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ah, stars don't matter... what was the speed in this crash-test - that should be the the key question...?
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as i write before, test was done according to homologation regulation in Europe, R94-01, speed of test was 56 km/h, i am quite sure that there will not be any problems with 64 km/h as well as hover already got A-ncap test in australia, which was done at speed 64 km/h, hover in australia got 4 star rating, but it was old model
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I wrote it, because chinese stars differed from european.
I mean, CNCAP had different speed in their crash-rests, so we couldn't compare CNCAP and Euro-NCAP as identical.
After all, including last micodelija's reply, Hover H5 had a quite impressive result.
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Interesting commentary in Automotive News
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Some Chinese brands compete nicely with the big players on giant stage
Yang Jian / Automotive News / 2011-7-29
SHANGHAI -- At a time when General Motors, Volkswagen and other global automakers are making big investments in China, it's easy to be pessimistic about the prospects of China's domestic companies.
For example, Chery and BYD, China's top-selling domestic brands, are both struggling to stabilize sales and market share.
Chinese consumers have noticed the trend, according to a report this month from the market research firm Gasgoo. More than 70 percent of Gasgoo's respondents said independent Chinese brands face the risk of being wiped out.
China's domestic automakers have lost market share due to poor brand images and weak technology. But their hardships should not blind us to the fact that some Chinese brands are holding up remarkably well.
One such company is Great Wall Motor Co., which has relentlessly pursued better quality. It is the first Chinese company to certify its products for sale in the European Union.
In 2009, Great Wall won approval to sell an SUV, pickup and two sedans in the EU. Last year, a Great Wall executive told me the company knew that EU certification would force it to improve quality.
Meanwhile, Great Wall has kept its product development focused tightly on a few profitable niches: SUVs and pickups. And while competitors like Chery launched a confusing welter of new brands, Great Wall eliminated nameplates and consolidated all of its car models under the Voleex brand.
These efforts have brought ample rewards. In the first six months of 2011, Great Wall sold more than 178,000 vehicles, up 47 percent year-on-year. The company's net profit for the period jumped approximately 80 percent.
Another canny operator is Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., the independent automaker that purchased Volvo Car Corp. last year.
The company is phasing out inexpensive models under the Geely brand while it introduces better products under new brands.
The plan appears to be working. While overall sales in the first six months fell 13 percent, sales of the Emgrand EC7 sedan have averaged a healthy 8,000 units per month.
The EC7 carries a starting price of 75,800 yuan ($11,800), which allows Geely a decent profit margin.
To be sure, Great Wall and Geely still lag far behind their global rivals on quality and technology. But if they maintain their momentum, they will continue to gain strength and go upscale.
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Some Chinese brands compete nicely with the big players on giant stage
Yang Jian / Automotive News / 2011-7-29
SHANGHAI -- At a time when General Motors, Volkswagen and other global automakers are making big investments in China, it's easy to be pessimistic about the prospects of China's domestic companies.
For example, Chery and BYD, China's top-selling domestic brands, are both struggling to stabilize sales and market share.
Chinese consumers have noticed the trend, according to a report this month from the market research firm Gasgoo. More than 70 percent of Gasgoo's respondents said independent Chinese brands face the risk of being wiped out.
China's domestic automakers have lost market share due to poor brand images and weak technology. But their hardships should not blind us to the fact that some Chinese brands are holding up remarkably well.
One such company is Great Wall Motor Co., which has relentlessly pursued better quality. It is the first Chinese company to certify its products for sale in the European Union.
In 2009, Great Wall won approval to sell an SUV, pickup and two sedans in the EU. Last year, a Great Wall executive told me the company knew that EU certification would force it to improve quality.
Meanwhile, Great Wall has kept its product development focused tightly on a few profitable niches: SUVs and pickups. And while competitors like Chery launched a confusing welter of new brands, Great Wall eliminated nameplates and consolidated all of its car models under the Voleex brand.
These efforts have brought ample rewards. In the first six months of 2011, Great Wall sold more than 178,000 vehicles, up 47 percent year-on-year. The company's net profit for the period jumped approximately 80 percent.
Another canny operator is Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., the independent automaker that purchased Volvo Car Corp. last year.
The company is phasing out inexpensive models under the Geely brand while it introduces better products under new brands.
The plan appears to be working. While overall sales in the first six months fell 13 percent, sales of the Emgrand EC7 sedan have averaged a healthy 8,000 units per month.
The EC7 carries a starting price of 75,800 yuan ($11,800), which allows Geely a decent profit margin.
To be sure, Great Wall and Geely still lag far behind their global rivals on quality and technology. But if they maintain their momentum, they will continue to gain strength and go upscale.
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I'm impressed with Great Wall's progress. But I urge them to grow carefully. The current models still need refining. Look at the "fit" of the plastic interior parts in every H3/H5 (instrument panel and center console). Many seams are not flush. It's a simple manufacturing problem, but it has not been addressed. Get the H3/H5 right, before moving forward to new products (H6). Experience correcting the ongoing assembly flaws of the H3/H5 will benefit the H6 and other new models.
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GW has launched a second version of the Kia CRDi-based 4D20 (2.0VGT) called the 4D20B. Unlike the 4D20 which uses a Borg-Warner variable geometry turbocharger (VGT), the 4D20B uses a Shanghai MHI wastegate turbocharger. The EGR system and intercooling are understood to be different as well. It seems the 4D20B, which produces 10 less kW than the 4D20 ([email protected] versus [email protected] / 136HP versus 150HP), will be offered with the 6-speed manual, while the 4D20 will continue to be paired with the Hyundai/Kia 5R35 5-speed automatic transmission.
The reduced power appears to be an effort to solve the clutch and transmission problems occuring with 6-speed manual-equipped H5 2.0VGT. The torque rating for both the 4D20 and 4D20B is still reported to be the same - 310 N.m at 1800-2800rpm.
GW feels the VGT is more suitable for the automatic. But, since most medium and heavy trucks now feature VGT with manual (or AMT) transmissions, I can't agree that VGT isn't suitable for the 6-speed transmission if it and the clutch have a rated torque capacity in excess of the engine's 310N.m
The conclusion is, GW needs to use a higher quality 6-speed manual transmission and clutch assembly. For now, the Hyundai/Kia 5R35 5-speed automatic transmission is the only safe choice, although some customers will not be satisfied with the available low-speed power when the air conditioning is turned on.
The reduced power appears to be an effort to solve the clutch and transmission problems occuring with 6-speed manual-equipped H5 2.0VGT. The torque rating for both the 4D20 and 4D20B is still reported to be the same - 310 N.m at 1800-2800rpm.
GW feels the VGT is more suitable for the automatic. But, since most medium and heavy trucks now feature VGT with manual (or AMT) transmissions, I can't agree that VGT isn't suitable for the 6-speed transmission if it and the clutch have a rated torque capacity in excess of the engine's 310N.m
The conclusion is, GW needs to use a higher quality 6-speed manual transmission and clutch assembly. For now, the Hyundai/Kia 5R35 5-speed automatic transmission is the only safe choice, although some customers will not be satisfied with the available low-speed power when the air conditioning is turned on.
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I found this news on several Chinese language websites.
Naturally, the Chinese consumers that prefer manual transmissions are upset that 6-speed equipped H5 2.0VGTs (GW's long-time 5-speed manual isn't available with the 2.0VGT) now get an engine (the 4D20B) that has stepped backward in technology, from a modern Borg Warner VGT to a low-end wastegate turbocharger, that delivers 14 less horsepower. I would respect GW more if they scrapped the Zomax 6-speed transmission and cooperated with a respectable transmission supplier (ie. Getrag) and clutch supplier to resolve the high failure rates.
Naturally, the Chinese consumers that prefer manual transmissions are upset that 6-speed equipped H5 2.0VGTs (GW's long-time 5-speed manual isn't available with the 2.0VGT) now get an engine (the 4D20B) that has stepped backward in technology, from a modern Borg Warner VGT to a low-end wastegate turbocharger, that delivers 14 less horsepower. I would respect GW more if they scrapped the Zomax 6-speed transmission and cooperated with a respectable transmission supplier (ie. Getrag) and clutch supplier to resolve the high failure rates.
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Exactly, My first reaction to H6 launch was - "Oh! they plan to leave H5 as it is without any improvements".
Not necessarily, I doubt they shall leave the old models with the mistakes in them. It is a win-win situation, make money selling old stuff, and learn from it, and also make more money from the new improved models ....
Me tooooo
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hi
thank god finally i have sold this car and i buyed a new suv from jmc motors
name yusheng which used a 2.4 tcdi ford engine
my business i have to travel all around china to meet my customer
i no longer can wait to repair this bad car
now i feel free
narry:thumb:
thank god finally i have sold this car and i buyed a new suv from jmc motors
name yusheng which used a 2.4 tcdi ford engine
my business i have to travel all around china to meet my customer
i no longer can wait to repair this bad car
now i feel free
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pity that you had so much problems with your old car....well i hope that new jmc will be better, maybe it will be good that you present in forum your new car :thumb:
I've been following this thread with interest. Having lived in Shanghai for the past 5 years I've been looking at the development of Chinese cars. The Hover/Haval stood out as a good looking, relatively high quality car and with the option of the 110kw diesel was looking very good option for my first Chinese car.
When I recently went to look at one, I was very disappointed to learn about the new 'B' version engine for the manual- what are they thinking?????
So Narryshenzen, can you let me know how you came to pick the JMC car (looks good, but 90kw from a 2.4 TD engine?) and what others you considered?
When I recently went to look at one, I was very disappointed to learn about the new 'B' version engine for the manual- what are they thinking?????
So Narryshenzen, can you let me know how you came to pick the JMC car (looks good, but 90kw from a 2.4 TD engine?) and what others you considered?
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hello beebop
welcome to forum...well by my opinion it's better to reduce power and solve the problem is there is any or to keep production with problems, also hover is best selling car for 6 years in a row in chinese market and also offer 2.5 tci engine, which is by my opinion very good rate for the car, i drive it several times...and goes quite well, of course if you don't expect to have race car
i have hover cars from 2007 year, but only gasoline versions, if we skip some "children problems" there wasn't any bigger problems with the car, so i can say i am quite satisfied with quality, mainly gwm keep update their cars, almost in every round of new production there is some kind of improvements...so firstly you should check the car
also in china there so so much china suv makers....really big choice is there, so i am quite sure that you will find a car that suit you
welcome to forum...well by my opinion it's better to reduce power and solve the problem is there is any or to keep production with problems, also hover is best selling car for 6 years in a row in chinese market and also offer 2.5 tci engine, which is by my opinion very good rate for the car, i drive it several times...and goes quite well, of course if you don't expect to have race car
i have hover cars from 2007 year, but only gasoline versions, if we skip some "children problems" there wasn't any bigger problems with the car, so i can say i am quite satisfied with quality, mainly gwm keep update their cars, almost in every round of new production there is some kind of improvements...so firstly you should check the car
also in china there so so much china suv makers....really big choice is there, so i am quite sure that you will find a car that suit you
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I saw the JMC Yusheng. Here are my thoughts.
1. I was told 4WD/AWD is not yet available (and I wouldn't want a 2wd SUV).
2. A Jiangling rep told me the Ford 2.4L diesel is imported, and maybe the early engines are, but I read that Ford has licensed Jiangling to produced the now discontinued 1st generation Duratorq (Puma) engine under the model JX4D24.
3. The Ford 2.4L isn't bad, but it's older technology.
4. Power and torque output is less than GW's 2.0VGT (90kW / 290N.m)
5. I was unable to confirm who makes the 5-speed manual transmission.
6. When 4wd/AWD is available, I'd like to know the source of the transfer case, front and rear axles.
7. Automatic transmission is not available.
8. JMC are the people who made the Landwind (a copy of the 1998-2004 Isuzu Rodeo), and I personally feel the quality was poor.
Summary: After the cheap Landwind, I'd like to believe the Yusheng is a significant improvement. But it remains to be seen. I won't waste anymore time looking at the Yusheng until 4WD is available. And finally, I'd argue the exterior of the GW H3 and H5 is more attractive than the Yusheng's somewhat bloated appearance (it does look better in person).
Note: Jiangling is one of Ford's China partners. They build the Transit (previous and current generations). It's possible the Yusheng's 2.4L diesel is the same as the current generation Transit's 2.4L (China production). Ford has had tremendous quality problems over the years at its joint venture plant with Jiangling located in Nanchang, Jiangxi Province.
1. I was told 4WD/AWD is not yet available (and I wouldn't want a 2wd SUV).
2. A Jiangling rep told me the Ford 2.4L diesel is imported, and maybe the early engines are, but I read that Ford has licensed Jiangling to produced the now discontinued 1st generation Duratorq (Puma) engine under the model JX4D24.
3. The Ford 2.4L isn't bad, but it's older technology.
4. Power and torque output is less than GW's 2.0VGT (90kW / 290N.m)
5. I was unable to confirm who makes the 5-speed manual transmission.
6. When 4wd/AWD is available, I'd like to know the source of the transfer case, front and rear axles.
7. Automatic transmission is not available.
8. JMC are the people who made the Landwind (a copy of the 1998-2004 Isuzu Rodeo), and I personally feel the quality was poor.
Summary: After the cheap Landwind, I'd like to believe the Yusheng is a significant improvement. But it remains to be seen. I won't waste anymore time looking at the Yusheng until 4WD is available. And finally, I'd argue the exterior of the GW H3 and H5 is more attractive than the Yusheng's somewhat bloated appearance (it does look better in person).
Note: Jiangling is one of Ford's China partners. They build the Transit (previous and current generations). It's possible the Yusheng's 2.4L diesel is the same as the current generation Transit's 2.4L (China production). Ford has had tremendous quality problems over the years at its joint venture plant with Jiangling located in Nanchang, Jiangxi Province.
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I had purchased the H5 also for the 2.0VGT and the Borg Warner Turbo
But the poor implementation of the power terrain makes the car feel soo weak that i was not able to enjoy the powerful engine anymore
The ride actually feels like the engine is nicely responding to the pedal press and the gearbox is actually pushing it back and limiting the power.
At times i had even started to think that the H5 2.5T feels more powerful than the 2.0T
My point is that it is sad to find that GWM decides to experiment at the cost of innocent customers who buy H5 because they believe GWM
The 4x4 version of JMC Yusheng shall be launched soon, make sure you get your test drive
The Ford 2.4L is older technology buy has been implemented well with a Getrag gearbox
The Yusheng has a Chassis same as Land Rover, which makes it a strong SUV.
The Yusheng is manufactured at the Ford production line at JMC plant, making me more assured of its quality
Now i am looking for changing shocks to Bilstein and other possible modifications in the car, shall keep posting in the JMC section about the changes and results
But the poor implementation of the power terrain makes the car feel soo weak that i was not able to enjoy the powerful engine anymore
The ride actually feels like the engine is nicely responding to the pedal press and the gearbox is actually pushing it back and limiting the power.
At times i had even started to think that the H5 2.5T feels more powerful than the 2.0T
My point is that it is sad to find that GWM decides to experiment at the cost of innocent customers who buy H5 because they believe GWM
The 4x4 version of JMC Yusheng shall be launched soon, make sure you get your test drive
The Ford 2.4L is older technology buy has been implemented well with a Getrag gearbox
The Yusheng has a Chassis same as Land Rover, which makes it a strong SUV.
The Yusheng is manufactured at the Ford production line at JMC plant, making me more assured of its quality
Now i am looking for changing shocks to Bilstein and other possible modifications in the car, shall keep posting in the JMC section about the changes and results
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I don't like the exterior appearance of the Yusheng so I couldn't buy one. I do like the traditional body-on-frame construction. But Jiangling uses that only because they have no independent R&D capability to design an all-new chassis with unit-body construction. They are forced to modify the old Landwind Isuzu Rodeo chassis.
You are right, the GW 2.5TCi does feel more powerful than the 2.0VGT. I'd given serious thought to buying an H3 with the 2.5TCi, but it's only available with the notchy 5-speed manual. I'd like to have an automatic to more comfortably deal with today's stop-and-go rush hour traffic conditions.
The H3 2.5TCi, with its intercooler hood scoop, is certainly the best looking Hover of all. Absolutely perfect. The H5 "Extreme" with the huge copy Chrysler 300 grille is terrible looking.
Be warned, Ford has had a rocky relationship with Jiangling because of quality problems. Jiangling has not been very cooperative towards improving quality levels.
You are right, the GW 2.5TCi does feel more powerful than the 2.0VGT. I'd given serious thought to buying an H3 with the 2.5TCi, but it's only available with the notchy 5-speed manual. I'd like to have an automatic to more comfortably deal with today's stop-and-go rush hour traffic conditions.
The H3 2.5TCi, with its intercooler hood scoop, is certainly the best looking Hover of all. Absolutely perfect. The H5 "Extreme" with the huge copy Chrysler 300 grille is terrible looking.
Be warned, Ford has had a rocky relationship with Jiangling because of quality problems. Jiangling has not been very cooperative towards improving quality levels.
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yesterday was 3 months as i got new hover h5, when i collect it car had between 9000 km, car now have almost 30.000 km
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still look very attractive
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no any problems with interior, pity that this model got older version of AC buttons, newer version is little bit for usage, it's not complicated, but it's difficult to see during daylight that small red color on the button which show you the temperature and speed
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here it is compared with hover from 2007 year, i can say that new h5 is completely other car, so many modifications on car and simply car is now much better quality
LPG sistem from BRC also work well, usually between 11 liters, which in Croatia cost, total cost per 100 km with LPG is between 7.5€, while in gasoline this cost will be almost 15€, so i can say that already i save so much for fuel cost, top speed of the car is 190 km/h but GPS show between 178 km/h
still look very attractive
no any problems with interior, pity that this model got older version of AC buttons, newer version is little bit for usage, it's not complicated, but it's difficult to see during daylight that small red color on the button which show you the temperature and speed
here it is compared with hover from 2007 year, i can say that new h5 is completely other car, so many modifications on car and simply car is now much better quality
LPG sistem from BRC also work well, usually between 11 liters, which in Croatia cost, total cost per 100 km with LPG is between 7.5€, while in gasoline this cost will be almost 15€, so i can say that already i save so much for fuel cost, top speed of the car is 190 km/h but GPS show between 178 km/h
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Nice car, anxiously looking forward to see such cars in my country
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