New brand from SAIC: Shanghai
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I thought I saw news of this here, www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage6608.html
Is it a hybrid? I cant open that site fully yet.
Looks the same as the Roewe but with a SAIC/Shang Qi badge instead.
Is it a hybrid? I cant open that site fully yet.
Looks the same as the Roewe but with a SAIC/Shang Qi badge instead.
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http://www.acspy.com/UploadFiles/2007110125527488.jpg
So it is a hybrid!
Posted it up on CCT link here
Hope you dont mind me using your photos, I gave you credit
So it is a hybrid!
Posted it up on CCT link here
Hope you dont mind me using your photos, I gave you credit
I don't think that counts as a hybrid since it only uses one power source - hydrogen. A hybrid normally uses two, normally gasoline and battery. SAIC have a hybrid as well as this.chinacartimes said:I thought I saw news of this here, www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage6608.html
Is it a hybrid? I cant open that site fully yet.
Looks the same as the Roewe but with a SAIC/Shang Qi badge instead.
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You are right Windy. Unlike a hybrid this SAIC vehicle has a single power source, the fuel cell*.
Although it has no internal combustion engine, it nonetheless relies on a continuous supply of hydrogen. And that's where the stumbling block lies with regard to the environment. The easiest way to make hydrogen is by a method that unfortunatley requires the consumption of fossil fuel. So until alternate (affordable) methods, like solar can be developed to make it, it won't help us with our pollution problems.
In contrast, hybrids, like the mass produced Toyota and Honda cars, have dual power sources, a gasoline engine and electric motor/battery.
Webster defines hybrid - the offspring of two.......different species.
*fuel cell - not a battery, but more like a battery than like an engine
Although it has no internal combustion engine, it nonetheless relies on a continuous supply of hydrogen. And that's where the stumbling block lies with regard to the environment. The easiest way to make hydrogen is by a method that unfortunatley requires the consumption of fossil fuel. So until alternate (affordable) methods, like solar can be developed to make it, it won't help us with our pollution problems.
In contrast, hybrids, like the mass produced Toyota and Honda cars, have dual power sources, a gasoline engine and electric motor/battery.
Webster defines hybrid - the offspring of two.......different species.
*fuel cell - not a battery, but more like a battery than like an engine
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Note the logo! Finally they used something from their rich past! Here is the old Shanghai logo:
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Note the logo! Finally they used something from their rich past! Here is the old Shanghai logo:
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again the old Shanghai logo
Here a second try:
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Here a second try:
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yes my neighbour had one, I loved that!
yes my neighbour had one, I loved that!
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It's based on the Rover 75, of course, but it's not a Roewe. The main difference with this car is its engine, which employs hybrid technology. The engine has been developed by SAIC with help from some Austrians and VW. There should be more news about this car at the Shanghai Motor Show.
http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/200703/18998.html
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this brand is called "Shanghai"
"Shanghai" brand cars used to be a generations' proud however due to many reasons it went down and dispeared for more than a decade after SAIC took in the VW.
this new "Shanghai" is based on Roewe750 but its heart is hybrid power. it is still in the concept car stage not for mass production in the near future
"Shanghai" brand cars used to be a generations' proud however due to many reasons it went down and dispeared for more than a decade after SAIC took in the VW.
this new "Shanghai" is based on Roewe750 but its heart is hybrid power. it is still in the concept car stage not for mass production in the near future
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Yes, the Shanghai name harkens back to the SH760 model days of Shanghai Auto Works, before VW or the other laowai's even came on the scene.
It will take time for the Chinese consumer to cozy up to the hybrid idea. But SAIC should blaze a new trail and put it into production anyway. Even if it loses money, like Toyota did when it put Prius into production, it will gain a lot of recognition and respect in the long term.
I don't think any Chinese manufacturer can yet claim that fame of being the first to begin mass production of an alternate energy powered vehicle. That is aside from China's small players (lead acid batteries club).
Here's GM still trying to get one of their's off the ground (launched).
It will take time for the Chinese consumer to cozy up to the hybrid idea. But SAIC should blaze a new trail and put it into production anyway. Even if it loses money, like Toyota did when it put Prius into production, it will gain a lot of recognition and respect in the long term.
I don't think any Chinese manufacturer can yet claim that fame of being the first to begin mass production of an alternate energy powered vehicle. That is aside from China's small players (lead acid batteries club).
Here's GM still trying to get one of their's off the ground (launched).
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SAIC auto says it will manufacture 10,000 hybrid cars by 2010
Shanghai. November 19 (Gasgoo.com) ¨CShanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) plans to produce more than 10,000 hybrid vehicles by 2010, a company official said.
"SAIC aims to start volume production of hybrids by 2008 and that capacity will be increased to 10,000 units two years later,¡± said Wang Dazong, SAIC's new vice president.
AIC chairman Hu Maoyuan said earlier that SAIC had already produced two dozen EV and hybrid concept vehicles ready for the Olympics next year.
Last week, Shanghai Automobile displayed four new energy or alternative energy vehicle model on the 9th Bibendum new energy vehicle race in Shanghai. The models include a fuel battery-powered sedan and a hybrid sedan both brand-named ¡°Shanghai¡±, a fuel battery-powered Passat sedan and a hybrid bus. More than 80 models of new energy sedans, buses, trucks and bicycles joined the race.
Automobile production in China is growing so rapidly that it is set to replace the U.S. the world's largest market in the next ten year. However it also raises some environmental concern. Automakers are now pumping investments to develop hybrids to ease environment pressure and reduce oil consumption.
Chery has also just announced that more than fifty percent vehicles produced by Chery will be equipped with hybrid systems by 2010 and half of those vehicles will be powered by new energy.
source:ttp://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/11/19/071506.html
Shanghai. November 19 (Gasgoo.com) ¨CShanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) plans to produce more than 10,000 hybrid vehicles by 2010, a company official said.
"SAIC aims to start volume production of hybrids by 2008 and that capacity will be increased to 10,000 units two years later,¡± said Wang Dazong, SAIC's new vice president.
AIC chairman Hu Maoyuan said earlier that SAIC had already produced two dozen EV and hybrid concept vehicles ready for the Olympics next year.
Last week, Shanghai Automobile displayed four new energy or alternative energy vehicle model on the 9th Bibendum new energy vehicle race in Shanghai. The models include a fuel battery-powered sedan and a hybrid sedan both brand-named ¡°Shanghai¡±, a fuel battery-powered Passat sedan and a hybrid bus. More than 80 models of new energy sedans, buses, trucks and bicycles joined the race.
Automobile production in China is growing so rapidly that it is set to replace the U.S. the world's largest market in the next ten year. However it also raises some environmental concern. Automakers are now pumping investments to develop hybrids to ease environment pressure and reduce oil consumption.
Chery has also just announced that more than fifty percent vehicles produced by Chery will be equipped with hybrid systems by 2010 and half of those vehicles will be powered by new energy.
source:ttp://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/11/19/071506.html
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