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This is incorrect.

I have seen in Europe the next cars on a European license: (so admitted and approved!!!)

Beijing BJ 212 in the Netherlands, Germany, France, Belgium, Great Britain

Landwind X9 in the Netherlands, Germany, France

Landwind CV 9 Fengshang in the Netherlands

Huachen (Brilliance) Zunchi (BS 6) in Germany

Great Wall Hover in Italy

Honda Fit in Belgium, Germany, Italy

This is only what I know, there is a lot more....
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
Nanjing's MG ZR, ZT and TF will all be Euro 4 compliant (possibly even Euro 5). The interior of the ZT is better than many cars on sale in the UK at present and it both the TF and ZT have class leading saftey equipment.
 

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erik (laofan) said:
This is incorrect.

I have seen in Europe the next cars on a European license: (so admitted and approved!!!)

Beijing BJ 212 in the Netherlands, Germany, France, Belgium, Great Britain

Landwind X9 in the Netherlands, Germany, France

Landwind CV 9 Fengshang in the Netherlands

Huachen (Brilliance) Zunchi (BS 6) in Germany

Great Wall Hover in Italy

Honda Fit in Belgium, Germany, Italy

This is only what I know, there is a lot more....

I only know the Landwind models of those listed above and as far as I know they have scored the lowest saftey ratings of any car currently on sale in Europe. That to me means they aren't there yet. The Zonghua isn't a bad first effort but it's too expensive for what it is.

Personally I'm expecting SAIC and Nanjing to lead the way, simply because they have ripped the pages out of the Kia handbook and have employed European designers and engineers.
 

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Cheers dudes - lots of info to go off there!

More info is welcome though!
 

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Which Chinese cars have reached European standards?
There is a big difference between passing the test and reaching the Euro standard.

Euro standard is something that gets a 4~5 star rating in crash test, is highly reliable, and fun to drive. No Chinese car can reach this level of European automobile standard for another decade.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
There is a big difference between passing the test and reaching the Euro standard.

Euro standard is something that gets a 4~5 star rating in crash test, is highly reliable, and fun to drive. No Chinese car can reach this level of European automobile standard for another decade.
The topic is about meeting safety and emission standards, not fun to drive and reliability, which by the way, are highly subjective and hardly part of the "European standard".

(To some, "fun to drive" is able to go forward, and "reliable" means the ablility to start, and go forward.)

Be ready to eat crow, it won't take another decade.
 

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The topic is about meeting safety and emission standards, not fun to drive and reliability, which by the way, are highly subjective and hardly part of the "European standard".

(To some, "fun to drive" is able to go forward, and "reliable" means the ablility to start, and go forward.)

Be ready to eat crow, it won't take another decade.
2 NCAP stars for the Brilliance BS6 is well below the European average. About 10 years ago Rover took a car called the Rover 100 out of production because it got about 2 NCAP stars. That was based on a design that was over 20 year old and it only survived so long because it was a top seller for a brand that was a household name.

Yes the Chinese car makers will get there in the end, but there best bet is to accelerate things buy buying established car makers like Ssangyong or MG. Think of this in another way. European, Japanese and US car makers will soon be rolling out hybrid cars that run on highly advanced fuel cells. Chinese car makers are entering the market at a time when the core technology behind the car is changing. So buying the competion is a very smart move!
 

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not wishing to get into a big argument with windy and mgrovernut, but I would not be so confident that the SAIC/NAC shortcuts put them in the position you see them. you may have personal involvement in their projects. I did have until recently when I returned, and I would say they had some catching up to do. they have yet to prove their abilities, it's a bit like the lad who turns up at the sports ground with all the best brand new gear - might be good, might be he's just hoping. won't know until kick off.


granted they have the MGR platforms, but I am also driving a UK built Rover 75 daily at the moment and I'm unimpressed with it.
 

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2 NCAP stars for the Brilliance BS6 is well below the European average. About 10 years ago Rover took a car called the Rover 100 out of production because it got about 2 NCAP stars. That was based on a design that was over 20 year old and it only survived so long because it was a top seller for a brand that was a household name.

Yes the Chinese car makers will get there in the end, but there best bet is to accelerate things buy buying established car makers like Ssangyong or MG. Think of this in another way. European, Japanese and US car makers will soon be rolling out hybrid cars that run on highly advanced fuel cells. Chinese car makers are entering the market at a time when the core technology behind the car is changing. So buying the competion is a very smart move!
The original question was whether the standard was met, not whether the standards were met with flying colors.

So YES, the standard is met, albeit with a lower than average score, but MET nonetheless.

Had the standards not been met, they would not be able to sell them, right?

Buying the competition is NOT a smart move. The only ones available has outdated technology, and the ones with advanced tech are not for sale.

Copy and steal is the smartest move. Redesign them so there's no resemblance to the originals. That's how they ALL do it peeps.
 

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The original question was whether the standard was met, not whether the standards were met with flying colors.

So YES, the standard is met, albeit with a lower than average score, but MET nonetheless.

Had the standards not been met, they would not be able to sell them, right?

Buying the competition is NOT a smart move. The only ones available has outdated technology, and the ones with advanced tech are not for sale.

Copy and steal is the smartest move. Redesign them so there's no resemblance to the originals. That's how they ALL do it peeps.
Aston Martin is for sale and they are booming. Allegedly Ford turned down a bid from Geeley though...
 

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not wishing to get into a big argument with windy and mgrovernut, but I would not be so confident that the SAIC/NAC shortcuts put them in the position you see them. you may have personal involvement in their projects. I did have until recently when I returned, and I would say they had some catching up to do. they have yet to prove their abilities, it's a bit like the lad who turns up at the sports ground with all the best brand new gear - might be good, might be he's just hoping. won't know until kick off.


granted they have the MGR platforms, but I am also driving a UK built Rover 75 daily at the moment and I'm unimpressed with it.
To be fair you are the exception to the rule in that people who bought them rated them extremely highly. I think your dislike may come from the fact that it's not your type of car? I love the 75, but I DETEST the boring, boring Mondeo and the Vectra. Not because they are bad but because they are bland. By the way have you ever driven the Rwd MG ZT260? If Nanjing make that model then it will be a very different car anyway....
 

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no European standard

According the idea, that European standard is 4 or 5 stars in EuroNCAP:

these are the cars (since 2000) with only 1 or 2 stars (and I won't talk about 3 stars, many European, Japanese and American cars have only 3 stars)

2006: Chevrolet Aveo (only 1 star!!!!!!!!!!!)
2005: Chevrolet Matiz
2003: KIA Carnival/Sedona
2000: Citroen Saxo
2000: Fiat Seicento (only 1 star!)
2000: Nissan Micra

Note 3 out of 6 are Korean made cars.

Three of my brothers drive a Chrysler Voyager (tested in 1999), this model had only 2 stars!! So, according this rule, no European standard for Chrysler!

For me, the criterium is: you pass a test or you fail. When you pass a test, and your car is admitted in Europe, than your car is according EU standards.
 

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I only know the Landwind models of those listed above and as far as I know they have scored the lowest saftey ratings of any car currently on sale in Europe. That to me means they aren't there yet. The Zonghua isn't a bad first effort but it's too expensive for what it is.

Personally I'm expecting SAIC and Nanjing to lead the way, simply because they have ripped the pages out of the Kia handbook and have employed European designers and engineers.
Aren't SAIC and Nanjing only assembling foreign international brands in China? How can they sell anything overseas ?
 

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erik (laofan) said:
This is incorrect.

I have seen in Europe the next cars on a European license: (so admitted and approved!!!)

Beijing BJ 212 in the Netherlands, Germany, France, Belgium, Great Britain

Landwind X9 in the Netherlands, Germany, France

Landwind CV 9 Fengshang in the Netherlands

Huachen (Brilliance) Zunchi (BS 6) in Germany

Great Wall Hover in Italy

Honda Fit in Belgium, Germany, Italy

This is only what I know, there is a lot more....

These vehicles already received Euro 4? I thought this is only expected to happen second half of 2007. Do these brands already have existing distributors in each country? This seems rather fast .... Do you have some pictures to support your claims ?
 

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I would like to see the C-Ncap ( Chinese crash tests ) for the same Brilliance , so We can compare the diffrenet results if they were different, I think that will tell us alot about the whole C-ncap thing .
 
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