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sorry admin i know i should put this in off topic, but i think alot of people really need to know how China actually looks like TODAY. By TODAY i mean in the recent 10 years and the future. That means nothing to do with the dynasties, nothing to do with the Rape of Nanjing, Nothing to do with Tiananimen.



 

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Yes, it's quite shocking to see that many who visit this forum have such an outdated and inaccurate view of China today. Many still think of Red Guards waving the red book and everything is controlled by a dictatorship.

The reality is that aside from elections, most of daily life in China today is little different from most capitalist countries. China is opening up and changing rapidly. However, some ostriches have their head in the sand thinking that China's still in the cultural revolution.
 

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WOW!!
Super fantastic photos of a new and vital nation, makes one humble to consider how far china has moved in one generation. And how is weather? Minus 5 degrees in my part of canada today. Will reach -45 at depth of winter.
I am engineer at oil sands project in Alberta, Canada.
This is not our fathers china!
Makes a heart fond of homelands.
 

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I'm not surprised by any of this although it still amazes me to see how fast things are changing. As a Brit I do have a couple of questions though.

Is a more democratic China likely to emerge within the next 10 years?

Do people in China appreciate just how the industrialisation of China is going to cause the world massive environmental challenges?

P.S on the last question I'm not argueing against China's right to industrialise, I guess I'm just saying that in places like Britain there is a growing realisation that if we were to reduce our carbon emission to 0 then China's booming economy would replace all our Carbon outputs within a year. So in a sense we feel almost helpless in Britain on the enviroment...
 

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China has evry rite to have a technological and industrial revolution. Britain and the usa have already poluted their corners of the world irreperably, don't impose your 'white' values on other peeps.
Since the usa and england are horrible over weight, does that mean starving orietals should diet to? Perhaps this is our revenge for your colonial redistribution of wealth based on race/
Remember the opium wars?
 

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mgrovernut said:
I'm not surprised by any of this although it still amazes me to see how fast things are changing. As a Brit I do have a couple of questions though.

Is a more democratic China likely to emerge within the next 10 years?

Do people in China appreciate just how the industrialisation of China is going to cause the world massive environmental challenges?

P.S on the last question I'm not argueing against China's right to industrialise, I guess I'm just saying that in places like Britain there is a growing realisation that if we were to reduce our carbon emission to 0 then China's booming economy would replace all our Carbon outputs within a year. So in a sense we feel almost helpless in Britain on the enviroment...
Funny, i do not recall a single protest about america and england attacking defenseless iraq due to enviromental changes or the use of depeleted uranium. Heaven forbid that some of china's industial waste be blown the way of white peep anywhere.
 

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mgrovernut said:
I'm not surprised by any of this although it still amazes me to see how fast things are changing. As a Brit I do have a couple of questions though.

Is a more democratic China likely to emerge within the next 10 years?

Do people in China appreciate just how the industrialisation of China is going to cause the world massive environmental challenges?

P.S on the last question I'm not argueing against China's right to industrialise, I guess I'm just saying that in places like Britain there is a growing realisation that if we were to reduce our carbon emission to 0 then China's booming economy would replace all our Carbon outputs within a year. So in a sense we feel almost helpless in Britain on the enviroment...
If by democracy, you mean direct mass elections for the highest office of the land. I don't think China will get there in ten years. Neither do I think that's necessarily in the best interest for China at this stage of development. Democracy is a system of institutions which work best when there is a strong foundation of widespread high educational attainment, rule of law and a large middle class that have a stake in the system. China is certainly getting there, but not yet.

However, I think China will be much freer in ten years as personal freedoms and political freedoms continue to grow. China is a very different country from ten years ago and I believe it will be even more different in ten years. China's society is opening to the world and modernizing at such a fast pace, it's hard to keep up with all the changes.

About the environment. I believe that the Chinese central government realize that this is a major problem. Certainly, China's environment has been strongly hurt by the industrialization. I think it is imperative that China learn from the mistakes of developed nations and try to find ways of promoting green energy and reducing pollution. The central government has been focusing on this issue, but the problem is so massive that I think the results are quite limited. China has a severe pollution problem and I dont think it will go away anytime soon.
 

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If by democracy, you mean direct mass elections for the highest office of the land. I don't think China will get there in ten years. Neither do I think that's necessarily in the best interest for China at this stage of development. Democracy is a system of institutions which work best when there is a strong foundation of widespread high educational attainment, rule of law and a large middle class that have a stake in the system. China is certainly getting there, but not yet.

However, I think China will be much freer in ten years as personal freedoms and political freedoms continue to grow. China is a very different country from ten years ago and I believe it will be even more different in ten years. China's society is opening to the world and modernizing at such a fast pace, it's hard to keep up with all the changes.

About the environment. I believe that the Chinese central government realize that this is a major problem. Certainly, China's environment has been strongly hurt by the industrialization. I think it is imperative that China learn from the mistakes of developed nations and try to find ways of promoting green energy and reducing pollution. The central government has been focusing on this issue, but the problem is so massive that I think the results are quite limited. China has a severe pollution problem and I dont think it will go away anytime soon.
This democracy experiment we are witnessing in the usa is not working out horribly well is it?
While the press over here rails about corruption and lack of democracy in china, it turns a blind eye to federal, local and police corruption in democratic societies in the west. A war was waged illegally on an innocent neighbour by a duly elected democratic republic resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties.
If Bush is the new photo of democratic action, i dare say china is best without it.
 

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chinacartimes said:
Qingdao.

Looks more like Guilin though where I live ;)
I remember that I once told about Qingdao in a thread about pics of chinese cities in the off topic section. It is a coastal city in Shandong Province, with a charming environment and a life style different from that in those big cities like Beijing or Shanghai. I almost falled in love with it at the first time I went there.


http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218&page=6
 
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