fm.illuminatus said:I understand that democracy takes a long time, and much effort, and even so called "dumb" Americans have been forced to understand this, given the situation in Iraq. We expected we could make a democracy in a few years out of a culture that had never seen it and we were niave and wrong.
I have no interest in demonizing China, or it's people, and I understand that democracy is a long and hard road to travel. That being the case though, killing and imprisoning people because of their religious beliefs is NEVER excusable. In fact, it was one of the things we (the United States) never did (except in isolated insidents, if that), even when we had other flaws in our democracy (like slavery). This, of course, only looks poorly on the government of china, and is in no way a condemnation of chinese people in general.
First of all, it is no surprise that there is no democracy in Iraq, because IT WAS NOT OUR INTENTION TO PUT DEMOCRACY THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. The Bush administration invaded Iraq to do three things, expand US influence in the region and intimidate regional rivals such as Iran and Syria, take hold of Iraq oil resources and to protect Israel.
The US is just like any other country, it is not a philanthropist. It's policies are guided by its interest, not by any moral virtue. In the case of Iraq, US foreign policy was hijacked by a group of hawkish American nationalists and Israeli sympathizers called the neoconservatives which have led the US to the disaster in Iraq today.
And don't forget the people in Iraq are not idiots. They have seen Western imperialist powers invade them before under the name of "civilization" and "democracy". These are only code words for domination and exploitation. Iraq was a colony of Britain for nearly a half century, so it is well versed as to the pretentions of Western imperialism.
Also, it is funny that you would dismiss slavery so easily while championing the fact that the US always had "religious freedom". So I guess it is a greater character of democracy to believe in whatever religion you want to believe in than the fact that live human beings are being held as human cattle.