dry sump

ukcjm said:

hi to anyone and everyone, i am thinking of installing a dry sump system, there is not a kit available. the system looks reasonably straight forward to fit, however the design of the sump seems to be the key, and i am in need of a helping hand in this area, so could anyone advise me please. many thanks.

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huh? for what car? and what exactly is a dry sump?

hi ash, am not allowed to post links, so a dry sump system keeps the sump nearly dry of oil, it uses an externally mounted pump, driven from crank. and has oil tank. benefits are can heat oil before firing, zero surge problems, can remove air from oil, improved piston ring sealing, extra capicity, lower mounting of engine, due to smaller sump depth required, being some of benefits, alot of race cars use them.disadvantages are cost, weighs more than stock pump, can be complex in design.car is track/hillclimb spitfire 2.5 six tuned, forged pistons,billet crank, carrilo rods, stage four head,will be using three twin 45's, full race exhaust. thanks for reply.

if you really have a spitfire in china.....

internet search should find it. there are some companies that do kits, I think PACE PRODUCTS are the most likely source. but I don't know if anyone would do it for the triumph six so you'd probably need some custom bits making. if you are in UK it would be easy, if you are in china not so easy, but not impossible either...

the best people to talk to would be chinadragonracing.com in shanghai or guangzhou area.

if you are in china, then I can try to help since I am now back in england, and I know the people you need to use on the receiving end, but I would be quite surprised to find there is a spitfire hillclimb car there - quite apart from anything else I don't think there is any hillclimb competition yet?

thanks fightingtorque, i have e-mailed several companies,and get no response. tried stefs again today( on phone!) , he is on holiday,untill monday. i am in uk by the way. car will not be ready untill new year, so have time to sort things out. will try the co' you advised, thanks for your input.

I'm a bit confused. If you are in UK trying to build a Triumph, why are you looking for advice from a chinese car forum?

That is, unless you have in mind sourcing performance parts from China at a saving? If so and if you have the means to sell/ distribute in the UK then I am interested - I know some people in China who could produce things. It could work.

fightingtorque said:

I'm a bit confused. If you are in UK trying to build a Triumph, why are you looking for advice from a chinese car forum?

That is, unless you have in mind sourcing performance parts from China at a saving? If so and if you have the means to sell/ distribute in the UK then I am interested - I know some people in China who could produce things. It could work.

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i have been looking all over for advice. it seems that taste in developements differ from forum to forum. a saving is preferable, although expertise in manufacture and design are first on list. i have not done any market research, in this area, although the ultimate in oil control in away sells itself.the extra weight,and its reported that the system is sometimes complex to use, and the cost, is the down side for most people, the sump seems to be the key for a sucessful system.what are your thoughts please fightingtorque?( and anyone else of course!!)

I believe the benefits are:

1 getting the engine lower in the car - could be the most important point but only if there aren't other limiting factors to lowering the engine (crossmember etc.

2 potential power saving from not having the oil thrashing around near the moving parts.

3 elimination of oil starvation due to surge in cornering etc - normally a baffled sump can solve this.

4 it's a nice part of the project....... big shiny tank and lots of shiny fittings and braided lines everywhere.

try kitcar mags / forums for parts.

at last i have had a positive step forward! i have sent three e-mails to stefs, with no reply, so decided to phone, a guy there is going to work on it. stefs have excellant work history, so it looks like a go!! thanks for replies, very much appriciated.
i have a blog, cannot post link, though its my user name, spitfire,blogspot.com