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That answers the Zonda question. It's made from the chinese characters Zhong and Da. Zhong (literally middle or centre) is part of the word for China, and Da means big.

It would take a proper Chinese person to come up with the meaning but it would be something to do with being 'chinese' and 'big'.

The same Zhong as in Zhonghua.

So I think any connection to the Pagani Zonda is coincidental. ZhongDa is a fairly obvious choice for a chinese bus.

Correct me if I'm wrong - I know I'm making it up as I go along.
 

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^^ Honestly, I think you need to get a life. You actually wasted time doing that shit?

What do you think you can actually accomplish? NOTHING. And besides, copying other cars has been a proven method for developing countries to catch up to developed ones. Japan did it, Korea did it. When China's car industry gets more developed, it will move on. I think it already is starting to.
 

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That answers the Zonda question. It's made from the chinese characters Zhong and Da. Zhong (literally middle or centre) is part of the word for China, and Da means big.

It would take a proper Chinese person to come up with the meaning but it would be something to do with being 'chinese' and 'big'.

The same Zhong as in Zhonghua.

So I think any connection to the Pagani Zonda is coincidental. ZhongDa is a fairly obvious choice for a chinese bus.

Correct me if I'm wrong - I know I'm making it up as I go along.
you are all correct, other than the zhonghua part. zhong does mean middle, but when you put it with hua (two characters) it means chinese, or chinese people. nothing to do with middle.
 

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What do you think you can actually accomplish? NOTHING. And besides, copying other cars has been a proven method for developing countries to catch up to developed ones. Japan did it, Korea did it. When China's car industry gets more developed, it will move on. I think it already is starting to.[/QUOTE]

But Japan and Korea didn't do it. First of all, Japan already had an auto industry before they went to the US(the only copy I can think of is by Hino,
and they were licensed by Renault to do so). Korea started off with the pony,
licensed by, and designed in part by Mitsubishi (it was based on the colt).
Copying cars with license is fine, and is done in many developing countries.
The point is, stealing is wrong, but China thinks they can get away with it.
Do they just have no morals or decency(or law)?
p.s.-watch your mouth
 

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...but China thinks they can get away with it.
Do they just have no morals or decency(or law)? ...
You are asking the wrong questions.

EVERYONE so far has missed something huge, monumental, just plain "can't see the forest thru the trees" reason why there is this perceived problem of copying designs.

I know exactly why it happens. I would venture to say that most individuals who have done SERIOUS trade with China also, at some point, had the lightbulb go on in thier head as to why.

I won't say the answer - It sounds bad - but I will say, without reservation, that it has nothing to do with money, morals, decency, or sense of fairness. I will also go even further by stating (my opinion only) that the average person in China just doesn't get what the big problem is, no matter how much we express our concerns.

Know why they copy stuff yet? Here is another hint...

In the US, if a consumer needs a 350 cubic inch engine, they have exactly one brand they can buy - A GM/Chevy 350. Each manufacturer has thier own design. In China, I have the choice of maybe 4 designs for a good 6-cyl diesel, one being a R6105 model. Where do I go in China to to get that engine? Any one of maybe 500 companies that manufacture the exact same engine, using the exact same model number.

Korea / Japan have an enormously huge, forest-thru-the-trees difference with China. Guess what that is, and the light will go on over your head, too.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
...Chinese must understand the difference between "Being Inspired By" and "A Straight Replica"; the former is legal by international law; the latter one is not.
Excellent quote - worthy thought - exceptionally unrealistic.

The answer lies therein. As an American, I completely understand the above concept, and athough "must" is too strong of a word, I most certainly do understand, and grasp "the difference between "Being Inspired By" and "A Straight Replica""

Upon re-reading this thread, your answers are contained in your own discussion. The following question has much more meaning than it shows on the surface;

Why WOULD chinese automakers design thier own vehicles?
 

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Why WOULD chinese automakers design thier own vehicles?
well their so called COPIED cars are doing well in china , heck they are doing great in third world countries as well , I've asked zillions of people who bought a very popular chery model here , the Chery A11 / Windcloud ( Seat Toledo 94 I believe , chery claims it bought the blue prints outta some mexican factory , I dont know the case )

This was part of a Survey I was doing for a local car magazine , I asked the 13 people who bought the Chery A11 ( And has been with them for over 12 months now )

The following

Q1 .Did you know before you buy your car , that this particular model is a Replica/Legal Replica ( undecided ) of a Seat Toledo 94 ?

2 of the 14 Knew , 2 Never even saw the 1994 Toledo , and the rest do know the Toledo but they didn't note the difference until someone suggested .

after this question , 4 of them actually felt happy knowing their car is based on a STRONG ( quoted from them ) car as the Seat Toledo !

Q2 . What was the reason beyond this purchase of a new untested , unknown Brand ?

5 out of thirteen went for the Price / Features ( this is one of the very very few cars that has 2 airbags / abs with ebd systems installed - it costs arround $10,000 here ) .

the others stated that they thought the car MATERIALS especially the outer body stronger than most other Hyundais , Daewoos and Kias .

Q3 . Is this your first car ?

2 of 13 were first buyers , infact they were only 24 years old .
3 Owned A 1999 Daewoo Lanos ( Still being assembled here btw ) and they actualy hated it .

1 Owned a Subaru Impreza .
2 1996 Toyota Corollas
the rest had Fiats and Excels .
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Apparently people here are not very well educated about Car Markets and Car Brands , what sells for them is a good combination of features / value and warranty ( Chery sells here with a 3 years - 60,000 kM - just like Hyundai and toyota here ) .

So For third world countries , I don't see a reason why Chinese need original designs , but I must add that
the Latest cherys offering the Chery A5 , which is I think is their Original design along with their Original Engine .. is selling very very good here .

Branded as a new Speranza A516 with a 1.6 ACTECO Engine producing 117HP at 5,500 RPM ( Elantras and Corolas are also offered with a 1.6 engine )
with Front Airbags - ABS .- ebd - Some nice nifty features that are not even OPTIONAL in the Japanese and Korean brand and it sells for almost 50% less ( $11,500 ) - the cheapest Corolla here is for $17 - Elantra 1.6 $15 .


Please excuse my English / Grammar mistakes ,I hoped I helped deliver a picture from our side here .
 

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Piracy is bad for China and IP development. When piracy has become a culture and an accepted way of life, it gives rise to social decadence. And the foreigners of course don't give a hoot.
 

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renyeo said:
Piracy is bad for China and IP development...
No, it isn't. If it was bad for them, they would not do it.

renyeo said:
...When piracy has become a culture and an accepted way of life, it gives rise to social decadence...
SOOO close......so very close

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...And the foreigners of course don't give a hoot.
Foreigners in countries other than China? The countries that have the products pirated of course"give a hoot". Other countries getting the cars cheap probably could care less.

As for China giving a hoot? There is a world of difference between just not giving a damn, and simply not understanding why you should give a damn.
 

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........Please excuse my English / Grammar mistakes ,I hoped I helped deliver a picture from our side here .
You've shed a lot of light on the subject Cryptonx.....and not to worry, your English is just fine.

Ask an American about a Toledo and he'd think you were talking something about a town in Ohio.....it's all about price and value.
 

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Thanks Dragin

Apparently Mr. WUZHENG didn't notice the post :D

Anyways , I find it rather strange that SEAT & FIAT never went to the US ? I mean SEAT has some really good count-on cars , like the Toledo / Ibiza / Cordoba / Altea , and if I am not wrong , I Think they are built on VW chasis and Egnines .

Fiat on the other hand , may have been doing bad lately but still they are the best Hatchbacks / Small cars maker in History ( I own one :p ).
 

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The rebel without a clue

Do you know why 5% of the world's population own 70% of its wealth?

It's because 5% of people mind their own business and the rest mind the business of others.

I know that if I get crippled, lose my job and need $50 for medicine for my kid... Bill Ford isn't gonna give me a thing, my call won't even make it to Kerkorian, Wagoner would ask me if I think he's Santa... So, I don't care who copies who as far as I'm better off. BTW the US copied European car pioneers too.

And if Real_hate... whatever wants to make a point about copying, if he thinks it's unjust and unfair and too cruel... he should start looking at other industries like clothing, perfume and TV entertainment too and knock himself out!

In a free world, in a perfectly free economy, there's no IPR, no monopolies as such or of ideas, design etc.
 

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If that's true .. well if China puts its head to Genetic Clonning .... my friend , we will have dozens of BUSHes , Clintons and You apparently !

That would be a very Funny era to live in , altho sad ... but funny ... sad. . Whatever :p
 

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You are asking the wrong questions.

EVERYONE so far has missed something huge, monumental, just plain "can't see the forest thru the trees" reason why there is this perceived problem of copying designs.

I know exactly why it happens. I would venture to say that most individuals who have done SERIOUS trade with China also, at some point, had the lightbulb go on in thier head as to why.

I won't say the answer - It sounds bad - but I will say, without reservation, that it has nothing to do with money, morals, decency, or sense of fairness. I will also go even further by stating (my opinion only) that the average person in China just doesn't get what the big problem is, no matter how much we express our concerns.
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Korea / Japan have an enormously huge, forest-thru-the-trees difference with China. Guess what that is, and the light will go on over your head, too.
I think I see what you're saying, they just don't see it as wrong.
They need a product to sell, so they go get some car from Japan or
even China, take it apart, copy it and reproduce it cheaper than the original model. They see a car that people like or that people buy, and they say,
we need a car like that, let's copy it. And eventually, in their minds,
whoever is more competitive wins. Maybe it works for China, but in the West, and in more developed countries (i.e. Japan, Korea) people wouldn't
buy from a company that counterfeits another companies product because
its against their values, and their governments wouldn't let China sell cheap
counterfeited Cars to its citizens(unless the companies were authorized to
copy them). The Chinese just don't see it the same way, that's why they
make deals with African leaders about oil, reguardless of their
human rights or type of government. Its just business before values.
 

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Stupid hypocritical idiots. The only reasons why piracy thrives in China is because of weak legal enforcement and a lower level of development. It has nothing to do with morality.

The West is HARDLY a moral crusader. If you want to talk about China's business in Africa, at least China is not the one that has committed human rights abuses in Africa. The West CONTINUES to do business with human rights abusers in Africa, but it is pissed when China does business with the ones that the WEST does not like. For example, the US and Britain are pissed that China supports Mugabe. What is the difference between Mugabe and all of the rest of the corrupt dictators in Africa? Mugabe seized the lands of the White farmers who stole the best land from the Africans in the first place. Excuse me if I don't have any tears to shed for White imperialists who grow fat on stolen African land while the rest of Africa continues to suffer. The West is the historic oppressor and enslaver of Africa. No one can compare the amount of cruelty and inhumanity that has been committed upon Africa as the West has. When it comes to China and African relations, China doesn't force Africa to do anything. I think the West needs to just SHUT UP and recognize that they are the most hypocritical liars on the face of the earth.

Give your moral crusade a break, you hypocrites make me sick.

As China is getting more developed, Chinese companies will build up their own brands and move away from copying others. And it's already happening NOW. China is already heading towards the development levels of the West, so shut up already.
 

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And besides, copying other cars has been a proven method for developing countries to catch up to developed ones. Japan did it, Korea did it.
No, they did not. Only Chinese pirates.

The only reasons why piracy thrives in China is because of weak legal enforcement and a lower level of development. It has nothing to do with morality.
There is no developed nation with a weak legal enforcement and moral corruption. Which will tell you that China won't become a developed nation.

Economically large, yes. But GDP/Capita will remain well below that of developed nations.
 

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?man said:
. The Chinese just don't see it the same way, that's why they
make deals with African leaders about oil, reguardless of their
human rights or type of government. Its just business before values.
usa supports the worst human rights abuser in the world. usa supports and keeps in power the govt. of Saudi Arabia. In saudi arabia people who steal get their hand chopped off with a clever. anyone who say anything bad about saudi govt. gets their head chopped off with sword. US military is in saudi arabia to protect saudi govt, and make sure saudi arabia never have democracy only king rule saudi like monarchy.
 
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