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Real_I_Hate_China said:
The less Chinese parts you have, the better.
Honda Accord, according to the Vice CEO of Guangzhou Honda Automobile's speech in December 2005's PKU Business Review Yearly Conference, has a "Chinese Parts Rate" of 96%.

http://biz.163.com/05/1220/15/25E6N6B700020QDS.html

It has contiunously been the No.1 bestseller of medium sedan in China. Despite of the Anti-Japanese protest/sentiment, in the year 2005 alone 113,999 China made Accord are sold in China and it generally enjoys a very high reputation in reliablity.

Beijing Hyundai SONATA, with it's 68% Chinese parts, still suffer from relatively poor reputation in China and can't sell even its price is much lower than Accord.

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You don't make a claim by your blind assessment, you talk by numbers.

Malay cars? I am sorry in China there are very very few, if not "NONE", Malay cars. Since you "know" they are better and more reliable than Chinese cars, maybe you can be one of the first malay car importers and make some money outta it. bonne chance :lol:
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Well, no wonder Honda doesn't export its Chinese Accord.
lol, jmsteiny said all


Real_I_Hate_China said:
Poor reputation my ass. Hyundai as a brand is extremely competitive, they are running out of capacity and is madly building up the capacity to 1 million/year to meet the demand.
Competitive my ass in CHINA, it can't sell.

Only those who can't afford an Accord/Camry but want a car of similar size would actually buy a SONATA in China 'coz it's like 5,000 US dollars cheaper than an Accord of which the sales number is like 3~4 times larger.



Real_I_Hate_China said:
The fact that best selling Hyundai is Elantra(The best selling car in China in 2005) and not Sonata simply reflects the income level of Hyundai's primary market, the relatively poorer region around Beijing as opposed to wealthier southern coast region where Honda is located.
The best selling car in China in 2005 is NOT Elantra. I remember I've corrected you once and you don't seem to want to admit it.

The fact is, if those people who bought Elantra had enough money to spend on their cars, they would choose an Accord or Passat.

The reason why Elantra was a success in 2005 is because it did not have enough competitors like Civic which is imported and sells more expensive than a SONATA.


Real_I_Hate_China said:
Actually Proton was already in the US in the 80s and was driven out of market due to poor quality. This was the fate of Malay cars that have higher quality than Chinese cars.
Like I really care.
 

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I remembered it that I've read about an article of Beijing Hyundai was trying to export near 20,000 SONATA to Russia...

While in the same time, you need to pay an extra of 3,000 US dollars than the recommended price of Guangzhou Honda to be able to get an Accord, if you don't want to wait for like a year to receive your key.

Apparently, SONATA can't sell in China. ;)

Who is trying to block up China's auto exports gate

On October 20, 2004, Beijing Hyundai Motor Co. declared its plan of exporting 19,000 Sonata entire cars to Russia was at risk of abortion. It also disclosed that the causation rested on its car model supplier—Hyundai Motor Co. in South Korea (HMC).

Russia is one of the main exporting destinations for HMC but the export of Beijing Hyundai products to Russia is surely to bring a tremendous impact on a series of HMC's current products. Compared with HMC, the labor cost of Beijing Hyundai is much lower, and its price enjoys an absolute advantage in comparison to HMC's similar products.
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the whole story:
http://en.ce.cn/Insight/200412/30/t20041230_2715728.shtml
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Then you must be crying to see streets of Beijing flooded with Hyundais.
Yeah, flooded with Hyundai cabs of course, only cab companies are buying Hyundais.


Real_I_Hate_China said:
No, people of coastal cities buy cars made near them, namely Honda.
People of Beijing buy cars made near them, namely Hyundai.

And the fact that southern region tend to be wealthier than northern region affect which types of car they buy. For example, Honda Civic is doing horribly in China right now(~200 cars/month), inspite of it being the most competitive Honda product. The fact that best selling Honda is the Accord and the best selling Hyundai is Elantra simply reflects the income level of primary buyers in their respective regions.
You do have a point there, but the fact that Beijing, as the capital city of China, is one of China's wealthiest cities maybe after Shanghai. The income level in Beijing is not that low, people make almost as much as those in Shanghai or Guangzhou regardless of the fact that the surrounding areas of Beijing are relatively less developped than their southern counterparts. There are quite many people are buying Hyundai products in Beijing and all over China too.

You do not know the situation in China, the reason CIVIC is doing horribly is because there was NO China made CIVIC before 2006; each CIVIC imported costs almost as much as a Guangzhou made Accord, more expensive than SONATA. That's the reason it can't compete with other domestic brands like Elantra or GM Excelle which are like 5,000~7,000 USD cheaper. Only those hardcore Japan Honda fans, or those who got their heads hit on the door, would spend 25,000 USD on a CIVIC.

Civic is being produced this year in Dongfeng Honda's plant. if the price is not too crazy, the quality and reliabilty is decent, it's gonna hit the Elantra's sales' number for sure.

Real_I_Hate_China said:
More like they will simply upgrade to next Hyundai, namely NF yuxiang. But it will be a number of years before the personal income level of northern region catches up to southern coastal region.
Then why did those in Beijing who could afford a Hyundai NF yuxiang did not spend the money on a Hyundai? you remind me of the fact that Hyundai NF is doing even much much worse than its brother SONATA.

The Hyundai NF debuted in China last september, Beijing Hyundai only managed to sell 2,700 of them by the end of 2005. even more horrible than the SONATA. WHY? because it doesn't even have the price advantage against Accord. You really think you are of the same league with Honda Accord? Chinese car buys don't think so, those who can afford a car of 25,000 USD will definetly choose a Japanese/European car than the SONATA/NF, especially in China because there are plenty of candidates to choose from.

We are NOT Korean, we do not love the brand "Hyundai". Chinese love to buy European or Japanese cars like Volkswagen or Honda, and a Hyundai costs as much as an Accord? lol, no way they are buying it. that's why the current position of SONATA/NF is so embarrassing.



Real_I_Hate_China said:
Yes you should. That's the fate of Chinese cars in developed markets.
Are you saying you are one of those fortune tellers who live on their cristal balls? :lol:
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
What's so strange about Tiggo's posting is that he refuses to talk about competitiveness of Chinese vehicles, instead prefering to debate which foreign vehicle is better, which doesn't concern Chinese auto industry in anyway what so ever.
I didn't know you would actually complain about something other than "crapiness" of Chinese cars. I am not interested in personal assessment, I believe in NUMBERS.

You want competitiveness? you got the sale's number in Beijing.

This is the latest online sale's number of Beijing Yayun automobile market, one of the most important car vending centers in China's capital.

From 15th may to 21st may, 2006. The center sold a total of 598 cars last week, of which Beijing Hyundai only got 13 cars and Chery ranked 2nd by a number of 50.



http://www.beiyacheshi.com/yycMarket/default.asp

China's automobile industry info board (reliable): sale's number of April 2006 in China.

GZ Honda Accord: 13,197

SH VW Passat: 10,616

Dongfeng Peugeot 307: 4,783

1st VW Bora: 4,002


BJ Hyundai NF:1,329
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
You and I understand this but Tiggo dude doesn't, that's the problem.
Hooooo, look who's talking. A minute ago you were asking stupid questions like this

Real_I_Hate_China said:
Well, no wonder Honda doesn't export its Chinese Accord.
and now you talk as if it were actually you who had signed that contract.
 
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