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Chinoy54 can maybe shed some light on the current status of GWM in the Philippine market. His company imported some Safe models in 2005 and he said they were happy with them.

How about it Chinoy54....?
 

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Hey all

It is very sad that we spend our time trying to take GWM apart for producing cars that most of you feel is a rip off of other brands but at half the price .........................................

maby we should start asking why the other brands are making shuch hugh profits mmmmmmmmmmm

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Great Wall Motor: Gunning for Glory

July 9, 2008

Already China's top maker of SUVs and pickups, Great Wall has ambitious plans for the small-car market

When it comes to China's auto powerhouses, Great Wall Motor may not immediately come to mind. It's still small compared with the country's other homegrown auto brands, with only a 1.2% share of the car market. Based in Baoding, Hebei, a rural area two hours from Beijing, Great Wall was a village-run operation focused on farm machinery until it went private 18 years ago. These days, it's known mostly for its best-selling sport-utility vehicles and pickups.

But Great Wall has big ambitions in cars. It launched its first-ever small car, the 1.3-liter GW Peri (selling for $6,400 to $7,800) earlier this year. It has invested $11 million in a new safety lab aimed at boosting the quality and reliability of its autos. Now the company plans to roll out 15 more models—including sedans, pickups, and SUVs—over the next two years.

That ambition may have just gotten a boost, too. On July 3, Chrysler announced that it had signed a memorandum of understanding with Great Wall, with the two companies looking into long-term business cooperation in distribution, components, and technology. While Chrysler would like greater access to the China market, the Chinese auto player hopes to tap Chrysler's technology and international distribution expertise. Hong Kong-listed Great Wall saw its stock rise by some 2% following the announcement. (Like all Chinese auto stocks, Great Wall shares have fallen by more than 50% over the past 12 months, pulled down by soaring fuel prices.)

Great Wall Has a Female CEO
What's most unusual for China's auto industry (and indeed the world's carmakers) is that the chief executive officer behind this expansion is a woman, and a relatively young one at that: 37-year-old Baoding native Wang Fengying. Wang, who became CEO in 2002, has one of the longest tenures among Great Wall executives. She joined the company just after it became a private enterprise. Even though Great Wall was small and had an uncertain future, Wang saw opportunity. "If one is industrious working in a private company, you have a good chance to develop. And if you don't have a strong background [with connections to get ahead], then you certainly have to rely on your own industriousness," she says. "Also, the auto industry was then a new industry in China; that meant there was more room to develop."

Under the leadership of Wang, who served as top marketing manager before becoming CEO, Great Wall has certainly developed. As the first to exploit the relatively untapped pickup market, the company was able to grow rapidly. Over the past decade it has held the top market spot in China with its best-selling Deer series of trucks, which retail for $10,000 to $10,300. Then, in 2002, Great Wall launched its first sport-utility vehicle, the SAFE. Its low price—under $11,600—quickly made it a top seller on the mainland.

That was followed by two more SUVs—the Sing and, most recently, the 2.4-liter (2.8-liter in the diesel version) Hover, currently the most popular model in its class. It holds that spot even though it's several thousand dollars pricier, depending on the model, than China's No. 2 SUV, Chery's Tiggo (BusinessWeek.com, 1/4/08). Honda's (HMC) higher-priced CR-V and Hyundai's Tucson both trail, with smaller market shares. Driven mainly by sales of the Hover, Great Wall's domestic SUV sales last year rose 61.6%, to 64,732 units, faster than the overall SUV market, which was up 57.8%.

Eyeing the Sedan Market
Great Wall's performance has been equally impressive when it comes to exports, with 51,394 vehicles sold overseas last year. The Hover, as well as the company's other SUVs and pickups, now sell in scores of countries across the former Soviet Union, in Southeast Asia, Africa, and even Italy. Great Wall also maintains an impressive network of assembly factories overseas, in Russia, Ukraine, Iran, Vietnam, Brazil, Egypt, Romania, and Nigeria. All told, the carmaker pulled in $1.1 billion in revenues in 2007, up 54% over the previous year, with a net profit of more than $130 million, 33% higher than in 2006.

Emboldened by such successes, Great Wall has now entered the car market with the GW Peri, which competes directly with the similarly priced Chery QQ. And that's hardly the extent of the company's ambition. Of the 15 models it has planned for release by 2010, 10 will be sedans, with most of those being mini, small, and compact-sized cars with engine sizes ranging from 1.3 liters to 1.5 liters, says Wang. "We would like to occupy the leading position in China's small sedan market by 2009 or 2010 at the latest," she says. "Building the Great Wall brand is a dream that I have long been pursuing. I want to make it into both an international brand and a great brand in China."

http://www.businessweek.com/globalb...?chan=top+news_top+news+index_news+++analysis
 

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Mememe, can you tell us the source of this article?
Thanks.

I think Great Wall would be better off teaming up with a company that is on a more solid footing than Chrysler. Chrysler has a history of leaning toward the whimsical.....you know.. motorsports, "keep on truckin", muscle cars, earlier model throwbacks, etc..
In a live or die market continuing on that path is risky.
 

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Sorry, I forgot the link.

Fixed.

I think you're right about Chrysler, I honestly see no hope in Chrysler, bad sales, plummeting profits, all the problems with the engines, badly rated Chrysler Voyager.

I think Chrysler will be the first out of the Big Three to kiss goodbye, they are really trying hard to hang on the cliff but soon they will lose the grip.

But at least, Chinese company like Great Wall can learn one or two things from Chrysler, as one of American Big Three, they ought to have something to offer.
 

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I just found out about the "socool" pick-up truck.
Slow Bob ... Small World :)

I have been the publisher of SoCooL.Com
since before I purchased the domain name in 1995.

I'd be Very Curious to know of the details of the
SoCooL pickup ... including especially how it got
it's name, it's meaning in China ... elsewhere ?

We should do some business together ???
 

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Can anyone tell me if the 2.2 litre petrol engine as fitted to the SA220/Sailor and the 2.4 litre petrol engine fitted to the V240/Wingle are entirely GWM designs or identical to or based on other manufactuers designs?

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hello sa220 and welcome to forum

please check some older post about great wall engines, we talk about it plenty of time, but here i will write it for you again

2.2 engine is produced by great wall but it's based on toyota 4y engine, it have mpi injection sistem and 78 kw, 2.4 engine is original mitusbishi 4G64 engine, it's older type of engine which mitusbishi used for plenty of older models, it have 93 kw
 

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Thanks for the information.

Research on the Toyota 4YE 2237cc engine shows it to be an OHV (pushrod) engine not an OHC. Now I understand the comparitively low 78KW output for the 2237cc capacity, but I do wonder why GWM used this engine in the SA220/Sailor, in a time where anything else other than OHC is uncommon.

Are there any reports of mechanical issues with the 4YE derived GWM engine?
 

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one more time I advice to you that you read all of older post

first of all you must know that in china is a law about "fuel consumption", that the reason why this engine with 2.2 ccm have only 78 kw, also great wall deliver this engines to many other companies in china, over 20 other companies used this engine or many other derivates of this engine

the same situation is with mitusubishi 4g64 engine and now newer version 4g69 engine, simply because of that law chinese must offer engine with less power, as you know some 4g64 engines have 125 kw, and this from hover have between 90 and 100 kw

for sailor in china you can buy 2.5 and 2.8 diesel engines, it's old based isuzu 4JB1 engines with common rail sistem 2.0, one more time they don't have so much power, between 70 and 85 kw

also you must know that sailor is an older pick up which is for very long time in production and it's simply alternative to new wingle pick up, sailor is made in old factory on old production line, wingle is made in new factory, new production line with much better quality, this is the main reason why sailor have more chaeper price then wingle, you also know that sailor don't have more safety equipment which wingle have, like abs+ebd or dual airbag sistem

all of those older models like sailor, deer, safe and so on will go out of production very soon, or prodution like will be transfered to some other markets like in some other African countries and so on

here is some of my expiriances with those engines:
2.2 engine, I have it in couple of deers and safe model, usually in normal driving he use between 10 liters but in city driving he use between 12 or 15 liters, usually I install LPG sistem on them, also they are very easy for service and maintance, cost of service is very low, also because of "not so modern techink" in them they are much more reliable, we have couple of vehicles which have over 100.000 km without problem, top speed is between 150 and 170 km/h

2.4 mitusubishi engine, I have it in my hover which is sold, and we have over 20 vehicles which driving that engine in hover, all is the same like on 2.2 engine, but it's isn't so noisy like 2.2 engine, also the lowest consumption on 2.4 engine to me was 8,5 liters, personaly i like this engine more then 2.2 engine, very easily you can drive it also on big RPM, between 6500 is block, also i drive off road races very miuch time with it and he never stop, i can say that this engine is reliable, even more then 2.2, top speed is between 170 and 190 km/h

2.8 diesel engine, i had couple of old deer pick up model and new wingle, old diesel engines are very slow, have only 57 kw, low fuel consumption and it's very noisy, but..it's reliable and easy for maintance, new 2.8 engine is much better, have turbo it it, more power, 70 kw, and lower fuel consuption, also goes better and isn't so noisy, however price of maintance is little bit higher than gasoline engines but still isn't so high like for toyota or some other famous brand, we have couple of cars with old engine which have between 80000 km and more, the TC engine in my pick up have 60000 km, of course without problem, top speed is between 160 km/h
 

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micodelija said:
one more time I advice to you that you read all of older post

first of all you must know that in china is a law about "fuel consumption", that the reason why this engine with 2.2 ccm have only 78 kw, also great wall deliver this engines to many other companies in china, over 20 other companies used this engine or many other derivates of this engine

the same situation is with mitusubishi 4g64 engine and now newer version 4g69 engine, simply because of that law chinese must offer engine with less power, as you know some 4g64 engines have 125 kw, and this from hover have between 90 and 100 kw

for sailor in china you can buy 2.5 and 2.8 diesel engines, it's old based isuzu 4JB1 engines with common rail sistem 2.0, one more time they don't have so much power, between 70 and 85 kw

also you must know that sailor is an older pick up which is for very long time in production and it's simply alternative to new wingle pick up, sailor is made in old factory on old production line, wingle is made in new factory, new production line with much better quality, this is the main reason why sailor have more chaeper price then wingle, you also know that sailor don't have more safety equipment which wingle have, like abs+ebd or dual airbag sistem

all of those older models like sailor, deer, safe and so on will go out of production very soon, or prodution like will be transfered to some other markets like in some other African countries and so on

here is some of my expiriances with those engines:
2.2 engine, I have it in couple of deers and safe model, usually in normal driving he use between 10 liters but in city driving he use between 12 or 15 liters, usually I install LPG sistem on them, also they are very easy for service and maintance, cost of service is very low, also because of "not so modern techink" in them they are much more reliable, we have couple of vehicles which have over 100.000 km without problem, top speed is between 150 and 170 km/h

2.4 mitusubishi engine, I have it in my hover which is sold, and we have over 20 vehicles which driving that engine in hover, all is the same like on 2.2 engine, but it's isn't so noisy like 2.2 engine, also the lowest consumption on 2.4 engine to me was 8,5 liters, personaly i like this engine more then 2.2 engine, very easily you can drive it also on big RPM, between 6500 is block, also i drive off road races very miuch time with it and he never stop, i can say that this engine is reliable, even more then 2.2, top speed is between 170 and 190 km/h

2.8 diesel engine, i had couple of old deer pick up model and new wingle, old diesel engines are very slow, have only 57 kw, low fuel consumption and it's very noisy, but..it's reliable and easy for maintance, new 2.8 engine is much better, have turbo it it, more power, 70 kw, and lower fuel consuption, also goes better and isn't so noisy, however price of maintance is little bit higher than gasoline engines but still isn't so high like for toyota or some other famous brand, we have couple of cars with old engine which have between 80000 km and more, the TC engine in my pick up have 60000 km, of course without problem, top speed is between 160 km/h
Thank you micodelija, your information has been most helpful. I am contemplating buying a SA220 (Sailor) here in Australia, but may now look to purchase a V240 (Wingle) instead in order to get a better engine.
 

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my suggestion to you is that you buy a car which will take care for all of your needs, depends what type of work you will do with them

here is couple of issues and differences between wingle and sailor
wingle is more comfortable, but it's also "elegant pick up", personaly i didn't like with him to do some heavy stuff like carrying briks or something like that which i do with old deer model, simply he is a modern pick up, i can say like passenger car, i travel with him thru whole europe without problem, also for the off road deer and sailors have much better angles for those driving, also on sailor or deer you can install very easily off road components from toyota hilux or nissan navara (old type), also "problem" on wingle is that big grill, if you broke something you must repalce whole bumper, while on sailor or deer you simply replace that lower part and this is it, on deer the bumper is from metal, on sailor i think that it's plastic

sailor and deers aren't so comofortable, especally that rear part like to bounce which can make you problems on rainy road, also braking sistem on wingle is much better, but with there vehicles you can do all the hard work and because of lower price somehow you will pass thru it if you damage your car somewhere, for wingle to me it's was a pitty, because it modern pick up, but with deer without problem i do all heavy duty work, also you can install very easily on them bigger tires, while on wingle there isn't so much space
 

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GWM is just starting to come to Australia ..

A piece of advice to GWM management over in China ...

1) For ALL Chinese Car companies that wish to go international .. CHANGE YOUR NAMES !!!! The names are embarrasing ...

2) The quality might be good enough in China .. and might pass foreign government standards .. but foreigners are not stupid and do take independent testing (non government assessment) seriously .. eg. in china ANCAP has given GWM models two stars out of Five ... This is a joke ... GWM has only ONE chance when it enters a market ... if they fail just once .. they will have an extremely hard time to come back into the market .. eg. the failure of Proton in the Australian market ..

3) Spend more on your research and development .. chinese companies in all Industries is trying to take the easy way to make money ... your trying to run before you know how to walk ...

cheers ...
 

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The Great Wall already was in Brazil through the Alexandros Motors, but the operation was very weak and it did not give resulted. Already the Auto CN, that brings vans Hafei Minyi and Jinbei, is making bigger success this way and has net of resales with 30 store. It seems that now the Auto CN goes to bring in fact the GWM in return to Brazil. I wait that it gives certain.

http://www.noticiasautomotivas.com.br/great-wall-vai-voltar-pelas-maos-da-cn-auto/
 

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Hi everyone! I just want to ask, how much do your Great Wall vehicles depreciate over the years? In short, how much is the depreciation cost?
 

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where i am established brands can expect to depreciate by 50% over 3yrs except for prestige models

since GWM have zero reputation (or worse, negative reputation) you can expect savage depreciation especially since the warranty runs out after 3 yrs

certain korean and japanese brands counter this with 5 to 7 to even 10 yrs warranty
 

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thanks tony,

i have one more question though, do great wall cars come with factory rustproofing? our distributor told me that great wall cars come with electrolytic deposition or electroplating, even better than rustproofing. can someone confirm this for me? micodelija perhaps?

thanks! :D
 

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Hello again everyone,

Would anybody know what brand of airconditioning system does Great Wall use in its cars? Do they use the same brand for all models?

Thank you!
 
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