Australian sales statistics for August show 228 Great Wall Motors vehicles sold in that month. On top of the 274 sold in July, that's 502 SA220's and V240's sold since their Australian debut.
Great Wall in Australia
Does anyone have any insight into the situation in Australia? They were slated for about this time (middle '09) but there's been no word.
I would say the market has toughed up a lot with the Indian Mahindra starting at only USD$13,000 and even Thailand made Isuzu 4 door 2wd utes starting at only USD$20,000.
The Isuzu is at the upper end with airbags and a general Japanese design with a 3.0 litre turbo diesel motor. The Chinese would be more at the Indian end with no bags and a general 1980s attitude to safety.
I would say the market has toughed up a lot with the Indian Mahindra starting at only USD$13,000 and even Thailand made Isuzu 4 door 2wd utes starting at only USD$20,000.
The Isuzu is at the upper end with airbags and a general Japanese design with a 3.0 litre turbo diesel motor. The Chinese would be more at the Indian end with no bags and a general 1980s attitude to safety.
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Per my SIG safety suggestion, both the V220 and V240 utes in the AUS market have as standard, a single, "hazard warning triangle" constructed to European/UN specification.
These are *not* a junk item either, and are required gear in the EU and ROC markets. The specification is also up for world adoption via a newly developing UN Convention on Road Traffic.
In the V220 ute; the warning triangle is located UNDER the rear seat.
In the V240 ute; the warning triangle is located BEHIND the rear seat backrest. See the yellow label.
The EU/UN triangle specification used by Great Wall in Australia/NZ, is an 'accepted alternative' under AS3790, and easily outperforms that standard!
These are *not* a junk item either, and are required gear in the EU and ROC markets. The specification is also up for world adoption via a newly developing UN Convention on Road Traffic.
In the V220 ute; the warning triangle is located UNDER the rear seat.
In the V240 ute; the warning triangle is located BEHIND the rear seat backrest. See the yellow label.
The EU/UN triangle specification used by Great Wall in Australia/NZ, is an 'accepted alternative' under AS3790, and easily outperforms that standard!
From drive.com.au
Proton, GWM utes fare poorly in NCAP crash tests
BARRY PARK
September 29, 2009
The Proton Jumbuck ute scored a dismal one-star rating in the latest round of independent NCAP crash tests, which also criticised the newly arrived Great Wall Motors utes.
A cheap trade ute has scored the worst-ever crash test result for a vehicle currently on sale in Australia, prompting calls for consumers to avoid buying commercial vehicles that perform poorly in independent safety tests.
The Proton Jumbuck, a $15,000 two-seater ute made in Malaysia and on sale in Australia for almost seven years, has received only one star out of a possible five after it was smashed into a deformable barrier to simulate an offset head-on collision, the independent crash safety watchdog announced today.
The Australasian New Car Assessment Program also released the crash results of the first two Chinese cars on sale in Australia — the Great Wall Motors SA220 and V240 dual-cab utes — awarding them two stars out of a possible five.
ANCAP was critical of the sub-standard crash protection offered in utes. Many traditional “tradie” utes have fallen behind passenger cars in terms of crash safety, with some makers stripping out features that could reduce injury in a crash in order to make prices more attractive to commercial buyers.
Both the Proton Jumbuck and the Great Wall Motors SA220 tested lacked potentially life-saving airbags that can reduce the amount of injury resulting from a crash. All three vehicles tested lacked electronic stability control, which can help a vehicle recover from a skid by sensing a loss of control and individually braking wheels.
“The (GWM) SA220 and the (Proton) Jumbuck lack airbags and other safety features that are expected as standard equipment by new car buyers,” said ANCAP chair, Lauchlan McIntosh, who indicated the airbags in the more expensive GWM ute were not performing their job of protecting occupants.
“The results for the Great Wall vehicles were particularly disappointing as these are new models to the market. The V240 has dual airbags but these failed to protect the driver and passenger from injury in our crash tests.”
The Australian arm of the world’s most authoritative independent crash test organisation also criticised the Australian Design Rules, saying they were not up to the standard modern consumers expect.
“Crash statistics show that occupants of one- or two-star vehicles have twice the risk of receiving life-threatening injuries in a crash, compared with four- or five-star vehicles - at a time when four- and five-star ratings are becoming increasingly available for new car buyers,” said Mr McIntosh.
“New vehicles that achieve only a 1 or 2 star ANCAP rating - while meeting the ADRs - are a cause for concern.”
A spokesman for Great Wall Motors said the V240 had scored a “high” two-star result. He said an engineer from the Chinese car-maker was present at the ANCAP tests, and the company would use the results make changes to its vehicles to improve their crash performance.
“Great Wall safety engineers have been hard at work analysing data from the recent ANCAP tests from the moment it was made available, and are confident that Great Wall will continue to make significant progress with enhancements to the safety of their products.,” said the spokesman.
Proton Cars Australia managing director John Startari questioned ANCAP’s motives in selecting the Jumbuck — due for a replacement mid-way through next year — for a crash test.
“We’re a bit confused as to why that vehicle was selected for a test,” Mr Startari said.
“[The Jumbuck] is the last of the models on the old Mitsubishi platforms ... it’s not really fair because one car is a 1990s platform and the other one is a new car.
“[ANCAP] obviously tested Great Wall and were looking around for a comparable test, and there’s not too many light commercial [vehicles] around with no airbags.
“Obviously we’re a company that takes safety very seriously,” he said.
The new Jumbuck will feature improved safety measures including “multiple” airbags, Proton says.
Until it is replaced, the current-model Jumbuck joins the Mitsubishi Express commercial van as the only two new vehicles currently on sale in Australia to have been independently crash tested and receive a one-star crash rating (not all vehicles are independently crash tested).
ANCAP said the Jumbuck’s crash test score fell below that of the Express van, making the ute Australia’s worst-performing vehicle.
Some commercial vehicle makers were lifting their safety standards, with a Mercedes-Benz van recently gaining a top five-star ranking — a first for the market — once buyers spent an extra $800 on potentially life saving head-protecting side curtain airbags.
Holden also recently announced its ute would be the first on the market to get stability control and curtain airbags across the range.
Proton, GWM utes fare poorly in NCAP crash tests
BARRY PARK
September 29, 2009
The Proton Jumbuck ute scored a dismal one-star rating in the latest round of independent NCAP crash tests, which also criticised the newly arrived Great Wall Motors utes.
A cheap trade ute has scored the worst-ever crash test result for a vehicle currently on sale in Australia, prompting calls for consumers to avoid buying commercial vehicles that perform poorly in independent safety tests.
The Proton Jumbuck, a $15,000 two-seater ute made in Malaysia and on sale in Australia for almost seven years, has received only one star out of a possible five after it was smashed into a deformable barrier to simulate an offset head-on collision, the independent crash safety watchdog announced today.
The Australasian New Car Assessment Program also released the crash results of the first two Chinese cars on sale in Australia — the Great Wall Motors SA220 and V240 dual-cab utes — awarding them two stars out of a possible five.
ANCAP was critical of the sub-standard crash protection offered in utes. Many traditional “tradie” utes have fallen behind passenger cars in terms of crash safety, with some makers stripping out features that could reduce injury in a crash in order to make prices more attractive to commercial buyers.
Both the Proton Jumbuck and the Great Wall Motors SA220 tested lacked potentially life-saving airbags that can reduce the amount of injury resulting from a crash. All three vehicles tested lacked electronic stability control, which can help a vehicle recover from a skid by sensing a loss of control and individually braking wheels.
“The (GWM) SA220 and the (Proton) Jumbuck lack airbags and other safety features that are expected as standard equipment by new car buyers,” said ANCAP chair, Lauchlan McIntosh, who indicated the airbags in the more expensive GWM ute were not performing their job of protecting occupants.
“The results for the Great Wall vehicles were particularly disappointing as these are new models to the market. The V240 has dual airbags but these failed to protect the driver and passenger from injury in our crash tests.”
The Australian arm of the world’s most authoritative independent crash test organisation also criticised the Australian Design Rules, saying they were not up to the standard modern consumers expect.
“Crash statistics show that occupants of one- or two-star vehicles have twice the risk of receiving life-threatening injuries in a crash, compared with four- or five-star vehicles - at a time when four- and five-star ratings are becoming increasingly available for new car buyers,” said Mr McIntosh.
“New vehicles that achieve only a 1 or 2 star ANCAP rating - while meeting the ADRs - are a cause for concern.”
A spokesman for Great Wall Motors said the V240 had scored a “high” two-star result. He said an engineer from the Chinese car-maker was present at the ANCAP tests, and the company would use the results make changes to its vehicles to improve their crash performance.
“Great Wall safety engineers have been hard at work analysing data from the recent ANCAP tests from the moment it was made available, and are confident that Great Wall will continue to make significant progress with enhancements to the safety of their products.,” said the spokesman.
Proton Cars Australia managing director John Startari questioned ANCAP’s motives in selecting the Jumbuck — due for a replacement mid-way through next year — for a crash test.
“We’re a bit confused as to why that vehicle was selected for a test,” Mr Startari said.
“[The Jumbuck] is the last of the models on the old Mitsubishi platforms ... it’s not really fair because one car is a 1990s platform and the other one is a new car.
“[ANCAP] obviously tested Great Wall and were looking around for a comparable test, and there’s not too many light commercial [vehicles] around with no airbags.
“Obviously we’re a company that takes safety very seriously,” he said.
The new Jumbuck will feature improved safety measures including “multiple” airbags, Proton says.
Until it is replaced, the current-model Jumbuck joins the Mitsubishi Express commercial van as the only two new vehicles currently on sale in Australia to have been independently crash tested and receive a one-star crash rating (not all vehicles are independently crash tested).
ANCAP said the Jumbuck’s crash test score fell below that of the Express van, making the ute Australia’s worst-performing vehicle.
Some commercial vehicle makers were lifting their safety standards, with a Mercedes-Benz van recently gaining a top five-star ranking — a first for the market — once buyers spent an extra $800 on potentially life saving head-protecting side curtain airbags.
Holden also recently announced its ute would be the first on the market to get stability control and curtain airbags across the range.
Don't forget, GWM is not the only manufacturer in Australia with a bad product. The Clolorado/D-Max has only three stars and the Kia Rio hatchback only has two. There are plenty of manufacturers out there who produce or have produced sub standard models with poor safety ratings.
Still, the high sales of GWM suggests that it is here to stay.
Still, the high sales of GWM suggests that it is here to stay.
I don't think it's a matter of a bad product. Two star NCAP rating does not mean a vehicle is bad or unsafe, despite what the uninformed media reports.
A two star car today is a safe car, and probably a safer car than any made 20 years ago. However higher rated cars have (allegedly) a higher degree of 'safety', measured in terms of occupant survival.
I personally have no issues with the GWM SA220 and V240, I think they are 'safe' for me. I dont need ESP, and I'm not particulary concerned about the airbag issue.
In 2003 I was hit whilst stationary by a moving car at 70 kph inside what would now be a one star car (1999 Hyundai Excel, no airbags) and in 2009 I was broadsided when doing 80 kph in a now 2 star car (2003 Hyundai Accent front airbags only) by another car who failed to stop at an intersection. I walked away from both with no injuries although both cars were writeoffs.
Unfortunately media like drive.com.au determine that a lower rating means unsafe, when that is not actually the case.
A two star car today is a safe car, and probably a safer car than any made 20 years ago. However higher rated cars have (allegedly) a higher degree of 'safety', measured in terms of occupant survival.
I personally have no issues with the GWM SA220 and V240, I think they are 'safe' for me. I dont need ESP, and I'm not particulary concerned about the airbag issue.
In 2003 I was hit whilst stationary by a moving car at 70 kph inside what would now be a one star car (1999 Hyundai Excel, no airbags) and in 2009 I was broadsided when doing 80 kph in a now 2 star car (2003 Hyundai Accent front airbags only) by another car who failed to stop at an intersection. I walked away from both with no injuries although both cars were writeoffs.
Unfortunately media like drive.com.au determine that a lower rating means unsafe, when that is not actually the case.
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i think that those euroncap or ancap or other test....bigger companies use for their marketing activites, personaly no body can convince me that when i hit other car with suv which is 2000 kg total weight that i wount demolish that other car complety
sample:
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many press write that hover is unsafe also, 3 stars at cncap, 4 start at independent test of euroncap, bla bla bla, all of them was sceptic about this vehicles, i have couple of small accidents in left side of vehicle and nothing happend to me, also on the photos you can see how is this car in practice
3 people in car, no injuries, they wall of from the road into a dig which was over 40m long, car was on the roof and hit the three....and nobody was serisuly injured...so i thrust matters like this
i think that is a really time that press stop to write stupid articles about whicles which they don't have, i pass with GWM models over 500.000 km without any problems, have several car accidents with them and apsoluty never i had a bigger injurie
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here is a photo of my car when lady with the peugeot hit me on side doors with over 50 km/h, result...car is fixed and still is driving, and how have 120.000 km
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here is photo of the peugeot, he demolished all the engies and car wasn't able to repair, result...car is on junkyard
sample:
many press write that hover is unsafe also, 3 stars at cncap, 4 start at independent test of euroncap, bla bla bla, all of them was sceptic about this vehicles, i have couple of small accidents in left side of vehicle and nothing happend to me, also on the photos you can see how is this car in practice
3 people in car, no injuries, they wall of from the road into a dig which was over 40m long, car was on the roof and hit the three....and nobody was serisuly injured...so i thrust matters like this
i think that is a really time that press stop to write stupid articles about whicles which they don't have, i pass with GWM models over 500.000 km without any problems, have several car accidents with them and apsoluty never i had a bigger injurie
here is a photo of my car when lady with the peugeot hit me on side doors with over 50 km/h, result...car is fixed and still is driving, and how have 120.000 km
here is photo of the peugeot, he demolished all the engies and car wasn't able to repair, result...car is on junkyard
i know that hover is suv, but what happend with nissan navara?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgEwF-SDQNk
1 star at crash test, after that nissan told that they replace "ecu airbag unit" and then car have 3 stars??? who belive this crap??? i think that nissan must lot more work to make better safety of nissan navara, not just to replace ecu of airbag, now is the end od 2009 year i am sure that nissan made some changes at vehicle and that it's now more safe..foreuroncap!
the same was with the brilliance couple of years ago, car was tested at adac...1 star, after 2 month brilliance deliver new model to spanish institute idiada and car have 3 stars, but brilliance made over 60 changes on vehicle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgEwF-SDQNk
1 star at crash test, after that nissan told that they replace "ecu airbag unit" and then car have 3 stars??? who belive this crap??? i think that nissan must lot more work to make better safety of nissan navara, not just to replace ecu of airbag, now is the end od 2009 year i am sure that nissan made some changes at vehicle and that it's now more safe..foreuroncap!
the same was with the brilliance couple of years ago, car was tested at adac...1 star, after 2 month brilliance deliver new model to spanish institute idiada and car have 3 stars, but brilliance made over 60 changes on vehicle
i just found those tests:
http://www.ancap.com.au/results/343/
wingle
http://www.ancap.com.au/results/341/
sailor
well..i have some comments on that, first of all they write this:
There are no advanced seat belt reminders.
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i am asking them...what is that red sign on the speedometer???
, also they made a test of 4x2 model, why they don't test also 4x4 model??? 4x4 model is really more robust then 4x2
for sailor:
Engine: 2.4 ....sailor have 2.2 engine, so I am wodering which vehicle they tested
http://www.ancap.com.au/results/343/
wingle
http://www.ancap.com.au/results/341/
sailor
well..i have some comments on that, first of all they write this:
There are no advanced seat belt reminders.
i am asking them...what is that red sign on the speedometer???
, also they made a test of 4x2 model, why they don't test also 4x4 model??? 4x4 model is really more robust then 4x2 for sailor:
Engine: 2.4
....sailor have 2.2 engine, so I am wodering which vehicle they testedMico, does the Wingle and Sailor also have an audible beep as well as the speedometer light to indicate that a seatbelt is not fastened. I note ANCAP refer to "ADVANCED selt belt reminders". Perhaps a warning light only is not "advanced" in the mind of ANCAP?.
my wingle have warning light and audio beep but i simply turn that off because i don't like it and i don't have habit to drive with seatbelt, especially when i go on some small routes like in store, gas station and so onsa220 said:Mico, does the Wingle and Sailor also have an audible beep as well as the speedometer light to indicate that a seatbelt is not fastened. I note ANCAP refer to "ADVANCED selt belt reminders". Perhaps a warning light only is not "advanced" in the mind of ANCAP?.
for hover is the same, we have a hovers with sound and without sound, depends what our customers want, for the seatbelt i can't image what ANCAP want, because hover and wingle both have modern new seatbelts, for sailor i didn't sure, because i know that gwm made some modification but i didn't import it here
adds 260 sold in Sep figures from caradvicesa220 said:Australian sales statistics for August show 228 Great Wall Motors vehicles sold in that month. On top of the 274 sold in July, that's 502 SA220's and V240's sold since their Australian debut.
I watched that crash test video from 'the Australian' website, it was conducted by NRMA and RTA. the reason only scored 2 stars out of 5 because V240 's airbag deployed did not prevent drivers all the damages from hitting the steerling wheel, honestly apart from that the test didn't look bad at all,
whereas the proton jumbuck crumpled driver wouldn't stand a chance of survive
and it still scored a star?
i can't post link at the moment, anyone interests in that video can go to theaustralian.news at right hand middle of the page, search for crash test
Thanks, foxtraner!
I included the testresults on my EuroNCAP test page:
http://www.chinesecars.net/index.php?page=57
Many greetings,
I included the testresults on my EuroNCAP test page:
http://www.chinesecars.net/index.php?page=57
Many greetings,
So that's 762 Great Wall SA220 and V240 utes sold in 3 months. That's pretty much on target with Ateco's original hopes to sell 3000 - 4000 vehicles in Australia in their first year, even without considering the expected forthcoming X240 (Hover) sales.foxtraner said:adds 260 sold in Sep figures from caradvice
I watched that crash test video from 'the Australian' website, it was conducted by NRMA and RTA. the reason only scored 2 stars out of 5 because V240 's airbag deployed did not prevent drivers all the damages from hitting the steerling wheel, honestly apart from that the test didn't look bad at all,
whereas the proton jumbuck crumpled driver wouldn't stand a chance of survive
and it still scored a star?
i can't post link at the moment, anyone interests in that video can go to theaustralian.news at right hand middle of the page, search for crash test
It will be interesting to see if the low ANCAP scores affect future sales. I personally doubt this would be the case as I suspect GWM buyers assess their vehicle needs on a lot more than just ANCAP results.
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Great Wall Motor X240
Great Wall Motor today announced that its X240 SUV is available in Australia, with prices starting at $23,990.
The X240 SUV features 5-speed manual transmission and a 2.4L gas engine with a maximum of 100kW power at 5,250rpm and 200Nm torque between 2,500 to 3,000rpm. Its fuel consumption is 10.4 liters/100km on the combined cycle.
However, the electronic stability control is not offered in the model sold in Australia. The X240 SUV offers dual front airbags, ABS brakes, electronic brake-force distribution and rear parking sensors for safety.
The automaker's other brand Florid will be introduced to Australia by the end of 2009.
The story is from Global Times: http://autos.globaltimes.cn/index.html
Great Wall Motor today announced that its X240 SUV is available in Australia, with prices starting at $23,990.
The X240 SUV features 5-speed manual transmission and a 2.4L gas engine with a maximum of 100kW power at 5,250rpm and 200Nm torque between 2,500 to 3,000rpm. Its fuel consumption is 10.4 liters/100km on the combined cycle.
However, the electronic stability control is not offered in the model sold in Australia. The X240 SUV offers dual front airbags, ABS brakes, electronic brake-force distribution and rear parking sensors for safety.
The automaker's other brand Florid will be introduced to Australia by the end of 2009.
The story is from Global Times: http://autos.globaltimes.cn/index.html
well, if you're talking about ANCAP, Hyundai Accent 2003 has 3 starssa220 said:I don't think it's a matter of a bad product. Two star NCAP rating does not mean a vehicle is bad or unsafe, despite what the uninformed media reports.
A two star car today is a safe car, and probably a safer car than any made 20 years ago. However higher rated cars have (allegedly) a higher degree of 'safety', measured in terms of occupant survival.
I personally have no issues with the GWM SA220 and V240, I think they are 'safe' for me. I dont need ESP, and I'm not particulary concerned about the airbag issue.
In 2003 I was hit whilst stationary by a moving car at 70 kph inside what would now be a one star car (1999 Hyundai Excel, no airbags) and in 2009 I was broadsided when doing 80 kph in a now 2 star car (2003 Hyundai Accent front airbags only) by another car who failed to stop at an intersection. I walked away from both with no injuries although both cars were writeoffs.
Unfortunately media like drive.com.au determine that a lower rating means unsafe, when that is not actually the case.
http://www.ancap.com.au/results/sear...01-01+00:00:00
Well, I think Great wall is the new player who does not have any previous history at all. So, they need to prove themselves to the buyer.
I mean if you look at hyundai (as they're still new player compare to other major auto), they provide the longest warranty ( 5 years / unlimited) and all safety features (ESP, 6 airbag), good safety rating (recent model did not get lower than 4 starts and new model got even 5 starts) in Australia. Also not to mention the cheaper price and fuel efficient diesel engine as Japanese omit to offer the diesel (beside Mazda), diesel has been offered by the pricey European auto only.
Above those how many things does GWM offer? Only price. I did not mention the fit& finish, performance and reliability coz it will be judged by people over the some period.
I mean if you look at hyundai (as they're still new player compare to other major auto), they provide the longest warranty ( 5 years / unlimited) and all safety features (ESP, 6 airbag), good safety rating (recent model did not get lower than 4 starts and new model got even 5 starts) in Australia. Also not to mention the cheaper price and fuel efficient diesel engine as Japanese omit to offer the diesel (beside Mazda), diesel has been offered by the pricey European auto only.
Above those how many things does GWM offer? Only price. I did not mention the fit& finish, performance and reliability coz it will be judged by people over the some period.
first of all you can judge about the car when you have it right? or maybe drive it at least one week, i pass with couple of hovers over 250.000 km, as i know in europe hover cost between 23000€ with full extras and 4x4, hyundai with full extras and 4x4 cost between 40000 €, this is almost double price, hover is also best selling chinese suv on their market, first which start selling outside china, in europe, africa, south america, asia and so on
hover also have 2 airbags, abs, automatic air conditioner, bumpers in colors, alu rims, all electronic equipment, radio with dvd and gps, and much better 4x4 mode becuase hyundai don't have 4L mode, where hover can pass hyundai can't park there, also hover have better prices for maintance, all spare parts are cheaper, maybe hyundai is more luxury from the inside but after all he is over 20000 € more expensive, only problem of this edition of hover is older interior but in new H5 model it look very good
hover also have 2 airbags, abs, automatic air conditioner, bumpers in colors, alu rims, all electronic equipment, radio with dvd and gps, and much better 4x4 mode becuase hyundai don't have 4L mode, where hover can pass hyundai can't park there, also hover have better prices for maintance, all spare parts are cheaper, maybe hyundai is more luxury from the inside but after all he is over 20000 € more expensive, only problem of this edition of hover is older interior but in new H5 model it look very good
I'm reliably informed that under the current 2009 ANCAP testing procedures, the 2003 Hyundai Accent would only get 2 stars.superidler said:well, if you're talking about ANCAP, Hyundai Accent 2003 has 3 stars
http://www.ancap.com.au/results/sear...01-01+00:00:00
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