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Roewe working on super luxury sedan?

SAIC’s Roewe have been working hard to complete a super secret super luxury sedan before Shanghai’s April show.

Technically, SAIC already do produce a limo in the guise of the MG7 2.5 V6, which is 100mm longer than the standard MG7 1.8T. Although that particular model has not be a sales success for MG.

The powerplant in the Roewe limo to the left is currently unknown, but we’re guessing that the regular 2.5 V6 lump that Roewe currently own wont be powerful enough to move the gigantic car along the flat streets of Shanghai. Could the limo actually be Ssangyong Chairman based, or even use Chairman powerplants? I guess we will have to wait until more news comes available.

dan, indicating that it will be at least 12-15cm longer than the regular Roewe 750, which is actually based off the stretched Rover 75 that SAIC bought the rights to in 2005. The red and black Roewe logos appear to have been ditched in favor of champagne gold logos, but the tyres used on the car are from Hankook and and are usually used on sub 200k RMB cars. The pictures were taken in one of SAIC’s experimental body shops, although the stretched limo Roewe 750 is certainly interesting, what you can see in the background is also of interest.









Source: China Car Times
 

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It seems that SAIC and Ssangyong have worked together on this stretched limo for the Chinese market. SAIC have provided the brand, and the car, and Ssangyong have dropped in some of their larger engines, a 3.2l and a 2.8l engine have been offered up.

The Roewe limo first appeared on CCT last month, but information on the car has been slim on the ground, until now! As mentioned above, the engines are a 3.2 and a smaller 2.8l model, there are also rumors of a 5.0L engine making its way into the future 850. The transmission is a 7 speed semi auto, probably from Mercedes via the Mercedes-Ssangyong tie up.

Although CCT is not entirely sure, it seems that the Roewe 850 is a Chinese mainland production version of the Ssangyong W200 Chairman. The 850 is expected to launch at the Shanghai Auto show later this year.


A Roewe 850 test car carrying SAIC senior executives to a meeting in Nanjing; behind is a Roewe 750 Luxury edition.

sources: China Car Times and mguk.org
 

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According to the local newpapers in Korea, Roewe850 is the DKD (Disassembly Knock Down) version of Chairman. They mentioned the only difference would be the radiator grill.

Unlike CKD, which parts are exported to the oversea and assembled over there from the parts to the car, DKD means they disassemble the chairman into the big piece to make easier to assemble the car back again in China
 

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I wouldn't think so, ash. But then again, the Genesis does look a bit ungainly. And by the way, what's up with Chinese car manufacturers that make a luxury saloon (or sedan) and then stick tiny little two litre engines in it. In other markets, luxury cars do not have engines below the three litre mark.
 

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More pictures from China Car Times.

Further details on the Roewe 850 have emerged, including pictures which solidify the rumors that the 850 is essentially a reworked Ssangyong Chairman.

The front and rear end of the ‘Roewe 85′ have been ‘Roewe-ized’ to bring into the Roewe design fold. Ssangyong Chairmans are usually used as limos in China complete with a driver, and its expected that the 835 is set to appeal to the same market, except the domestically built Roewe R85 will cost a lot less than the Korean built and imported Chairman. The Chairman measures (LxWxH) 5150×1895×1490mm and the stretched version measures 5450×1895×1500mm.

CCT is currently unsure as to how many Chairmans are sold in China during the past year, but we can guess the number is in the low hundreds at best, if the Roewe R85 is to find itself a niche market as a basic limo it really cant be priced too high, nor too low. Our guess is that Roewe plan to target this limo at hotels and airports for VIP guests, which will put the limo directly in competition with the Geely TX4 and future TX5 taxi, which was also being pushed into the VIP customer arena.






And article at Auto.sina with many information about Ssangyong Chairman:
http://auto.sina.com.cn/news/2009-03-12/1543470065.shtml
 

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superidler said:
According to the local newpapers in Korea, Roewe850 is the DKD (Disassembly Knock Down) version of Chairman. They mentioned the only difference would be the radiator grill.

Unlike CKD, which parts are exported to the oversea and assembled over there from the parts to the car, DKD means they disassemble the chairman into the big piece to make easier to assemble the car back again in China
Sounds like Ssangyong is shipping the Chairman in what the industry calls an SKD, or Semi Knocked Down state, at a tariff advantage. Isn't that what Katay of Italy also does with the Tiggo?
 

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I suppose it is only possible to produce the car in China if SAIC can obtain the complete line from Ssanyong, when Ssanyong will be completely finished in Korea. I suppose that is the SAIC option and the reason why they keep continuing developing the model.
 

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thanks for the reply erik. since i havent followed Ssangyong lately, i assume when you say "completely finished" you mean it is going to be completely bankrupt?
 

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The Roewe limo first appeared on CCT last month, but information on the car has been slim on the ground, until now! As mentioned above, the engines are a 3.2 and a smaller 2.8l model, there are also rumors of a 5.0L engine making its way into the future 850. The transmission is a 7 speed semi auto, probably from Mercedes via the Mercedes-Ssangyong tie up.
 

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nzsaab, It was supposed to be the first vehicle released by Ssangyong into the New Zealand market but Mercedes, upon which much of the Chairman's technology and engineering comes from, decided it was not in the best interests of Ssangyong and decided that the hideous looking Musso would be released. Ssangyong at that time I think was either controlled or in a joint venture with Daimler at that time.
 

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KiwiGuy,

Thankyou.

Im really beginning to discover Chinese brands and some of the great cars that are produced. Recently I visited Houston Motors Nelson (Local Great Wall Dealer) to view the new utes. I WAS IMPRESSED! (However I was not impressed on safety ratings, but hey Im a sub nut so anything less than 5 star is concerning!)

I really do like this Roewe. I would kill to own a 750 in New Zealand (just think of the small talk it would create). It doesnt look like a badly made cheap Chinese car (thats what i like). It look high quality, and very english.

I WANT ONE! Are they availible in right hand drive at all?
 
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