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What do you guys think? I know China is definately one of the top nations economically and a one of the top military powers, but I think these reports that the pentagon come out with at random times are just to create a biased buzz against nations other than the US



http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/05/24/pentagon.china.ap/index.html

China rejects U.S. military claims

Pentagon report says Beijing rapidly expanding reach


Thursday, May 25, 2006 Posted: 0102 GMT (0902 HKT)


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China has deployed 400,000 ground-force personnel to the three military regions opposite Taiwan.​



BEIJING, China (AP) -- China has angrily rejected a U.S. Defense Department report that says Beijing is a potential military threat, insisting that its multibillion-dollar buildup is defensive.
Beijing is "strongly resentful of and firmly opposed to" the comments in an annual Pentagon report on Chinese military power, state media quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao as saying.
Liu complained that the report "severely violated the principles governing international relations" and interfered in China's internal affairs.
The report released Tuesday says China is rapidly extending its military reach with more long-range aircraft and weapons that will allow it to compete with the United States and potentially pose a threat to other countries.
"Several aspects of China's military development have surprised U.S. analysts, including the pace and scope of its strategic forces modernization," the report says. "China's military expansion is already such as to alter regional military balances."
"China is a peace-loving nation and has insisted on a way of peaceful development, with a national defense policy that is defensive in nature," news reports quoted Liu as saying.
Beijing has spent heavily in recent years on adding submarines, missiles, fighter planes and other high-tech weapons to its arsenal in order to extend the reach of the 2.3 million-member People's Liberation Army, the world's largest fighting force.
Its reported military budget rose more than 14 percent this year to 283.8 billion yuan ($35.3 billion) but outside estimates of China's true spending are up to three times that level.
This compares with the U.S. military budget which topped $400 billion for 2005.
One of Beijing's key short-term goals is to back up its threat to invade Taiwan, the self-ruled island that the communist mainland claims as part of its territory.
China has deployed 400,000 ground-force personnel to the three military regions opposite Taiwan, an increase of 25,000 from last year, according to the report.
 

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If you want peace you must prepare for war, every nation wants to be respected and recognized like the United States through rivaling the States both militarily and economically. Similarly, the United States does not want to be rivaled, they want to maintain there position as the global economic and military superpower. Just look at western history, the Roman empire, the Byzantium Empire, The Holy Roman Empire, The Spanish Empire, and the British Colonial Empire. Besides, the communist party's human rights violations, could classify them as "Terrorists", making them potential future targets following in Iran and North Korea, if this should happen happens.
On the issue of Taiwan and Hong Kong, China probably perceives them as the thriving West Germany, seen from the East. In the future, I hope there can be united china, with its borders expanding to its furthest borders in history, containing the land Mao never took from India and Vietnam, as well as the territory that Jiang Ze Min gave back to Vietnam, and the land seized by the Russians. In this same future, China no longer suffers from the cruelties inflicted by Stalin's doctrines, and the territories will voluntarily join, in order to be part of a glorious future.
 

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China have every right to develop its military; who da heck does the US think it is crying foul? The US military budget, at 430+ billion a year, is the total of all other nations in the world combined... hmm, maybe it's not China that is "overspending" on the military...

The US policy has the need to put everyone down and always need an enemy to justify its enormous military spending and stations all around the world. China is just the easy target.
 

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China has one fifth the worlds population (1.3billion) people to protect, making a larger milliary is totally acceptable.
 

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DOS said:
If you want peace you must prepare for war, every nation wants to be respected and recognized like the United States, rivaling it both militarily and economically. Besides, the communist party's human rights violations, could classify them as "Terrorists" making them potential future targets following in Iran and North Korea, if and only if it happens.
On the issue of Taiwan and probably Hong Kong as well, are probably perceived as the thriving West Germany, seen from the East. In the future, I hope there can be united china, with its borders expanding to the peak of the Manchu empire, as well as the land given away by Mao, in terms of India and Vietnam, as well as the territory that Jiang gave back to Vietnam, as well as the land seized by the Russians. In this same future, China no longer suffers from the cruelties inflicted by Stalin's doctrines, and the territories voluntarily join.
Absolutely agree.
 

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BringIt said:
China have every right to develop its military; who da heck does the US think it is crying foul? The US military budget, at 430+ billion a year, is the total of all other nations in the world combined... hmm, maybe it's not China that is "overspending" on the military...
You're using the wrong numbers, military spending is rated as a percentage of GDP, not gross figures. In country with a GDP of only 500 billion a year, 430 billion is a HUGE amount to spend on the military. In a country like the United States with a GDP of 1.3 trillion a year, 430 billion isn't an outrageous amount. What percentage of china's GDP is spent on the military? How about North Korea's? How about Russia's? How about Great Britain's? How about Pakistan's? How about South Korea's? How about Israel's? How about Saudi Arabia's? How about Egypt's? How about Germany's? How about Japan's? How about India's? If all those countries spend less of their GDP (in terms of percentage) on the military only then can you make the argument that we spend too much.

BringIt said:
The US policy has the need to put everyone down and always need an enemy to justify its enormous military spending and stations all around the world. China is just the easy target.
U.S. military policy is based on the tried and true military venacular of "worse case senario". In a situation where a nation and it's people's interests and lives are at stake, it's always better safe than sorry.

Of course, China has the legitimate right to beef up their military for whatever reason they like (being a soverign nation) and we have an equally legitimate right to dislike it. :D
 

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China's GDP is 8859 billion. If we triple the official defence budget to 100bln that's 1.1%

USA's is 12360 billion with a 400bln budget, so 3.2%

The dutch budget is 1.2% of GDP (taken from a dutch government website)

:rolleyes:
 

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Why does China need 3 million PLA troops in the first place anyway, other than for Taiwan invasion and Tibet occupation???

1 million is more than enough to defend China. Anything more is for purely offensive purposes.
 

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Why does the USA need a 400% higher budget than China?

Why doesn't the US government 'outsource' it's defense to China, I'm sure they can do the same for 1/3rd of the price :D
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Why does China need 3 million PLA troops in the first place anyway, other than for Taiwan invasion and Tibet occupation???

1 million is more than enough to defend China. Anything more is for purely offensive purposes.
There has never been a true communist government, but ion the Stalinist governments that existed in the Soviet Union and China right now, the only way they can maintain their power is with a strong military presence. The one thing that people respect the most is power, thats why nations have tried to obtain nuclear weapons.
 

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You're using the wrong numbers, military spending is rated as a percentage of GDP, not gross figures...
Nice try. Even by that measure, the US is still by far higher than China and all of the other nations of the world.

3 million PLA sounds a lot, but there are 1.4 billion folks to protect and assist in times of natural disaster. If you combine all of the "defense related" positions in the US, I'd bet it's easily over 1 million, and there are only 300 million folks to protect...
 

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BringIt said:
Nice try. Even by that measure, the US is still by far higher than China and all of the other nations of the world.

3 million PLA sounds a lot, but there are 1.4 billion folks to protect and assist in times of natural disaster. If you combine all of the "defense related" positions in the US, I'd bet it's easily over 1 million, and there are only 300 million folks to protect...
I remember soviet russia used to spend almost 70% GDP on the military. I'm not "trying" anything. If your serious about your point, put up the numbers to prove it. It's not a challenge, I'm curious. Its an interesting topic. :thumb:
 

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China's GDP is 8859 billion. If we triple the official defence budget to 100bln that's 1.1%

USA's is 12360 billion with a 400bln budget, so 3.2%

The dutch budget is 1.2% of GDP (taken from a dutch government website)

:rolleyes:
Interesting to know. What about other countries. Korea? Taiwan? India? Germany? the U.K.?
 

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There are sites that list the GDP for all countries.
If you want to find DEF budgets you'll have to search for it one by one.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Why does China need 3 million PLA troops in the first place anyway, other than for Taiwan invasion and Tibet occupation???

1 million is more than enough to defend China. Anything more is for purely offensive purposes.
well you see, china's ass was kicked 50-60 years ago and on one thought they could get back up. now that they got back up in order to not allow their ass to get kicked again they need some army. oh yea by the way they have a huge hunk of land and alot of people to protect.
 
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