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Streetwise certainly got Citroen and VW fired up enough to bring out their own versions.
 

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I think even they'd draw the line at an MG Punch!
 

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Now your credibility is truly shot! RV8 desirable? Take a 1962 body shell, leave the cart-horse suspension at the back, make a few styling tweaks to the wings and lights etc and stick some walnut and leather inside the cockpit, then give it some outdated cast-off V8 block and sell it for similar money to a TVR! Not surprising the British stayed away in droves and left it to the Anglophillic Japanese to take most of them.
 

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Had NAC approached BMW for the Rover badge, the same outcome as SAIC would have resulted with NAC not getting it, so badging saloons as MGs is the only alternative. That said, Austin is also an option to them, and one I also hope they will use and leave MG to have some sporting credentials. But if MG means Modern Gentleman to a Chinese buyer and is a Streetwise, fine, I can deal with that so long as NAC-MG also respect the need to have sporting saloons and sports car for Western markets. Afterall, while all the opinonated Poms were deriding MG Rovers, the overseas markets never saw it the same way.

Seamaster is right, NAC-MG have every right to do what they will with the brand. Afterall, they are interested the huge growing market in China, and the concerns of a few bearded members that think an MG is a two-seater are of little issue to them, as it was of little issue to the Phoenix 4. If the beardies had had control of the brand, then it would follow Cadillac, Mercedes and Jaguar into relative obscurity chasing an ever aging market trying to recapture their youth in some open top two-seater on leaf springs! Undoubtedly, like Morgan, MG could have had a full order book if they had reduced operations to some small barn making a few MG RV8s every month. You can't blame NAC-MG, they're just picking up the pieces of a failed British operation - and why had it failed? Because negative attitudes such as yours couldn't see beyond your self-opinionated pipe and sense of superiority so typical of Poms!

What all the beardies forget is that Cecil Kimber took a humdrum Morris and stuck an MG badge on it - the whole ethos of MG! Of course two seater rag tops hold their residuals well, compare a 60s E-type to a comparable Jaguar saloon. Thanks to post-War US buyers, MG has become the generic term for a little two seater open top! Saloons have always sold alongside the sports car with the exception of the 70s.

You cannot make a statement that RV8 is desirable because it has good residuals, if you look at the fact that so many are for sale at any one time, it's obvious that the owners are not that enamoured with them otherwise they'd be hanging onto them. there were at least 3 up for sale this weekend at an MG show, there's a few in the club magazine, too, currently. I know a good few owners that have bought them and sold them on within a year - I wonder why! And with so few built in the first place, and the limited number originally sold in the UK, this keeps the prices artificially inflated against the much cheaper Japanese RV8 re-imports. And more to the point, what was the RV8, other than an elegant 60s design with some tacky plastic bits stuck on it in an attempt to play on some outdated belief that the B was actually good and desirable. Oh, I do love the irony of the Japanes RV8 sporting a Rover badge! :lol: :rolleyes:

Now whether my comments lead you to think I thought an MG Zed is more desirable than a B, well work it out for yourself! The RV8 is so contrary to Kimber's original vision that it is laughable. MG was about getting the most out of small 4 and 6 cylinder engines, and applying the Safety Fast ethos to basic cars. As you, like all the beardies forget, it was not about attempting some American Muscle Car the lazy way with a hefty great inefficient V8 under the bonnet. The MGs that fetch silly money way up into the £50 k or more are the rare small engined, supercharged cars and there are plenty of pre-War saloons that fetch way more than some tacky RV8 retro effort.

What the MG Zed range did was re-invigorate the MG brand and bring in a younger audience, some of which have also found their way into the MG classic scene. The Zed may not be desirable to the average beardy but enough younger blood will surely open the way to mass production.
 
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