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According to a new study by the Spanish Institute of Oceanography - Climate Change in the Spanish Mediterranean - the Mediterranean Sea could be on course to rise half a meter (20 inches) in the next 50 years. Sea levels have been rising since the 1970s with the rate of increase growing in recent years - between 2.5mm and 10mm (0.1 and 0.4in) per year since the 1990s.

Global warming is to blame, with water expanding as it warms and melting ice adding to the pot.

Try to visit Venice (elevation 0.0) before it finally succumbs to the waves.

China is now the third largest producer of motor vehicles in the world behind Japan and the US. In 2006 more than 7 million cars, trucks and whatever rolled off Chinese production lines. About the same were sold there. Japan and the US each saw over 11 million vehicles produced.

Are you alarmed that this new automotive powerhouse will flood the world with inexpensive cars while contributing to the flooding of low lying areas around the Mediterranean?

Maybe, but maybe you need not be. China could be on route to becoming the world’s capital of green vehicles. Think hybrids, plug-in hybrids and pure electric vehicles, but not necessarily biofuel-powered.

Though without connections to officials within the Chinese government it’s hard to determine what their thinking is regarding green vehicles, but it’s easy to imagine minimal support for ethanol or biodiesel. After all, they’ve got 1.3 billion mouths to feed all living on a patch of land the size of the US. There may not be much arable land to devote to significant biofuel production. Food comes before fuel.

Further, there’s the air pollution issue. China has some real problems in that regard. Biofueled cars and trucks are a little cleaner than petroleum-fueled but they still pollute. A high population with the potential of more vehicles than the US means that the cleanest possible vehicles must be chosen.

China is not a democracy even though their industry is more and more market-driven like the US. But they are unlike US industry, which has special interests constantly looking for handouts and favors from politicians all too willing to comply, China can just tell it’s industry what to do. They must comply: no argument. A guess is that electric drive of some fashion is the eventual choice.

Already at least four Chinese car makers are developing hybrids, plug-in hybrids or pure electric vehicles - Geely, Chery, SAIC, and BYD. All are near launching to at least Chinese markets.

Details are slim on the promised product offerings. Here are some tidbits.

--- SAIC Motor Corporation, China’s leading car maker by sales volume, is building a demonstration fleet of what it is calling “new energy vehicles.”

For the “new energy” vehicles - could be hybrid or fuel cell - lithium-ion batteries are being supplied by a joint venture of Johnson Controls and Saft. The batteries will be produced in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, thus a rare export item for the US. The batteries will be installed in demonstration vehicles in early 2008.

--- Chery Automobile is building a hybrid to be launched in the second half of 2008. It will have nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries also supplied by Johnson Controls and Saft, but this time manufactured in France, developed in the US and integrated with Chinese help into vehicles in China.

--- BYD Auto (Build Your Dreams) is presenting its dual-mode F6 DM (cover graphic) at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. Dual-mode means all-electric or hybrid drive take your pick. The company says the car has an all-electric driving range of 60 miles driving at highway speeds of 60 mph. The company hopes to start selling DM-enabled vehicles in North America within three to five years.

In the F6 DM a 1.0-liter engine drives a generator as a range-extender, or works in parallel hybrid mode, in which the engine and electric motor both provide propulsion. It’s a plug-in hybrid too and can be recharged fully by a 220 household outlet in about 9 hours. Total range in and out of various modes is a little under 300 miles.

The company thinks their technology will be the one copied by others around the world. Could be. It’s very similar to the Chevrolet Volt concept. The company is only about 12 years old.

--- Finally, Geely is said to be developing a variety of hybrid cars in five years - mild, light, moderate and full hybrid-electric cars - any sauce you like.

So, China may be bringing to world markets, and for itself, much more than conventional cars. It may bring a greater offering of fuel efficient cars than is now available. After all, Shanghai is low to the waterline too. The largest city of the People's Republic of China and the eighth largest in the world is only 13 feet above sea level, much of it lower than that.

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Not to forget other significant steps in this direction in China:

Chang'an with its newly introduced Jiexun, now in volume production.

Brilliance with its recently displayed hybrid version of the Zunchi (M1)(BS6).

The Dongfeng Electric Vehicle Co., Ltd., established in 2001.

Guangqi Auto's recently displayed AEV and AHEV concept vehicles in Guanzhou.

The Jinhua Youngman Auto tie up with ZAP EV company of the U.S..

Wanxiang Electric Vehicle Research Center (a Bibendum participant)

An assortment of electric mini-vehicle makers also have the potential to go upscale. For example Jindalu, Huoyun, Dong'an Heibao, etc..

The ones that seem to be lagging here however, are the gas-eating light truck and SUV makers like Great Wall, Changfeng, Zhongxing........

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As some of you may have noticed, I have posted various comments, throughout this forum, regarding the immediate and long-term global benefits of going "Green" with electric, solar and hydro vehicles. My question is therefore a simple one: What is the official Chinese Government position on encouraging "Green" technology? Do they offer manufacturers grants, loans or tax incentives for developing "Green" products? Are government officials at all worried about the absolute certainty of continued frequency of killer storms hitting China or the coastal cities being flooded within a few years? Have they considered the astronomical costs of healthcare (heart and lung disease, etc...) required by continuing to place more and more fossil fuel burning cars and power plants online -as being far more costly than the short term economic gains?
I'm very curious about their official position because the overwhelming news coming out of China seems to only address the short term (automotive) rush to build more pollution producers- yet privately China's Sun King (of solar)seams to be a top "Green" activist icon?

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Is there an English Language version?

Thanks for the link, but unfortunately I don't read Chinese (though that may change in the future). Is there an English Language version of the article?

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Rough Road for Hybrids in China

i think china can change this around pretty quick

Toyota and Honda are selling eco-friendly cars in mainland China and GM is close behind. But high prices and murky policy have crimped sales
by Dexter Roberts

A cut-away demonstration model of the F6 DM car from BYD Company Ltd. of China showing a place where ordinary household electricity can be plugged in to charge batteries in the hybrid vehicle. STAN HONDA/AFP/Getty Images

China, so notorious for its toxic air that athletes competing in this summer's Olympics are desperate to spend as little time in Beijing as possible (, 2/12/08), should be a promising market for eco-friendly hybrids. Auto sales grew 22%, to 8.8 million last year, and will probably top 10 million in 2008. Meanwhile, oil imports have soared and air pollution increasingly clogs the skies of China's cities. But high sticker prices for hybrids and unclear policies from Beijing have deterred many buyers, and companies that have tried to sell green cars so far have met with disappointing results.

Still, companies are hardly giving up. The latest is General Motors (GM). On Jan. 22, the American giant known for its gas-guzzling heavy metal announced it will produce a hybrid later this year in China. GM will launch the Buick LaCrosse Eco-Hybrid, an upper- to mid-end sedan with a 2.4-liter engine. (The exact date and price have not been announced.) Toyota Motor (TM) started selling its Prius in China in 2005 and now assembles the world's most popular hybrid in the northeastern city of Changchun. Honda Motor (HMC) started importing its Civic hybrid from Japan last year.

GM isn't a global leader in hybrids, and while Toyota's Prius gets more than 50 miles per gallon, the LaCrosse will get only 34 mpg. That's just a five-mile-per-gallon improvement over the nonhybrid model. GM nonetheless contends the launch of its first China hybrid shows that it is being a good corporate citizen. The company, which commands 9.5% of the Chinese auto market, has "a responsibility to contribute to sustainable development of our society by promoting long-term energy security," said Kevin Wale, president and managing director of the GM China Group in an e-mail answer to BusinessWeek.

Domestic Attempts
Locals are dipping into the market. Shenzhen-based BYD Auto plans to start selling this summer a plug-in hybrid (, 1/10/08). Last October, Zhejiang-based Geely announced that it will develop five hybrid car models over the coming five years.

Chery, China's most successful domestic brand, took its first step (, 1/4/08) last November when it produced 10 1.3-liter compact hybrid sedans to serve as taxis in its hometown of Wuhu, in the central province of Anhui. Chery is producing 50 more for use during the Beijing Olympics this August and plans a nationwide launch by yearend. "This is aimed at grabbing opportunity in China," says Jin Yibo, a deputy general manager at Chery. "We can achieve energy conservation and environmental protection goals through hybrid cars."

The local player with the most advanced hybrid strategy is proceeding cautiously. Chongqing-based Changan Automobile Group, which to date has focused mainly on producing buses and commercial vehicles, last December started producing China's first mass-produced hybrid, the Joice HEV, a 1.5-liter four-door hatchback. While Changan has signed a strategic cooperation agreement with Shanghai Jiao Tong University to develop auto technology, so far it is not devoting a lot of resources to its hybrid strategy. Changan had revenue of $8.1 billion in 2007 but over the next four years plans to invest just $40 million in hybrid research and development.

High Tariffs on Parts
One likely reason: China's consumers have not yet shown much interest in hybrids. Because of high tariffs on imported parts, the Prius in China costs some $15,000 more than the Japanese and U.S. versions. And even with a 9% hike in gasoline pump prices on the mainland last November, China's consumers still pay 18% less for gas than consumers in the U.S.

So for now, hybrid sales remain lackluster. In the more than two years since it launched the Prius in China, Toyota has managed to sell only 2,500 cars. The company had set a sales target of 3,000 for 2007 alone but fell far short. "It's very difficult because of the high price and the import duty," said Toyota Executive Vice-President Takeshi Uchiyamada during the Tokyo Auto Show late last fall. According to Uchiyamada, China's government needs to grant preferential policies to the industry. "There is a big potential in China," he said. "Chinese people will have a strong interest in hybrid vehicles, and not too far into the future."

With Ian Rowley in Tokyo

Roberts is BusinessWeek's China bureau chief and Asia news editor

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Scientific Assessment of Hybrid Realities

Thanks Ash,
I couldn't agree more with Ian Rowley's assessment of the current Chinese governmental conundrum about whether or not to get involved and set a policy in place that actually helps domestic Chinese producers go "Green". On the one hand, major automakers keep lying about consumer demand for such hybrid/EV products -and- unfortunately many Chinese Automakers have already bought into this deception and begun gearing up for more/new models of gasoline powered cars. I say unfortunately because the US and European market for economy cars is glutted with many many high quality offerings from the "Big 3" US makers along with Japanese, European and even quality Korean offerings. The only way to gain any significant market share here would be to sell equally high quality (including strikingly designed) offerings for much less- to entice the skeptical buyers; this is a horrible strategy for future economic growth- not to mention the unbelievable damage it will do to the Earth's environment by flooding the world market with more and more cheaply sold gas powered cars! Nonetheless, I believe that this is exactly what the big existing Japanese, European and US automakers want China to do! Why? Because after China has invested every possible economic resource in this gas car gear-up, other existing large automakers will then flood the world markets with low cost hybrids and EV's. China, of course, won't have the resources to react and re-tool quickly and will be economically sidelined for years (not to mention stuck with more pollution)!
Here are the facts that support big picture view:
1. People everywhere are asking about hybrids/EVs, to the point that over 100 little independant companies are trying to get (particularly EVs) new models ready to sell. Just do a Google search and start following all of the threads- you'll be blown away by the widespread activity in the market!
2. Toyota simply couldn't keep up with the market demand for the Prius model in the US this year. Some sources say that they could have sold 100,000 more units easily!
3. All of the current major manufacturers are saying the hybrids/EV models are too expensive to produce, are unsafe and people haven't purchased past models in large numbers. Let's look at the reality of all of these statements:
Hybrids typically work in one of three ways, LPG, electric or gas plus electric. Hydrogen is strategically being kept our of the equation for now.
A. LPG, though petroleum based, is a gas currently sold for 50-75% below gasoline costs. It doesn't pollute quite as much as liquid gasoline and definitely is cheaper. US conversions cost between $2000-5000. It is a small, but affordable step in the right direction (especially for existing gas vehicles on the road that must be utilized to do heavy towing, etc...). I don't believe any new pollution producers should be built period, but LPG vehicles can be produced for less money because they have fewer fuel system parts and could save everyone on fuel costs immediately. These products are exactly the same in terms of safety features because they are conversions. This is reality number one.
B. Primarily electric vehicles with small gas powered backup motors are also definitely cheaper to produce than current models. Electrics are smaller, lighter and require fewer moving parts (from as few as 350 on an EV to over 3000 on many gas models). Their deceptive arguement is the pure EVs don't go far enough on a charge. Without getting into too many specifics, wheel hubmotors (eliminating transmissions, etc...) and more powerful batteries make this an outright lie today! However, for the sake of arguement, even if a small EV needed a gas backup engine, the Tato Nano's engine, for example (could be used as a small generator) only costs $700. Again, this configuration is less, not more, expensive to produce than a typical gasoline vehicle! Granted, lighter vehicles aren't as safe as heavy ones in general, but these small EVs can certainly include the same safety features as other similarly sized cars. This is reality number two.
C. Hydrogen cell technology sounds great, but I've yet to hear of a company willing to produce these cars in large quantities at prices comperable to current gasoline models. Only a few large automakers have to right to produce this patented technology and all indications are pointing towards very limited and expensive models to be offered way down the road (two to five years away). This is reality number three.
D. Gas vehicles with electric backup, okay they're right, to add extra batteries and alternators to a vehicle originally designed as a straight petrol burning car is foolish and expensive. What's more, they don't do either function well- because they're heavier from the extra weight, they typically only net a 10% or less fuel savings over the conventional version of the same model. In this case, it is highly probable that, since the extra batteries/electric motor were an afterthought- that there are many inherent safety compromises due to stuffing extra batteries and wiring into areas where they were not originally designed to be! Likewise, with tremendously inflated prices for poorly designed models like these- no they haven't sold well! This is reality number four, but more importantly it begs the question of why any company would want to create such a design? The only possible answer is that they simply DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO STOP USING VAST SUMS OF OIL! The fact is, the CAFE in the US has stayed right around 20mpg for over 20 years.
What's the logical answer for China? The Chinese Government needs to confirm the truth scientifically and then set policies in effect that help domestic EV producers gain a market edge on the clear "Green" future of transportation. If the government were to poll future car buyers and ask whether they would pay the same (or slightly higher) prices for an EV that could perform as well as a gasoline model (same size, excelleration, safety features and go at least 100 miles per charge).
To recap the immediate government action needed: 1. Like any scientific study- review the newest existing literature to separate fact from fiction regarding EVs 2. Look at the number of worldwide producers gearing up for market entrance in the very near future. 3. Poll the Chinese people about their wilingness to buy quality EVs rather than their gas powered counterparts. 4. Set economic/environmental policy that helps domestic automakers go "Green".

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Well said, Dr.Al. I have always wondered about the real advantage of making and selling a hybrid vehicle. I mean, yes, it has some electric-propulsion technology employed, but, why include conventional ICE propulsion means in the same car?

It ought to be either all-electric propulsion, or just leave it all ICE. And to leave rigs with all ICE technology we are just staying status quo and changing nothing. We are still polluting our environment too much and still using expensive, noxious fossil fuels to move these cars along.

That is very telling, that athletes are not wanting to stay in Bejiing any longer than they have to, because of all the nasty pollution. Going for all-electric cars could really help China gain an early foothold on the competition and be the leaders in automotive technology. And they could actually talk about reducing air pollution, not constantly adding to it.

We need to think about our children's futures and their continued ability to breathe. They have proven that 2nd-hand smoke causes lung disease. Think about China's cities and America's cities and cities like Rome and London and Moscow and Mexico City. Dirty, nasty air for all ages breathing air there. We ought to be thinking about alternatives and unfortunately, just thinking about them and not implementing them does nothing towards improving the situation.

We need to ditch internal-combustion engine vehicles ASAP and move towards all-electric vehicles. Hybrids are more of a "let's just build them to say we're trying something," type of deal. They are more like an experiment than a lasting answer to ICE's and all of their horrid pollution.

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In my view, there is also something else that hinders the EV/hybrid market in China - LACK OF AWARENESS. The average chinese consumer simply doesn't seem to be AWARE of the seriousness of global warming. There is little in the way of advertisements or even public service announcements regarding energy conservation - people here will still run the air conditioners with a window OPEN just to get some "fresh" air!! Multiply that all over the country in the middle of the summer......anyone want to take a guess HOW MUCH energy is wasted? Another thing.......although it IS beautiful to see the colorful skylines of Shanghai, Shenzhen and even Nanning now (with all the colored lights all over the builidings - reminds me of Las Vegas) - it IS EXTREMELY wasteful when it comes to energy. People here simply DO NOT understand how important and critical it is to reduce energy usage NOW and help save the planet. They ARE catching on, but VERY slowly - TOO slowly in my opinion. The government here NEEDS to make public awareness of this a MAJOR priority - along with awareness on the importance of EV and hybrid vehicles. Unfortunately, it's going to take time - many provinces still can't decide on the legality of electric bikes and scooters, let alone EV/hybrids! It IS encouraging to know that several of the big chinese auto companies are going ahead and selling hybrids NOW - Chery will have the A5 and the A1 hybrids on sale this year, BYD will start selling the F6DM and Geely will (I assume) be selling some kind of hybrid this year as well. These companies are planning for the FUTURE - and I think they will be glad they did. These companies have already stated their firm commitment to EV/hybrids - in fact Chery has said that they want FIFTY percent of their annual sales to be hybrid/EV based by 2011. Lofty? Yes - but admirable. Let's hope that these models (and others as well) will FINALLY help to promote widespread awareness about global warming and energy conservation here in China. I'm doing my part - I am showing anyone I can the movie "An Inconvenient Truth" and I have decided to NOT buy a car until I have the option of at least buying a chinese made hybrid car (the Prius and Civic hybrids are WAY too expensive). I also ride a electric scooter for my local shopping, eliminating the need to use taxis so much - and I have several of my friends here doing the same thing. WE (I'm talking about all of us around the planet) have to start doing these kinds of things NOW, and WE all need to make a effort to reduce our carbon footprint - I know I'm just taking little steps to reduce mine but it's still better than nothing. If WE can all take little steps, they add up to BIG steps - and it CAN make a difference.

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Way to go!

;) I couldn't agree more! That's why I'm trying very hard to sell my solar EV design to a Chinese EV builder. With China putting 2,000 new cars on the road each day- it won't take long to get past what several NASA Scientists have called the "tipping point" of no return for the world's climate! Ironically, (pure/not converted ICE designs) EVs are actually cheaper to build, last longer with less maintanence, addition to having lower fuel costs. However, until the official government position supports "green" technologies (see my other posts for suggestions)- it's going to be tough battle we're fighting! Keep up the good work!:thumb:

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jmsteiny-congrats on the fact that you are seeing the pollution problem and are actively doing your part to at least slow it down. It is nice to see a CCF member in full support of the need to get out of ICE vehicles. Good for you!

This whole thing started getting very apparent to me about 3 or 4 months ago...that the major automakers are taking mini-steps and not doing much. The support needs to be there from the CEO's and other execs of Chinese manufacturers and American manufacturers before much will get done. If we all do our part we can stop the damage being done to our environment...or at least sharply curtail it, but, if nobody does much or just talks about it and does nothing, where will we be in 10 years from now? Very close to where we are now, except that another 25% of the world's inhabitants might very well have COPD or other lung diseases. Good to see where you stand on this issue!

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They will drive you green without envy

BEIJING, Feb. 22 -- Clean energy is the focus of the auto industry this year. It better be because the government is now determined to save energy and control the emission of greenhouse gases (GHGs).

The clean energy wind began blowing across China's auto industry when Toyota introduced its hybrid car, Prius, in January 2006. Almost all global auto giants are bringing their energy-efficient technologies and vehicles to China, and domestic carmakers, too, have realized the importance of clean energy research and development (R&D).

Clean energy has become a pre-requisite and must-do for all automakers. "It's a sound response to the energy crisis, the call for an environmentally-friendly world and the government's encouraging policies," says auto consulting firm Sinotrust's analyst Sun Qi.

The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) issued the Guiding Catalogue of Industrial Structure Regulation in 2005, encouraging new energy automobile R&D. In December last year, the NDRC issued a draft catalogue, reconfirming the importance and immediacy of clean energy in the auto industry. A month before releasing the draft, the NDRC had also drawn up management regulations for introduction of new energy in auto production.

Beijing will implement China IV emission standards from next month. The Beijing Olympic Games and Shanghai 2010 World Expo will further boost China's green drive, with promises of encouraging low or even zero emission vehicles. All this has made hybrid cars a lucrative prospect.

Another reason automakers are looking at hybrid cars is oil. Crude oil prices crossed the psychological barrier of $100 a barrel and were hovering around $98 yesterday. Just in 2003, the price was $25 a barrel.

Sun, however, says China's auto industry has yet to find the right direction and develop an efficient way to cut GHG emissions because R&D into clean energy has been diversified into many channels, from hybrid, electric vehicles to substitute energy of hydrogen, ethanol, ether and bio-fuel.

Most analysts generally consider hydrogen-powered vehicles to be the best way to achieve zero emission and high-energy efficiency. But they concede that the exorbitant R&D cost, difficulty in building facilities and getting enough and uninterrupted supply of hydrogen make manufacturing such vehicles almost impossible in the near future.

That's why 2008 can be the year of hybrid vehicles, a transitional and feasible solution in the clean energy journey, Sun says. Hybrid vehicles can cut energy consumption by 10 to 50 percent. Therefore, "gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles may only resolve the energy crisis for the moment".

Hybrid cars have gained so much favor among makers and buyers that European and US auto conglomerates, which till now had been concentrating on hydrogen-powered vehicles, have began shifting their focus. And analysts say hybrid cars offer domestic firms a chance to share the global stage with their international rivals.

Prius is the only one, with a small production unit in China, to receive a good response. Other imported hybrid models have not been that successful because of their high prices. As a result, in the past two years many auto joint ventures and domestic brands have set up projects in the hope of developing new models.

Chang'an Auto Corp, China's fourth largest automaker, is the first to go into mass production of hybrid cars. The country's first hybrid sedan Jiexun-HEV rolled off the production line at a Chang'an plant in Chongqing in December. To cost between 130,000 and 150,000 yuan ($18,200 and $21,000), it is expected to hit the market soon. Six years of intensive R&D preceded the mass production of Jiexun-HEV.

A Ministry of Science and Technology official says the new sedan has been developed using Chinese patents for the engine and hybrid power system, or the entire car. This is the beginning of mastering the core technologies of the hybrid-power system by a Chinese firm.

Chang'an Auto president Xu Liuping says Jiexun-HEV is a breakthrough in the "electricity run automobile program", which is part of the "863 plan", China's strategic high-tech research development plan created in 1987. The car has a fuel-battery hybrid technology and consumes 20 percent less fuel compared to traditional cars. Its emission meets standard IV, the highest yardstick in China.

Chery Automobile Co in Anhui province is also out to cash in on the hybrid car craze. The carmaker's spokesman Jin Yibo says a hybrid car model, based on A5, is already being tested as a taxi on the roads of Wuhu, where Chery's plant is located. The company may officially launch the car later this year.

Another Chery hybrid car could hit the market in the second half of the year, says Jin. Chery assigned British Ricardo Co, a leading provider of technology, product innovation and engineering solu tions, to develop a hybrid vehicle in 2004.

And then there's BYD Auto, a cell-phone battery company that entered the auto business in 2005 and plans to unveil a hybrid car model, F6DM, in the later half of the year. The car is expected to cost 150,000 yuan ($21,000).

Other domestic firms trying to enter the clean energy vehicle market include Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co and Great Wall Motor. But they are not concentrating on hybrid technologies only. As Jin says, hybrid vehicles are just the first step in its clean energy strategy, "for hybrid is well known to the public and easily accepted by the market".

Jin, however, concedes that hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are the best answer to the problem now, even though it's difficult for automakers to produce them on a mass scale because of the high cost and technological constraints. Chery, however, is developing electric and other car models.

Great Wall has already begun four projects, including the use of methanol to run cars. All the projects are likely to be completed by next year.

But all the automakers hope the government would come up with policies to boost the demand for new energy vehicles, instead of just encouraging R&D. "After automakers commercialize the new energy vehicles, the government should encourage consumers to buy them by offering favorable taxation. That could help China's new energy auto dream become a reality," says analyst Zhong Shi.

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Rhetorical doublespeak?

Thanks Mememe for the latest "Official Government" update.
Before I label the article a thinly masked attempt to cover up business as usual (i.e. allowing the major automakers to dictate the terms based on the most lucrative current economic practices, which are beneficial only to themselves and oil company partners -rather than- the government setting the standards for the realities of its' citizens future health, that are beneficial to everyone in China/on Earth), I'd like to know why: A. EVs (now with wheel hub motors and better batteries- making them the best current design option) were barely mentioned as viable alternatives that create "Zero" pollution at the tailpipe! B. Exactly what the standards for the new edict, to take effect next month, are? C. Does the policy include a concrete date for "Zero" tailpipe emissions vehicles in the near future?
If any of our members could find and post the details of these new standards- I'm sure we'd all like to see them.

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Take a hybrid cab this August, thanks to the Olympic Games!

With China pushing the Olympic Games as being ‘the greenest ever’ various car makers have chipped in with hybrid or hydrogen powered vehicles for Olympic fleet use, outside of the Olympics some taxi drivers have upgraded their cars to hybrid models. Hopefully to give themselves better fuel economy, and to help passengers think they are doing their bit by taking a green cab.

The Changan CV11 is in service in Beijing:

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