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According to a new study by the Spanish Institute of Oceanography - Climate Change in the Spanish Mediterranean - the Mediterranean Sea could be on course to rise half a meter (20 inches) in the next 50 years. Sea levels have been rising since the 1970s with the rate of increase growing in recent years - between 2.5mm and 10mm (0.1 and 0.4in) per year since the 1990s.

Global warming is to blame, with water expanding as it warms and melting ice adding to the pot.

Try to visit Venice (elevation 0.0) before it finally succumbs to the waves.

China is now the third largest producer of motor vehicles in the world behind Japan and the US. In 2006 more than 7 million cars, trucks and whatever rolled off Chinese production lines. About the same were sold there. Japan and the US each saw over 11 million vehicles produced.

Are you alarmed that this new automotive powerhouse will flood the world with inexpensive cars while contributing to the flooding of low lying areas around the Mediterranean?

Maybe, but maybe you need not be. China could be on route to becoming the world’s capital of green vehicles. Think hybrids, plug-in hybrids and pure electric vehicles, but not necessarily biofuel-powered.

Though without connections to officials within the Chinese government it’s hard to determine what their thinking is regarding green vehicles, but it’s easy to imagine minimal support for ethanol or biodiesel. After all, they’ve got 1.3 billion mouths to feed all living on a patch of land the size of the US. There may not be much arable land to devote to significant biofuel production. Food comes before fuel.

Further, there’s the air pollution issue. China has some real problems in that regard. Biofueled cars and trucks are a little cleaner than petroleum-fueled but they still pollute. A high population with the potential of more vehicles than the US means that the cleanest possible vehicles must be chosen.

China is not a democracy even though their industry is more and more market-driven like the US. But they are unlike US industry, which has special interests constantly looking for handouts and favors from politicians all too willing to comply, China can just tell it’s industry what to do. They must comply: no argument. A guess is that electric drive of some fashion is the eventual choice.

Already at least four Chinese car makers are developing hybrids, plug-in hybrids or pure electric vehicles - Geely, Chery, SAIC, and BYD. All are near launching to at least Chinese markets.

Details are slim on the promised product offerings. Here are some tidbits.

--- SAIC Motor Corporation, China’s leading car maker by sales volume, is building a demonstration fleet of what it is calling “new energy vehicles.”

For the “new energy” vehicles - could be hybrid or fuel cell - lithium-ion batteries are being supplied by a joint venture of Johnson Controls and Saft. The batteries will be produced in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, thus a rare export item for the US. The batteries will be installed in demonstration vehicles in early 2008.

--- Chery Automobile is building a hybrid to be launched in the second half of 2008. It will have nickel metal hydride (NiMH) batteries also supplied by Johnson Controls and Saft, but this time manufactured in France, developed in the US and integrated with Chinese help into vehicles in China.

--- BYD Auto (Build Your Dreams) is presenting its dual-mode F6 DM (cover graphic) at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. Dual-mode means all-electric or hybrid drive take your pick. The company says the car has an all-electric driving range of 60 miles driving at highway speeds of 60 mph. The company hopes to start selling DM-enabled vehicles in North America within three to five years.

In the F6 DM a 1.0-liter engine drives a generator as a range-extender, or works in parallel hybrid mode, in which the engine and electric motor both provide propulsion. It’s a plug-in hybrid too and can be recharged fully by a 220 household outlet in about 9 hours. Total range in and out of various modes is a little under 300 miles.

The company thinks their technology will be the one copied by others around the world. Could be. It’s very similar to the Chevrolet Volt concept. The company is only about 12 years old.

--- Finally, Geely is said to be developing a variety of hybrid cars in five years - mild, light, moderate and full hybrid-electric cars - any sauce you like.

So, China may be bringing to world markets, and for itself, much more than conventional cars. It may bring a greater offering of fuel efficient cars than is now available. After all, Shanghai is low to the waterline too. The largest city of the People's Republic of China and the eighth largest in the world is only 13 feet above sea level, much of it lower than that.
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FAW Group to roll out 1,600 hybrid cars by 2012

February 26, 2009
Shanghai, February 26 ( FAW Group said it has planned to roll out 1,600 hybrid cars and 800 hybrid buses by 2012, by which time its hybrid vehicle manufacturing base will already start operation, the Beijing Times reported Thursday.

The Changchun-based automaker said its hybrid car facility will have an annual capacity of 11,000 hybrid cars and 1,000 buses by 2012.

FAW said it will increase its spending for research and development (R&D) by 61.45% to 4.23 billion yuan ($619 million) this year despite the financial crisis.

Preciously, the company launched road tests of 12 city hybrid buses in Dalian city in northeastern China's Liaoning province, and another 88 new-energy buses will be added to the city's bus fleet afterwards.

China's central government said last month that it will subsidize purchases of clean-energy vehicles for public service fleets in 13 cities and will provide 10 billion yuan over the next three years to automakers to help update their technology and develop alternative energy vehicles.

Expecting such policy support, several other Chinese auto makers have already launched major plans to make green vehicles. SAIC Motor Corp said last November that it would set up a venture with its state-owned parent to invest 2 billion yuan in developing hybrid and electric vehicles.

In January 2008, SAIC's car venture with General Motors rolled out its first locally produced hybrid car and said it planned to introduce fuel-cell vehicles into China after 2010.

BYD Co launched a plug-in hybrid car F3DM, China's first homegrown electric vehicle, at the end of last year.
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Alliance of new energy automotives founded in Beijing


An alliance of new energy automotives was founded Friday in Beijing with the aim of promoting the research and development of the vehicles.

Initiated by groups like the Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Corp, Beijing Bus Group and Beijing Institute of Technology, the Alliance of Beijing New Energy Automotives is a non-profit organization with more than 300 members.

The organization is primarily based on the Beijing New Energy Automotive Design and Manufacture Base set up in December last year at Beiqi Foton Motor Co Ltd. The 66-hectare base, with a total investment of 5 billion yuan ($732 million), currently has a production capacity of 5,000 new energy buses and 400,000 highly efficient, energy-saving engines annually.

Zhao Jingguang, the alliance's secretary-general and deputy Communist Party chief of Beiqi Foton Motor, said the organization shoulders a great historical mission in contributing to the development of China's new energy automotive industry.

Beiqi Foton's hybrid buses have already started massive production. During the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the company's zero-emission and pollution-free fuel cell buses were also used to improve air quality.
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China takes on America in electric car race

24 Mar 2009

China is taking on America in the race to develop cheaper low-emission cars, with a £1.5 billion boost for Chinese electric cars over the next three years.

The investment, which demonstrates a new commitment in China towards developing cleaner energy, almost matches the £1.6bn announced by President Barack Obama last week for US companies to develop plug-in vehicles.

Under the plan, China hopes to produce 500,000 electric and hybrid cars a year by 2011 and will encourage city governments, airport taxi firms and official cars to take up subsidies of up to £50,000 on fleets of new vehicles.

While still only a small fraction – 5 per cent – of the nearly 10 million new cars entering China's road each year, industry insiders said Beijing's plan marked an important shift of emphasis towards green technology in China's car industry.

A major clean-energy expo containing the latest hybrid and electric cars held in Beijing this week was attended by both China's prime minister, Wen Jiabao, and President Hu Jintao in a symbol of support for greener technologies.

"Even under the huge pressure of the current economic conditions, the Chinese government will still focus on emission reduction and new energy development," said Wan Gang, director of China's science and technology ministry.

Although China's car industry still lags behind the Japanese and American in terms of technology, some Chinese companies are leading the way in the development of the batteries needed to power the next generation of electric vehicles.

Announcing the US attempts to jump-start research into better electric cars last week, Mr Obama admitted that US companies were behind many of their international rivals and called on American researches to catch up. Mr Obama has called on the US to double its supply of renewable energy in the next three years and has said he would like to see 1 million hybrid cars on America's roads by 2015.

In December a Chinese company BYD (Build Your Dreams) Auto stunned the car industry when it unveiled a new battery technology which, according to some estimates, was two years ahead of its nearest competitor, Toyota.

The company, which has received a £150m investment from Warren Buffett, the billionaire financier, is at the forefront of China's drive use green technology to leap-frog to forefront of the global car industry.

Earlier this year at the Detroit motor show, BYD promised to launch a pure-battery vehicle in the US and Europe by 2011 with a range of 250 miles, a performance claim which stunned the industry, but has not been verified.

BYD, which started life making laptop and mobile phone batteries but has now diversified into cars, welcomed the new investment as an important step in the right direction for China.

"I think that this investment plan says that the [Chinese] government is now very serious about green technologies," a company spokesman, Xu An, told The Telegraph.

However, he cautioned that the Chinese government also needed to do more to increase the numbers of electric vehicles in China's already smog-choked cities if it wanted to reduce emissions at home.

Unless China offered substantial subsidies to private individuals there would not be mass take-up of hybrid or electric cars at time when BYD's latest model costs £14,800 - almost 50 per cent more than an equivalent petrol or diesel saloon.
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If I'm not mistaken the particular BYD model coming to the States in 2011 that has the 250-mile range is the e6. I have my eye on that model from BYD. I happen to like it's simple, free-flowing body design and also what appears to be a lot of interior room for passenger comfort.

If priced intelligently BYD could sell a mess of e6's in the U.S.
BYD encouraged by gov't green car commitment

April 10, 2009

Build Your Dreams (BYD) Auto Chief Wang Chuanfu has welcomed the Chinese government’s policy of subsidizing green cars that will be implemented in the second half of this year.

Speaking to the South China Morning Post, Chuanfu stated that sales of green cars will be lifted if the government’s policy can extend to individual customers. He believes that the government should subsidise as much as 30,000 Yuan for the cost of each car that runs on an alternative powertrain in an effort to encourage sales.

The Chinese government has agreed to a series of measures intended to boost auto market demand. It has already announced a tax cut of five per cent for vehicles with engines below 1.6 litres and offers subsidies for rural residents buying greener cars. Now its latest stimulus package involves a $1.5billion research subsidy plan over three years for car manufacturers to improve their electric vehicle technology.

The aim for China is to produce 500,000 new energy vehicles this year and increase the sales of the cars which currently account for around five per cent of overall market sales. Chinese automakers are expected to narrow the gap to their foreign counterparts.

Several manufacturers have already announced plans to make green cars while BYD Auto and Chery Auto have launched green vehicles of their own.

BYD began selling its F3DM hybrid electric car in December last year. It is capable of travelling 62 miles on electric power only and the company plans to release two more electric models before the end of 2009.

Chery Auto meanwhile rolled out its own plug-in electric car model, the Chery S18, in February this year with a 150km range on a single charge.
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Test drive by an Australian journalist of the BYD F3 Hybrid:
IN my opinion, China will have the clear advantage here - why? Simple.....China's economy is not nearly as dependent on big oil companies as America is. America's auto industry is so entrenched in combustion engine technology that it will take some time to wean itself away from it - not to mention powerful oil company lobbyists in Washington D.C. fighting this all the way (trying to retain as much money and profit as they can obviously). China, on the other hand has a fairly "new" auto industry in comparison - one that is not so entrenched in any particular technology but developing MANY different kinds of concepts simultaneously. We're seeing pure electric vehicles, hybrids, hydrogen combustion engines and others being developed all at the same time - with little or no interference from the chinese oil industry. Add to this the support that the chinese government is showing the auto companies for green technology and it adds up to a clear advantage for China. It IS refreshing to see the Obama administration earmarking a SIGNIFICANT amount of money to developing green technology - but we won't see the results of this for 4-5 that time companies like BYD, Chery, Geely, SAIC, Changan and others will ALL have hybrid/electric cars on the roads in China in mass and available to the individual consumer. BYD in particular will have several hybrid/electric models on american roads as well, and I don't know if the american auto industry can respond that fast to build something that can compete with the F3DM or the E6. Is the american auto industry doomed? No......but it better be ready for some intense competition when it comes to hybrid/electric technology. :nod:
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jmsteiny-man, I am with you on that comment. I have two all-electrics in mine for a possible purchase(if my wife can be convinced...there's my tough part!!) is the 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore BlueCar, said to be priced at around $25,000USD. The other is none other than BYD of China's e6. The e6 is rumoured to be priced at about $28,000USD. I have done my homework on these two pups, and the BYD e6 is the front-runner for me because of it's range of 249 miles. I just finished writing a large article on the electric bikes from China thread on this website, so jmsteiny I encourage you to read that post and please feel free to comment on it.

I underwent some sort of carnut's new world order transformation in late
2007. The ridiculously high oil and gasoline prices we pay got me to wanting off of the bandwagon completely.

It has been argued that the carbon "footprint" is just as high to build all-electric cars, because of the dependence on the coal-fired energy to generate electricity. And the pollution from those coal-fired plants. That is true, but, until cleaner methods of producing electricity are made, doesn't it make sense to eliminate one at a time cars with ICE's that pollute?

And it's the "volatility" of the gasoline market that is really absurd. Talk about gouging the consumers. It's nuts. ExxonMobil makes a 4th Q profit of $43B large, and the public just swallows it hook, line and sinker? No outrage?

Should gasoline cost about $1.15 a gallon for regular unleaded, then? That's not a good option any more for powering our cars. BYD and Pininfarina-Bollore have made electric cars for the masses with the e6 and BlueCar. Some might say the BYD e6's pricing is a bit high. With the $7,500 rebate and some time, the gas money savings will translate to overall cost-of-car-ownership savings.

And all-electric cars are built with less to go wrong, because they have many less parts to them. BYD released a statement which said that their e6 has 2,000+ parts built in, while their Honda Accord-sized car has over 14,000 parts built in, it's that ICE once again rearing it's ugly head.
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China to speed up new-energy car commercialization

April 27, 2009

Shanghai, April 27 ( China will speed up its research and development (R&D) and commercialization of the eco-friendly new-energy vehicles, said a sci-tech official recently, reported today.

China's auto industry is also facing energy, environmental and financial challenges, which make it urgent for China to develop alternative energy vehicles, said Wan Gang, minister of Science and Technology, at the groundbreaking ceremony of Wanxiang Group's electric car and lithium battery production base in east China.

As part of the auto industry stimulus plans unveiled earlier the year, the Chinese government started on January 20 to cut the purchase tax on low-emission cars with engines of 1.6L or below, subsidize auto purchases in rural areas and promote sales of eco-friendly new energy vehicles, which have effectively stimulated auto sales in the first quarter.

The auto sales recovery shows that the market is in favor of a clean development of auto industry, according to the minister.

Based in Hangzhou city, capital of east China's Zhejiang province, Wangxiang Group is a giant auto-parts manufacturer, also the only enterprise producing both key parts and powertrain systems for electric vehicles in China.

Its production base, also a trial operation base for new energy vehicles, has got another investment of 1.365 billion yuan ($200 million), with annual capacity of 1,000 commercial electric vehicles and one-billion-watt-hour lithium batteries by 2010.
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China to lead the way in electric cars, says Bain


China is set to become the world's largest producer of environment-friendly cars within 10 years, largely due to the central government's backing and the domestic car makers' ambitions to push electric vehicles, according to business consulting firm Bain & Company.

The country is set to dominate the battery-powered car segment as the government has aggressively pushed for technology development, which in turn will breed more early adopters, said Marc Lamure, partner, Bain.

The State Council issued a plan in March aimed at turning China into a global leader in new energy cars, including electric ones, by 2011 with an annual production capacity of 500,000 units.

"Electric vehicles are a big opportunity for domestic carmakers to compete with foreign brands, which still lead in the gasoline-powered vehicle segment. The government push will propel Chinese players into the big league," said Serge J Hoffmann, partner, Bain.

Lamure feels that it would be easier for Chinese low-cost vehicle makers to switch over to electric vehicles than their international counterparts.

According to Bain's recent survey of 500 car owners across China's large cities during the fourth quarter last year, budget-conscious "cost shoppers" are the major segment (60 percent).

This compares with the mature car markets in Europe, America, Japan, and South Korea, where affluent customers constitute the majority (around 55 percent on average).

The study showed Chinese shoppers had stronger requirements on price, recharging time, and socket availability, but had less demands on car developers and appearance.

"At the end of day, it will be a price game, in which volumes matter. If an electric vehicle's price is within 100,000 yuan, its sales will reach 200,000 units over time, according to our survey," Hoffmann said.

Bain estimated that global electric vehicle sales could cross the 1.5 million mark soon, depending on the supply capacity and technology development.

A number of Chinese carmakers have scheduled to introduce electric vehicle models in the next 18 months. Prominent among them are market leader BYD's E6 scheduled for launch next year with a price tag of 250,000 yuan. Chery's S18 is also likely to debut with a tag of 70,000 yuan.

The survey, however, indicated issues like battery technology and support infrastructure, still need to be strengthened before electric vehicles take off.
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Interesting article. The fact that Chinese automakers, one of them being BYD, view electric powertrain vehicles as a step study project if you will, in which they can "catch up" with American, Japanese, Korean and European automakers. I find it fascinating, and I think that electric rigs are a big part of what attracts me to this website. I had a feeling this would happen, and I am very glad that BYD is building the e6.

I'll be following the BYD e6's development like Gary Payton on Michael Jordan in the 1996 NBA basketball Finals between the Seattle Supersonics and Chicago Bulls. Good and heady stuff, eh?
Gearing up for green auto era


A woman inside a gas-efficient mini car made by Great Wall Motor Co.[Asianewsphoto]

A ceremony took place in the Bulgarian city of Lovech on May 11 to mark the opening of a joint venture auto plant run by China's Great Wall Motor Company and Bulgaria's Litex Motors producing environmentally friendly vehicles.

Bulgarian media reported that the plant has an initial investment of 80 million euros and is expected to produce Great Wall's Florid cars and Hover SUVs. According to Sofia News Agency, this project will initially create 1,000 new jobs.

The growing popularity of environmentally friendly and cheap cars in the world offers excellent opportunities, and Great Wall is among the first Chinese firms to tap into this potential in an overseas market.

China hopes to see 60,000 energy-saving and new energy vehicles on its roads by 2012, among which various kinds of hybrids will account for over 95 percent, said Wan Gang, minister of science and technology.

So far, 10 kinds of new energy vehicles have been granted production licenses, and a batch of new energy vehicles including zero-emission electric vehicles will appear on the market.

Wan said that the Ministry of Science and Technology, together with the Ministry of Finance, the National Development and Reform Commission and the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, has launched a national energy-saving, new energy vehicle demonstration project.

The project's 13 pilot cities will promote the use of new energy vehicles, mainly hybrids, for public transport, taxis, official business, municipal administration, postal services and other forms of public transport. In some big cities, the ministry will promote electric and fuel cell vehicles.

As the Chairman of the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council (SASAC) Supervision Board Ji Xiaonan pointed out, judging from the development plan of the world's major automobile manufacturers, the new energy vehicle era will arrive earlier than expected.

Low-emission hybrid electric vehicles have already entered the phase of large-scale industrialization. Over one million hybrid vehicles have already been sold globally, while the mass production of zero-emission vehicles will be realized in 2015, a decade earlier than originally expected.

Ouyang Minggao, expert leader of the Energy Saving and new energy auto project of the National Hi-tech R&D Program (863 Program) predicted that China would develop hybrid, electric and fuel cell vehicles.

According to the Shanghai Securities News, China will offer 43,000 yuan in subsidies to hybrid car buyers in the southwestern city of Chongqing, the first such initiative for private cars.

The subsidy, from the local government, will be given for the Jiexun brand hybrid sedan made by Chongqing Changan Automobile Co, People's Daily Online said.

According to Reuters calculations, the subsidy, including the waiving of 7,000 yuan in road fees for three years, is equivalent to a 31 percent discount for the hybrid sedan.

The hybrid Jiexun, priced at 140,000 yuan, has already received some orders and will hit the market as early as June, the newspaper said, citing Ren Yong, deputy chief of Changan's clean energy auto subsidiary unit.

China pledged in February to subsidize purchases of clean-energy vehicles for public fleets in 13 cities as it moves to help its auto industry develop green technologies.

Under the trial scheme public transport operators, taxi firms and postal and sanitary services in cities such as Beijing and Shanghai, will get rebates of 28,000 yuan to 250,000 yuan for green vehicles, including electric, hybrid and fuel-cell vehicles.

Late last year, the Chongqing government ordered 10 Jiexuns from Changan and set a target to increase the number of hybrid vehicles in the city's public sector to 1,000 in three years.

Reuters - CBW News
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China pushes for greener vehicles through subsidies.

Auto components supplier Honeywell (famous for Garrett turbos) have signed an MoU with ChangAn Automotive for the two companies to jointly develop micro-turbochargers. Honeywell’s definition of micro-turbochargers are small turbochargers designed for use with two-cylinder or three-cylinder engines, especially diesel engines, designed to make those engines more driveable when installed in low cost and fuel efficient compact cars.

The Chinese government have called for car manufacturers to produce more energy-efficent vehicles and equipping cars with downsized force inducted engines are one way to increase a car’s efficiency. China has recently announced a government subsidy scheme where the government will subsidise up to 50,000 yuan (RM25.8k) for hybrid cars and up to 60,000 yuan (RM31k) for electric cars.

There are currently only 5 vehicles on this list with more being evaluated and added soon – the IVECO electric service vehicle, JAC’s electricity engineering electric vehicle for city electricity system maintenance and repairing, Zotye’s electric light bus, BYD’s F3DM hybrid car and JMC Transit’s electric service vehicle. 4 out of 5 are commercial vehicles, and with the huge manufacturing/industrial sectors in China perhaps its for the best that these vehicles get plenty of attention.

BYD is really quite happy about this as they’re the only consumer passenger sedan that qualifies for the subsidy so far. BYD confirms that their F3DM qualifies for the full 50,000 yuan subsidy, and the car will officially go on sale beginning September. The F3DM is a plug-in hybrid which means that even though it is a hybrid, it can be recharged through a wall plug, thus you may never really need to start up its combustion engine if you use it for short trips.

BYD is becoming a big brand when it comes to green tech in China. It recently won a contract to supply fellow chinese automaker SAIC with lithium ion batteries. Its li-ion batteries are based on iron phosphate and are self-developed. BYD claims they can be recharged over 2,000 times and have an estimated lifespan of over 600,000km. Warren Buffet should definitely be happy about all of this – analysts estimate his Berkshire Hathaway’s investment in BYD has already made 430% in just under a year.

In Malaysia all that we have to encourage more efficient vehicles are the prospect of saving on road tax costs and a temporary rebate on hybrid vehicles under 2.0 liters in displacement. When the new NAP review is announced by the end of September this year, we will see if there is anything regarding green technology. There are currently only two hybrid cars on sale in Malaysia through official channels – the Honda Civic Hybrid and the Toyota Prius.

Most of you will be waiting for any indication of lower car prices but while MITI says import duties for ASEAN countries would be removed from January 1st 2010, it has hinted that we could potentially not see any kind of reduction in car prices that can make an impact in our buying experiences as vehicle prices are “subject to market forces which are influenced by factors such as the price of local and imported (CKD) components, forex, transportation cost, insurance and interest rates.”
Eco-friendly cars should be most promoted, I believe, eventually they just not only useful for people as well as for our environment. I find the BYD fascinating as well.
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