[erik (laofan) cmvdc]

Kegare, I think this is 'your' vehicle, let's call it now the Taepaeksan 80. This picture too is a bit strange, probably a question of the lens (?). But in all details the car resembles the 24815 (the green 'unknown' truck from thread#96).

 

[kegare]

The unknown North Korean car has been identified: https://imcdb.org/vehicle_1216537-Paektusan.html

 

[dmitra]

Well done, @kegare, with the identification. From all other previous sources, we had learnt that "Paektusan" was one of the names applied to a Mercedes-Benz clone, but it now looks like the name had been used earlier too.

 

[kegare]

Thanks dmitra, hoping to find the Mercedes version someday. But in the meantime this car showed up in a movie and I can't understand the Korean font, can anyone read what the script on the fender says?

https://imcdb.org/vehicle_1216593.html

https://www.chinesecars.net/content/cross-country-vehicle-not-identified

 

[dmitra]

The movie is here, [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY3tVPIW04o"]movie[/ame] but can you pinpoint the time(s) when the car appears?

 

[kegare]

3:30 and 1:29:13

 

[dmitra]

I think the first half of the first character (the "initial") is definitely the stroke for "K" looking like the number 7, and the entire first character could be kaeng (갱) with the "ae" and "ng" parts squished together, the ellipse/ring for "ng" looking like a little blob and the two "horns" of "ae" just above that barely discernible (of course, there are other vowels that look like horns too). The next character is washed out, then there may be a gap since Hangul characters are not so flat as to blend with the horizontal underline, the last two blobs could be numbers like 8, 0, 6, or 9. This is the best I could do.

 

[Gag Halfrunt]

The badge presumably says Kaengsaeng, since the Kaengsaeng 85 is a variant of this mystery car.

 

[erik (laofan) cmvdc]

Well done, @kegare, with the identification. From all other previous sources, we had learnt that "Paektusan" was one of the names applied to a Mercedes-Benz clone, but it now looks like the name had been used earlier too.

I agree with you, DMitra.
A handmade prototype of a sedan had been displayed at Pyongyang’s Exhibition of the Achievements of Socialist Construction during my 1979 visit. A guide there had said the country hoped to go into mass production.
Under the loving care of the fatherly leader: North Korea and the Kim dynasty. Bradley K. Martin, New York 2004, 2006.
An there is another text we thought was for the W201-copy, but maybe is for this car: According to The Chosun Ilbo: “the car is a poor replica, with the doors not shutting properly due to unmatched window sections”
Great, these vehicles in the movies!

 

[erik (laofan) cmvdc]

(Like always) these new findings give new questions:
1. who made the Paektusan?
2. The Mercedes W201-copy, from which we know that there was a Pyongyang 4.10 (confirmed, written on the back) and a Kaengsang 88 (not confirmed), was also called Paektusan. Was that a mistake and was the name only used for the new car, which was made earlier?
Note that we have three logos for the W201-copy: a penta-star, a circle with flames (?) in the middle and a rombus.
3. Was there any number behind the name Paektusan, like Paektusan 79?
4. About the cross-country vehicle: This is clearly a version of the Kaengsaeng 85. Was this the Kaengsaeng 75, which we are missing? We are also missing the Kaengsaeng 64 and 66. (Numbers from North Korean sources).
5. About the Taepaeksan truck, we don't have a number either. We even know more Taepaksan trucks without a number. Are they all made by the Pyongsang factory?

 

[kegare]

(Like always) these new findings give new questions:
We are also missing the Kaengsaeng 64 and 66. (Numbers from North Korean sources).

This is great help. Actually I was missing two manufacturer names for two vehicles bearing (what it appears to be) 64 and 62 or 66 as model names. There are two vehicles from a documentary which are branded [two korean symbols] then two numbers that look like that. '갱생6x' is very plausible indeed from the looks of it.

This would be the 갱생64: https://imcdb.org/vehicle_1197474.html
This would be the 갱생66: https://imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=1197473

 

[dmitra]

(Like always) these new findings give new questions:
1. who made the Paektusan?
2. The Mercedes W201-copy, from which we know that there was a Pyongyang 4.10 (confirmed, written on the back) and a Kaengsang 88 (not confirmed), was also called Paektusan. Was that a mistake and was the name only used for the new car, which was made earlier?
Note that we have three logos for the W201-copy: a penta-star, a circle with flames (?) in the middle and a rombus.
3. Was there any number behind the name Paektusan, like Paektusan 79?
4. About the cross-country vehicle: This is clearly a version of the Kaengsaeng 85. Was this the Kaengsaeng 75, which we are missing? We are also missing the Kaengsaeng 64 and 66. (Numbers from North Korean sources).

2. Maybe "Paektusan" name was used more than once.
3. No. The frames from the movie seem to be pretty clear.
4. Wouldn't "Kaengsaeng 75" make it about 10 years older in origin than its sister car, the Kaengsaeng 85?

 

[erik (laofan) cmvdc]

Kegare, be careful: we are also missing the Pyongyang (평양) 66, 67, 69, 70.
DMitra: ad 2- yes of course, ad 4, also yes, . that is also for me a question.

 

[kegare]

@erik, the minibus and the truck above are meant to be products of the same factory that produce the Chollima buses/trolleys, would that text likely be Pyongyang (평양) then?

 

[erik (laofan) cmvdc]

Chollima trolleybuses are made by the Pyongyang Trolleybus Factory. I have no idea if they made these vehicles. In 1959 a Chollima truck (model ZIS) was made by the Pyongyang Auto Works. There ís nothing known of this company.

 

[kegare]

I don't know if it has been posted anywhere but here is a big selection of what they produced there.

 

[erik (laofan) cmvdc]

Great selection of nearly all the Chollima trolleybuses. I miss the Chollima 79. The bus in the middle is the Chollima 862. I am surprised the 82 and 84 are articulated, I have pictures of them in traffic and there they are both single buses. The 952 is articulate in our archives, here a single bus. The newest bus of August 2018 is not yet there, a pity as I would like to know the full name.
In 1964 there was also a Pyongyang 9.25 petrol-driven bus, made by this factory.

 

[Gag Halfrunt]

Chollima trolleybuses are made by the Pyongyang Trolleybus Factory. I have no idea if they made these vehicles. In 1959 a Chollima truck (model ZIS) was made by the Pyongyang Auto Works. There ís nothing known of this company.

Perhaps the Pyongyang Auto Works became the Pyongyang Trolleybus Factory.

 

[erik (laofan) cmvdc]

Hi Gag, the Pyongyang Trolleybus Factory was erected in 1953 as the Pyongyang Truck Repair Factory. First trolleybus was built 1961. It changed its name into Trolleybus Factory in 1969. Yes, the 1959 ZIS-copy could have been made here, but I am not sure.

 

[kegare]

1. Need some help with IDing these Pyeonghwa models at 1:56+ (SUV) and 2:06 (minibus - what is it, a facelifted Higer H5C? The pre-facelift Higer H5C was previously listed on a DPRK stamp as ' Changjeon/창전'.)

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUjp6lWXeGQ[/ame]

2. What is this, has Ragwon/락원 made the crane only or the crane carrier too?

https://imcdb.org/vehicle_1232856-Ragwon-16.html

3. Any info on this thing? It has a Pyeongwa badge and a Ssangma 쌍마 script:
https://imcdb.org/vehicle_1226462-Pyeonghwa-Ssangma.html