are similar to an extent in this reguard. Americans are very nationalistic too, but they often buy foreign products instead of American brands. This is unlike Japanese and Koreans, who stick to their own products no matter what. Chinese and Americans are similar in many other ways too, besides just that area.
fm.illuminatus said:My mom is full chinese and immigrated from shanghai in the late 60's. When I told her about chinese cars she frowned, made a disappointed snort and said something to the effect of "I bet they are junky".
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
Well, at least Daewoo actually spent billions on engineering its own cars. The same cannot be said of Chery pirating Daewoos.I would rather buy a Chery than a Daewoo.
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At least Chery makes it's own engines, they didn't just copy engines from someone else.Real_I_Hate_China said:Well, at least Daewoo actually spent billions on engineering its own cars. The same cannot be said of Chery pirating Daewoos.
here are pics of Chery's 3.0 liter VVT V6 engine
Who else in the auto industry but Chery illegally copies another automaker's engine?At least Chery makes it's own engines, they didn't just copy engines from someone else.
Chery didn't design this engine; the design is licensed from AVL. Chey couldn't fix it if a problem is found. Why? Because they didn't design this engine.here are pics of Chery's 3.0 liter VVT V6 engine
But at least this is a positive direction for Chery; they are now beginning to pay for designs they use instead of stealing them.
fm.illuminatus said:Americans (and Chinese it seems, from what you are saying) for the large part are not dillusional when it comes to the reality of brand quality. American cars are poorly made, compared to european and japanese cars, but they are still lightyears better than the best chinese car. However, most Americans WILL gladly buy other american brands and see the low quality of American cars as an exception to a general image of American quality, not the rule. More importantly, American cars, despite the fact they are viewed as less reliable are still viewed generally viewed as safe. People can deal with less reliability (especially when warrentees are involved), but very few American comsumers are willing to sacrifice safety.
Considering that I've known two people who almost died when their Ford Explorers blew tires and tumbled around on the highway, leaving permanent scars on their foreheads and arms, I don't know if I can agree that American cars are really all that safe.
Yes, Ford has a great safety record. From the Pinto, to the Crown Victoria and the F150... If it costs $20 per car to save lives, they'll take the $20 instead.
http://www.fordpinto.com/blowup.htm
http://www.crownvictoriasafetyalert.com/
http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150
http://www.fordpinto.com/blowup.htm
http://www.crownvictoriasafetyalert.com/
http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150
Ok, American cars are safe excluding ford.edge said:Considering that I've known two people who almost died when their Ford Explorers blew tires and tumbled around on the highway, leaving permanent scars on their foreheads and arms, I don't know if I can agree that American cars are really all that safe.
made it to the us
or did not make it
if they improve they will be better and alot more popular
Some FAMOUS AND POPULAR auto makers not even very well known in the US and rarely to almost NOT available ...
Seat / Fiat / Daihatsu / Perodua / Proton / Rover / Renault / Dacia / Lancia bla bla
I drove a chery a11( i am not chinese ) and compared it to my Dads 1995 Toyota Corrolla .. performance / comfortable / space wise, the chery is alot better
the only thing I didnt like was the plastic looking interior
my dads 1994 corrolla had no abs no airbags and it costs x2 the cost of the chery NOW . the new 2006 corrolla costs 3x the chery a11 and doesn't come with abs not even a cd-player and not even sport rims .
Toyota corrolas waranty is 3 years - 60,000 KM here
Cherys Waranty is 4 years - 90,000 KM
spare parts , cherys spare parts are 50 to 70% cheaper than toyotas !
and u can use seat toledo/VW jetta spare parts which are still widely avaialble here.
the toyota yaris you speak of , 1.3L - half options costs $19,000 here
the cheapest Contender to the chery is the following :
Proton Wira 1.5L - full options ( Malysian 1992 lancer . discountinued at malysia .. still for some sick reason on sale here )
Hyundai Accent ( 1999 OLDEST SHAPE - BUILT AND MADE IN EGYPT ( my country ) 1.3 L NO FEATURES . not even an A/C !!
Hyundai Accent ( 2001 old shape ) 1.5L - powersteering-a/c also built in egypt
Fiat Palio ( 2006 ) Made in brazil , and its a very small hatchback (supermini ) made by Fiat For DEVELOPING COUNTRIES >> ( ie not for sale in europe and so )
Daewoo Lanos ( not the aveo , the old Lanos - built in egypt ) 1.5L - half options ... ( need I comment ? )
so if you look closely the $8000 to $11,000 market here is dominated by OLDER rebuilt cars , or superminis or totally crappy old cars so the chery a11 is always a winner for a country like ours
price wise / feature wise and space wise .
its the cheapest 1.6 L full featured car and has alot more space than many expensive ones ..
see the point ?
Its not just about build quality and all your yada yada !!!
i dont see any ECONOMY of buying a ZERO-FEATURES Accent for more money ! JUST BCUZ ITS A DAMN KOREAN HYUNDAI !
or did not make it
if they improve they will be better and alot more popular
Some FAMOUS AND POPULAR auto makers not even very well known in the US and rarely to almost NOT available ...
Seat / Fiat / Daihatsu / Perodua / Proton / Rover / Renault / Dacia / Lancia bla bla
I drove a chery a11( i am not chinese ) and compared it to my Dads 1995 Toyota Corrolla .. performance / comfortable / space wise, the chery is alot better
the only thing I didnt like was the plastic looking interior
my dads 1994 corrolla had no abs no airbags and it costs x2 the cost of the chery NOW . the new 2006 corrolla costs 3x the chery a11 and doesn't come with abs not even a cd-player and not even sport rims .
Toyota corrolas waranty is 3 years - 60,000 KM here
Cherys Waranty is 4 years - 90,000 KM
spare parts , cherys spare parts are 50 to 70% cheaper than toyotas !
and u can use seat toledo/VW jetta spare parts which are still widely avaialble here.
the toyota yaris you speak of , 1.3L - half options costs $19,000 here
the cheapest Contender to the chery is the following :
Proton Wira 1.5L - full options ( Malysian 1992 lancer . discountinued at malysia .. still for some sick reason on sale here )
Hyundai Accent ( 1999 OLDEST SHAPE - BUILT AND MADE IN EGYPT ( my country ) 1.3 L NO FEATURES . not even an A/C !!
Hyundai Accent ( 2001 old shape ) 1.5L - powersteering-a/c also built in egypt
Fiat Palio ( 2006 ) Made in brazil , and its a very small hatchback (supermini ) made by Fiat For DEVELOPING COUNTRIES >> ( ie not for sale in europe and so )
Daewoo Lanos ( not the aveo , the old Lanos - built in egypt ) 1.5L - half options ... ( need I comment ? )
so if you look closely the $8000 to $11,000 market here is dominated by OLDER rebuilt cars , or superminis or totally crappy old cars so the chery a11 is always a winner for a country like ours
price wise / feature wise and space wise .
its the cheapest 1.6 L full featured car and has alot more space than many expensive ones ..
see the point ?
Its not just about build quality and all your yada yada !!!
i dont see any ECONOMY of buying a ZERO-FEATURES Accent for more money ! JUST BCUZ ITS A DAMN KOREAN HYUNDAI !
Found this article on some proUS antiChina site
WHY YOU SHOULD NOT BUY
CHINESE MADE CARS.
Many Americans that spend extended periods of time away from their home country develop a keen sense of patriotism. My patriotism gradually evolved into an economic nationalism.
My rank on the economic battlefield was something like a field lieutenant. A low enough rank to be in the thick of the battle, yet high enough to know what was really going on. I was not an armchair general - nor a foot soldier.
In almost every encounter the pattern was always the same. Give us your money and your technology and then go away. Don't go away mad - just go away. Our Asian trading partners were not counting on many people staying in the game as long as I did. Usually it was just to get your "ticket punched" and then move on to your rightful place in corporate America.
Once you developed a real "relationship" your host would invariably ask the question, "What are the American people thinking?" What they really wanted to know was, "Have they figured out the scam yet?" (I replied that I'm disappointed that they have not. But I have.)
I have seen things in my hundreds of trips and years in the region that most Americans haven't. I don't expect all of you to practice economic nationalism like I do. I drive an American car with over 200,000 miles on it. I turn things over in stores and admonish the startled staff to carry more American products. I don't own an electric hair dryer because I can't find one made in the USA anymore. I also admit to having less hair than I used to.
I will never drive a Chinese made car until the day that our trade deficit with China comes into relative balance. OK maybe after what I've experienced I may never drive a Chinese made car. I sincerely hope that you will join me.
The temptation will be strong. You may see a Chinese made car for less than $5,000.00 US Dollars. Warranties may be extended. There may be a US or even a European brand name on the hood. You might say that you can't afford to buy a US car. I'm saying that you can't afford not to.
WHY YOU SHOULD NOT BUY
CHINESE MADE CARS.
Many Americans that spend extended periods of time away from their home country develop a keen sense of patriotism. My patriotism gradually evolved into an economic nationalism.
My rank on the economic battlefield was something like a field lieutenant. A low enough rank to be in the thick of the battle, yet high enough to know what was really going on. I was not an armchair general - nor a foot soldier.
In almost every encounter the pattern was always the same. Give us your money and your technology and then go away. Don't go away mad - just go away. Our Asian trading partners were not counting on many people staying in the game as long as I did. Usually it was just to get your "ticket punched" and then move on to your rightful place in corporate America.
Once you developed a real "relationship" your host would invariably ask the question, "What are the American people thinking?" What they really wanted to know was, "Have they figured out the scam yet?" (I replied that I'm disappointed that they have not. But I have.)
I have seen things in my hundreds of trips and years in the region that most Americans haven't. I don't expect all of you to practice economic nationalism like I do. I drive an American car with over 200,000 miles on it. I turn things over in stores and admonish the startled staff to carry more American products. I don't own an electric hair dryer because I can't find one made in the USA anymore. I also admit to having less hair than I used to.
I will never drive a Chinese made car until the day that our trade deficit with China comes into relative balance. OK maybe after what I've experienced I may never drive a Chinese made car. I sincerely hope that you will join me.
The temptation will be strong. You may see a Chinese made car for less than $5,000.00 US Dollars. Warranties may be extended. There may be a US or even a European brand name on the hood. You might say that you can't afford to buy a US car. I'm saying that you can't afford not to.
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