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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Soviet Union wasn't a developed nation as measured in GDP per capita.
alright dats news for me... a superpower was not a developed nation

So what happens if I publicly criticize the communist party at Tiananmen Square? Where are anti-communist websites hosted within China? Why are Google and Yahoo being criticized for giving into the communist party's demand to censor Chinese language contents?


as i said as long as ur statement is not anti-social or instigative towards the government. U may try it outside the WhiteHouse if u like. haha..

n the free nations, you can curse your government and nothing happens, or advertise Falungong without being thrown into prison.
if u feel Falungong is ok den go along with them. As i know even in Singapore it is a illegal organisation. and it has disrupted the social stability to a great extent. for example it disstributed instigative leaflet and illegally interrupted the TV signals and so on... you noe wat?? i feel funny dat some ppl can be easily fooled by an one-sided story...

China doesn't have the freedom of speech.
alright I am a Chinese and I feel shame that I don know my way of living as much as you do..

But nothing will happen to you, as long as you don't plot on assasination or something like that.
dats true as far as I noe here as well.. btw do you noe ur phone calls and emails are under the monitor of the US intellegence office?.. well you may say dats human rights or freedom of speech..

You get censored Internet.
do you like flooded infomation or a clean environment? you like porn? hah? i know dat...

Well, Chinese citizens are not even given that choice by a general election. If China was a true free country, then Kuomintang could return to the mainland, set up its headquarter, and nominate candidates for elections.
yes the former KMT chairman LianChan has just returned to Taiwan last month just to inform u. He had talk with our Boss Hu.. AND this is not the first time already.. And as i said if most ppl are satisfying with the government why should we waste the government spending? there so many poor ppl in the rural area urgently need money. why shld the gonvernment waste dat money if the result is clear? China now is not the 1930s US which was in Great Depression(do you know dat). We now do not need Keynesian Theory to increase government spending in order for the nation to get rid fo stagflation. somemore this kind of government spending does not yield any return.

We are not talking about revolution, but a multi-party general election.
yes we have in the parliment. they formed the coalition party which give suggestions the government for the wealth of the entile population

Too much of it, From running protestors over with tanks, and trading organs from executed prisoners to gunning down Tibetan monk pilgrims.


yes too much of it, i can tell you many more of them. Is Tiananmen incident the only thing u know? do you like to noe how the S. Korean police suppress the street protestors?.. pls go check it out. the trading organ issue is wat you called accused. any solid proof?
 

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LLZH said:
alright dats news for me... a superpower was not a developed nation
Well, individual Soviet citizens lived in relative poverty.

as i said as long as ur statement is not anti-social or instigative towards the government.
But that's the very thing that free speech is trying to protect.

U may try it outside the WhiteHouse if u like. haha..
Of course, because of free speech rights.

alright I am a Chinese and I feel shame that I don know my way of living as much as you do..
You just don't know about the freedom of speech and thoughts that non-Chinese take for granted.

btw do you noe ur phone calls and emails are under the monitor of the US intellegence office?.. well you may say dats human rights or freedom of speech..
Doesn't change the fact that I could speak out anything I want and not face prosecution. You can call President Bush a liar on Iraq WMD and a war criminal in the US and nothing happens to you. If you accuse Mao of commiting 30 million genocide in China, then you dissapear...

do you like to noe how the S. Korean police suppress the street protestors?.. pls go check it out.
The police does nothing to suppress a legal protest(You know, a peaceful protest with a proper permit). They only suppress violent mini-riots, which happens too often. The right to assemble and protest for any reason, other than the support of Kim Jong Il, is guaranteed and exercised all the time.

the trading organ issue is wat you called accused. any solid proof?
Ask thousands of foreigners who bought their organs from China
 

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ha.. what a joke... I lived in ohter democratic country for a few years and I think I know the world around me... good try I have to say....
 

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oh really? i'm laughing at someone who are so naive... oops am i praising somebody? if someone is not so stubborn he/she shld go China and have a look. by the way for ur info, China is now one of the largest tourism destination.. :thumb:

back to topic, the car industries in China are at the rising side and booming I am looking forward to it. I'm sure my next car will still be a China made one.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Well, individual Soviet citizens lived in relative poverty.
The majority of people living in the Soviet Union did not live in relative poverty. These citizens had free health care, free education, high levels of employment, pension and retirement 55 and 60 for women and men respectively (even earlier in some cases) and public housing available for all who needed it. My family is Russian and lived in Russia during the Soviet Union.
 

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AXLE said:
The majority of people living in the Soviet Union did not live in relative poverty. These citizens had free health care, free education, high levels of employment, pension and retirement 55 and 60 for women and men respectively (even earlier in some cases) and public housing available for all who needed it. My family is Russian and lived in Russia during the Soviet Union.
good say:thumb:

some ppl just like to believe what they dun really know :nono:

there shld be some ppl to stand out and tell them the truth!!:nod:
 

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AXLE said:
The majority of people living in the Soviet Union did not live in relative poverty. These citizens had free health care, free education, high levels of employment, pension and retirement 55 and 60 for women and men respectively (even earlier in some cases) and public housing available for all who needed it.
Well, you couldn't afford to buy your own car. And you lined up for hours to buy a bar of soap. Soviet might have been a superpower, but its living standard was really really low.

My family is Russian and lived in Russia during the Soviet Union.
Then you should have known better that average Russians did not enjoy the living standard of the west. I say even Chinese of 2007 have a higher living standard than the Soviets did in the 80s.
 

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Of course they are.

Unlike in China, those who gave their lives to fight totalitarianism are remembered and honored as heroes the survivors compensated, and those responsible for their deaths were tried and sentenced to death(although a pardon was granted later) 16 years later.

Unfortunately for the heros of Tiananmen Square, no one in China remembers them today, nor have those who are responsible for their deaths have paid any price for their sins.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Of course they are.

Unlike in China, those who gave their lives to fight totalitarianism are remembered and honored as heroes the survivors compensated, and those responsible for their deaths were tried and sentenced to death(although a pardon was granted later) 16 years later.

Unfortunately for the heros of Tiananmen Square, no one in China remembers them today, nor have those who are responsible for their deaths have paid any price for their sins.

joke. no one like or rathar bother to remember those anti-socialists.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Well, you couldn't afford to buy your own car. And you lined up for hours to buy a bar of soap. Soviet might have been a superpower, but its living standard was really really low.


Then you should have known better that average Russians did not enjoy the living standard of the west. I say even Chinese of 2007 have a higher living standard than the Soviets did in the 80s.
that is still happening in the public hospitals in UK today.. so the British also have a low standard of living? both are welfare states yet someone like to see the other through a colored window.. in fact the standard of living is measured through many aspects including housing, education, healthcare, etc. it looks like the USSR had fulfilled the most requirements.
 

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LLZH said:
joke. no one like or rathar bother to remember those anti-socialists.
The Tiananmen Square demonstrators are remembered as heroes in the west. There was even an American TV series featuring a Tiananmen Square demonstrator as the lead character. He is a wanted man in China, but when he arrived to the US illegally, he is identified as the hero of democracy and is instantly granted an assylum and a hero's welcome by the US government.

So if you are wanted by the Chinese communists for the Tiananmen Square related reasons, then you are automatically granted an assylum in the US and Europe.
 

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that is still happening in the public hospitals in UK today.. so the British also have a low standard of living?
Social medicine works fine in France, Germany, and Japan. It is just that the UK system is broke.

in fact the standard of living is measured through many aspects including housing, education, healthcare, etc. it looks like the USSR had fulfilled the most requirements.
And the parameter includes freedom and democracy too, in which China ranks very low.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Well, you couldn't afford to buy your own car. And you lined up for hours to buy a bar of soap. Soviet might have been a superpower, but its living standard was really really low.
People not being able to afford cars? lining up hours to buy a bar of soap? Are you serious? If thats what you think it was like then I recommend you shut your gob because you clearly know nothing.


Real_I_Hate_China said:
I say even Chinese of 2007 have a higher living standard than the Soviets did in the 80s.
You can say anything you like, it doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.
 

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Unlike in China, those who gave their lives to fight totalitarianism are remembered and honored as heroes the survivors compensated, and those responsible for their deaths were tried and sentenced to death(although a pardon was granted later) 16 years later.
Sounds great. You could actually honor the 'heroes' and compensate the survivors when you acknowledge 207 deaths among thousands.

Real_I_Hate_China said:
The Tiananmen Square demonstrators are remembered as heroes in the west. There was even an American TV series featuring a Tiananmen Square demonstrator as the lead character. He is a wanted man in China, but when he arrived to the US illegally, he is identified as the hero of democracy and is instantly granted an assylum and a hero's welcome by the US government.

So if you are wanted by the Chinese communists for the Tiananmen Square related reasons, then you are automatically granted an assylum in the US and Europe.
Not only that, any Chinese students in US in 89/90 were eligible for asylum and permanent residency thanks to a presidential order.
Those who actually took advantage of that are generally regarded by most Chinese people as scumbags for what they are, either in China, or US or anywhere else.

For the dead, call them heroes all you want. (Does that include the soldiers burned to death by the mob?)
But name ONE leader of Tiananmen square that actually died.
Most of these 'leaders' are conducting businesses nowadays in the US and/or Taiwan. Some even directly with the Chinese government.
 

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People not being able to afford cars?
I never saw a pic of traffic jam on streets of Moscow from the 80s. You are confusing capitalist Moscow of 2007 with the communist Moscow of 1987.

lining up hours to buy a bar of soap?
Worse yet, you could go home empty-handed after lining up for hours.

Are you serious?
That's the history.

Those who actually took advantage of that are generally regarded by most Chinese people as scumbags for what they are, either in China
Because average Chinese citizens were brain-washed. Thinking for yourself is a crime against the state. You just do what the communist party tells you to, even if the order is to stand-still in a burning theater so that the communist party officials could escape first, or form a human chain against flooding Yangtze river and then get washed away.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
...or form a human chain against flooding Yangtze river and then get washed away.
Sacrifice yourself to save others is the highest form of Heroism, those soldiers gave their lives to protect civilians from flodding Yangze and

don't you dear to denounce them!!!
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Real_I_Hate_China said:
I never saw a pic of traffic jam on streets of Moscow from the 80s.
And exactly how many pics did you see of Moscow from the 80s?
Of course it's more reasonable to believe a guy who 'saw pictures', than those who actually lived there, no?

Real_I_Hate_China said:
Those who actually took advantage of that are generally regarded by most Chinese people as scumbags for what they are, either in China, or US or anywhere else.
Because average Chinese citizens were brain-washed. Thinking for yourself is a crime against the state.
Nice try.

Speaking of brainwashing, anyone seen a tiny country where most people there believe they are responsible for a huge portion (if not all) of human civilization? And a lot of them even believe human civilization originated there? Amazing thinking at display.
 

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KING_OF_HILL said:
Sacrifice yourself to save others is the highest form of Heroism, those soldiers gave their lives to protect civilians from flodding Yangze and

There is a big difference between willingly giving one's life and being ordered to give your life.

The first responders at WTC stayed at the building and willingly gave their lives to rescue those who were trapped. The Kamikaze pilots gave their lives because they were ordered to do so.

And exactly how many pics did you see of Moscow from the 80s?
Hundreds.

Of course it's more reasonable to believe a guy who 'saw pictures', than those who actually lived there, no?
The AXLE guy didn't live in Moscow of the 80s, he doesn't know.
 
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