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It is cheaper and more efficient for third-party fabricators (metalworking or plastic molding companies) to make panels, bodies, dashboards etc. in bulk and offer the same to multiple anonymous assembling companies, and likewise for these assembling companies to offer assembled bodyshells or complete cars to resellers (of which there are hordes) who sell these under their own brands. That is why the same cars turn up again and again with different names and badges. Most of the LSEV companies generally operate this way as they are financially unable to afford the R&D and design capabilities. The aforementioned fabricators too do not own design divisions (because they have invested their limited resources in the factory and stamping/molding machinery), so it is an easy way out for them to copy the design patterns of existing cars on the market. You might even see LSEVs with design features from many different cars coming together. Also, if you are copying a popular model, some parts may be interchangeable with the original model, so you have a ready supply of things like grilles, headlamps, tail-lamps, bumpers, windshields, mirrors etc. at the time of manufacturing and also when you require spares for replacement.

Of course, all the designs are not copies. Those who can afford to farm out design work to CAD/CAM-capable local design houses do so.

The bigger and more established EV makers however operate almost like the mainstream car companies in that they are now able to afford all kinds of facilities (manufacturing, R&D, and design), thus you can see LSEVs with modern and original designs being launched, although they too bring out copies sometimes (probably as a response to, or in order to create, market demand for aspirational products from low-budget consumers)
 

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Thanks, dmitra. And a question: The LSEV's mentioned in the thread can be bought in large batches and delivers it by ship to Argentina? Because the cousin of a friend wants to buy them for recreational use (for example, a person pays $2 for a travel from the Davis' Silos to La Florida beach)
 

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You can order LSEVs through Alibaba.com in fair quantities (use the search term "electric automobile adult" and Supplier Location: China), they have a good collection of Levdeos, Lansels and Lichis right now, but be aware of the transaction risks. For the purpose you have stated, you can look at the modern Mokes as well. Remember, large products once delivered cannot be returned. Also find out about customs rules in your country, the taxes to be paid, the kind of permits required to import and operate these kinds of vehicle in the public space (if there are any such permits), local laws of the municipio, the electricity charging infrastructure in the area, and above all, how to service the vehicles if anything goes wrong, and where to get spare parts since there would be no official distributor (although in EVs, fewer parts go wrong than in conventional vehicles)

In general, irrespective of the merits/demerits of the cars themselves, I would discourage importing new brands in the absence of an official distributor (also, they often shut themselves down if sales are not too strong).

Have you looked at Sero Electric from your own country? Here is a recent article. I admit they are not very pretty to look at :), neither do they have 4-seater versions.

You may talk to Bajaj Argentina to see if they can import the Qute for you (a non-electric export-only model).

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Also, for recreational purposes, you can consider these French vehicles:
Little 4
Bee Bee XS
Mehari-Loisirs E-Story (article, link)

You may have to contact the companies directly to negotiate, and these vehicles will be a bit more expensive, as would be the Citroen E-Mehari or Bollore Bluesummer.

(I mention these French vehicles as suggestions to forum members/visitors from Europe who may have similar ideas as our friend's friend here)
 

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FAW Lingyuan Auto (FAC); Lingdong A8

Here is an article on FAW Lingyuan (FAC), a truck-making subsidiary of FAW. Its history stretches back to 1959 with the establishment of Linghe automobile plant in Liaoning province. Currently the company has a CV production base in Lingyuan city.

FAW Lingyuan set up an EV division in 2015/16 (possibly through an acquisition) and the first phase of its new factory in Caofeidian Dt., Tangshan (Hebei) has just been completed. The linked article talks about its first car, Lingdong A8, which relies on a Zotye Z100 body (not unique in the LSEV industry). Another CNEVROVER-bodied car is shown but not named.

http://news.cnev.cn/Info_93610.html



Websites

LSEV: http://www.aonengxny.com
CV: http://www.yiqilingyuan.com
 

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For Erik,

Aerospace Linghe: a descendant of the original Linghe and sister of Lansel (!).

Apparently the old Linghe plant closed in 1995.

Here is some pretty convoluted and confusing history:
http://dy.163.com/wemedia/article/detail/C3DK3UAS0527AER0.html

A relevant excerpt (machine translated):
In 1999, the name of the enterprise changed to Lingyuan Hongling Automobile Enterprise Group in Liaoning Province. In 2001, the name of the enterprise was changed to Lingyuan Hongling Automobile Group Company of Liaoning Province. In 2007, approved by the National Development and Reform Commission, Liaoning Lingyuan Hongling Automobile Group re-established Liaoning Lingyuan Linghe Automobile Manufacturing Co., Ltd., Liaoning Province Lingyuan Hongling Automobile Group Corporation vehicle production qualification and announcement of products transferred to Liaoning Lingyuan Linghe Automobile manufacturing co., Ltd.

The current owners of FAW Lingyuan are FAW and Shanghai Feihe Industrial Group. Perhaps that is why the head office of FAW Lingyuan is in Shanghai.
http://www.feihegroup.com/about/?28.html
 

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A clarification

In summary, there are now two successor companies of the original Linghe auto factory.

The first one is Liaoning Lingyuan Linghe Automobile Manufacturing Co., Ltd. which is the direct successor of the Linghe company. This is affiliated to CASC and is referred to as "Aerospace Linghe". Its enterprise code is "LH" and brand is LINGHE. This too sells trucks and LSEVs.

The second one is FAW Lingyuan Automobile Manufacturing Co., Ltd. This was a result of a JV with FAW in 1993. This is now owned jointly by FAW and Feihe. Its enterprise code is "CAL" and brand is FAC.

According to the excerpt above, there was some reorganization within the Hongling group, as it was known for an interim period, but this is now immaterial.
 

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Approval for new electric vehicle projects has been suspended after the first 15. There is wide debate and speculation in the media about why this came about, but NDRC has not responded to questions from the press.

http://www.nbd.com.cn/articles/2017-06-18/1118219.html

(One may search the term "生产资质审批暂停的" for many more articles)

There are 3 main points of speculation on the above outcome:

1. NDRC is aiming to implement stricter conditions for prospective manufacturers, such as to include more tech regarding safety.

2. Additional capacity approved is 1.17 million/pa. The target in China for 2025 is 2 million EV sales, so considering new and existing capacity, no more enterprises are currently required. The media has counter-argued that this will kill innovation and reduce competition.

3. Many of the recent project approvals were hurried through (people were wondering how firms such as Suda or Greenwheel could have been included) and it is insinuated that many local city governments which were going to be benefited by the new projects (some even backed the firms) had some influence in the decision-making process. This "undue influence" needed to be avoided.

Many firms' projects that are going through the qualification process are now in limbo. There is no indication how soon they will get their licenses, or whether they have to modify their projects for re-application. NDRC has said it has not "stopped" the process, only "suspended" it.
 

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Zhongxin/Wanwei E7 pics

Mfr.: Shandong Hua Bao Li N.E.V. Co., Ltd. (formerly Weifang Zhongxin)
Brands: Zhongxin, Wanwei
Donor: Levdeo D70/D50

Launched in March 2016 (post)

Dimensions: 3460 x 1540 x 1580 mm
Wheelbase: 2260 mm
Motor: 3-5 kW
Speed: 55 km/h




 
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