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Yet another case of Chinese auto piracy

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hmm how about toyota copying chyrslers minivan?

i thought chyrsler was the one who invented the minivan, now everyone started making the minivan.
Well, everybody else making minivan is fine, replicating somebody else's design is not.

ok now who is the one who started making the first double story bus? wait no now theres alot of double story buses. ok, so now who was the one who decided to make a shuttle bus all rectangular? now everyone is making shuttle bus rectanguar. now that the germands decided to cut a corner off the bus, sooner or latter everyone is going to do this. its just that the chinese would the be first one to do it, and suffer all the pain of people saying that they are copying.
Too bad that arguement wouldn't hold in non-Chinese courts.
They should all learn from Nanjing who seem to be the most 'proper' company of the lot.
Nanjing too is an auto pirate; Rover 25, Rover 75, and K-series engine, cough cough.

Only three Chinese brand companies are playing by international standards.

SAIC : Aside from the Roewe brand(which is technically not illegal, because it does sound different and badge design is also significantly different from Rover's), SAIC is pretty clean on IP issues.

Geely : You can laugh at Geely all you want, but at least Geely designs are not straight replicas like its competitors; Geely does its own derivative work on old Daewoo chassises and pays for them.

Brilliance Zhonghua : While their designs resemble BMWs, the chassis and styling are their own and 100% legal. This is the role model that other Chinese companies should look up to.

Chinese must understand the difference between "Being Inspired By" and "A Straight Replica"; the former is legal by international law; the latter one is not.
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So Nanjing paid 53 millions for all those assets from MG-Rover still makes them a pirate?
Nanjing didn't pay for Rover25, 75, and K-series IP. The administrators could not sell what they didn't own.

How does that work?
When you build cars whose IP you don't own.

Nanjing can base their cars on the MG ZR, ZS and the ZT
ZS is out of question since this is really Honda Civic.

What Nanjing bought :

- MG Brand
- Longbridge machinery

Why SAIC isn't sueing.

- SAIC did threaten to sue, but Nanjing went to Chinese community party for a "mediation" and Chinese communist party's order silenced SAIC.
- But Nanjing is still an automotive pirate under the international practive; it is Chinese communist party that is preventing an all out lawsuit war.
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And besides, copying other cars has been a proven method for developing countries to catch up to developed ones. Japan did it, Korea did it.
No, they did not. Only Chinese pirates.

The only reasons why piracy thrives in China is because of weak legal enforcement and a lower level of development. It has nothing to do with morality.
There is no developed nation with a weak legal enforcement and moral corruption. Which will tell you that China won't become a developed nation.

Economically large, yes. But GDP/Capita will remain well below that of developed nations.
I said China is not a developed nation now, but it will be soon.
China as a country may have the money, but most of its citizens will still live in poverty.

China's legal system is improving.
The day Chery stops producing all of its replica cars under a court order is the day China's legal system becomes credible.

there is no developed country with no corruption.
I said moral corruption, not financial corruption.

China today is not a Communist system, it is a soft authoritarian system with a market economy.
Well then can Chinese citizens vote for parties other than the communist party?

Just like how Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan developed, China is under the same conditions.
Those countries observed basic human rights even under dictators(with the exception of Japan which didn't have a dictator after WW2) and had a multi-party political system. China doesn't.

Where was democracy when all these Asian countries were developing, huh?
They HAD a limited form of democracy from the beginning since their citizens could choose to vote for parties other than the ruling party and voice their criticism.

Theoretically, Communism is supposed to be the ultimate form of democracy.
Nobody calls China a democracy.

While one can also be a dictatorship and run an laissez faire capitalist system.
It is not a capitalist system. If it were, then foreign companies wouldn't need to set up joint ventures with state-owned Chinese firms to gain a market access.

The moron here obviously is not versed in the economic development history of other East Asian nations like Japan, S. Korea and Taiwan which all became developed under the combination of a authoritarian
Even Koumintang in its worst days looked far far more democratic than the communist party. And Jiminto was never an authoritarian government, merely a majority.

China is communist in name only. China is more capitalist than most capitalist countries. China has a million millionaires and people don't get paid the same amount of money regardless of what they do.
Then where are the other Chinese parties that voters could vote for, like The Free Tibet Party, Koumintang(At least these guys were democratic unlike the commies), The Falun Gong Party, all the other 55 minority parties who want to break away from China, etc?
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hmm this thread seemed to be good discussion relevent at start about chinese car industry but now become to name calling angry political differences discussion

lets get together and decide what to do of such posts...
1. should i delete whole thread
2. delete all non car posts
3. move to offtopic
4. let it stay

please suggest!
Option No. 4.
If you think politicians in the US, Japan or S. Korea are not morally corrupt, then you are even dumber than I first thought.
Not just politicians, but the population as whole.

Why do counterfeit goods, including automobiles, flourish in China? Because Chines people as whole do not feel guilty about ripping off other people's intellectual work.

how Japan, S. Korea and Taiwan was during their development.
Not the same level of totalitarianism as China is. All these countries had a multi-party political system and real elections, and even so-called dictators were forced to negotiate with the opposition.

There is no opposition in China, because being opposed to the communist party means death.

China today is no different from the other East Asian states during their period of development.
China is drastically different from all the other countries.

Yeah sure, that's why there were thousands of political prisoners in S. Korea and Taiwan.
You are confusing communists with political prisoners.

It is a mix between socialism and capitalism. China is FAR FAR more open today than S. Korea or Japan EVEN TODAY.
You lose your credibility right there.

55 minority groups want to break apart from China?

The last I have heard, there are only two seperatist movements, the Uighurs and the Tibetans
The moment the communist party collapses, China will be split into at least 9 separate nations.

- Tibetans go free.
- Ughurs go free.
- Taiwan declares the Republic of Taiwan.
- Manchus establish a Manchu state.
- Inner Mongolia reverts back to Monglia
- Southen Manchuria reverts back to Korea
- Ethnic Russians reverts back to Russia.
- Hans could split into two nations, the Mandarin speaking nation of North and the Cantonese speaking nation of South.

The only thing that holds China together is the brutal oppression of the communist party.

like I said before, China is an authoritarian state now, NOT a democracy. JUST LIKE how S. Korea was in the 60's to the 80's.
You need to study history outside of China.
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