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hazik said:
usa supports the worst human rights abuser in the world. usa supports and keeps in power the govt. of Saudi Arabia. In saudi arabia people who steal get their hand chopped off with a clever. anyone who say anything bad about saudi govt. gets their head chopped off with sword. US military is in saudi arabia to protect saudi govt, and make sure saudi arabia never have democracy only king rule saudi like monarchy.
Yeah, but we got the nukes, baby....

USA - Where everyone on the planet wants to live, and they hate us because they can't.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
No, they did not. Only Chinese pirates.

There is no developed nation with a weak legal enforcement and moral corruption. Which will tell you that China won't become a developed nation.

Economically large, yes. But GDP/Capita will remain well below that of developed nations.
Duh - Uh, everyone? Anyone ever hear the difference between a democracy and a communist state? No country becomes a "developed nation" under communism. They build what they are told, they sell it for what they are told. You cannot compete in a capatilistic manner when you simply don't comprehend what capatilism means.

They build copies because that is what they are told to build. They don't develop new, create, invent, etc., because they get paid the same regardless. What is the motivation? I build the same old thing, I get paid X yen. I work my brains out, create a better mouse trap, and I make exactly the same thing. There is no motivation.

Not China bashing. Love China. Women are beautiful. More culture than most other countries combined. But world power? Uh, no. Not as long as they have thier current government.

Should they become democratic / capatilistic? Then watch out, because they will set the world on fire.
 

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Real_I_Hate_China said:
No, they did not. Only Chinese pirates.


There is no developed nation with a weak legal enforcement and moral corruption. Which will tell you that China won't become a developed nation.

Economically large, yes. But GDP/Capita will remain well below that of developed nations.

Hey asshole, could you just shut the hell up you Korean dipshit?

I said China is not a developed nation now, but it will be soon. China's legal system is improving.

But don't your ignorant Korean ass tell me that there is no developed country with no corruption. There is massive corruption in Washington DC, don't tell me that all those lobby groups who bribe politicians for their own objectives are not corrupt. In fact, most politicians in this world are corrupt period.
 

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hazik said:
usa supports the worst human rights abuser in the world. usa supports and keeps in power the govt. of Saudi Arabia. In saudi arabia people who steal get their hand chopped off with a clever. anyone who say anything bad about saudi govt. gets their head chopped off with sword. US military is in saudi arabia to protect saudi govt, and make sure saudi arabia never have democracy only king rule saudi like monarchy.
How about the Palestinians? The US has given every kind of hypocritical support possible for Israel to terrorize and encage the Palestinians just like how the Nazis did to the Jews in the Warsaw ghettoes.

The US supports all kind of human rights abuses, just as long as the bad guys are on their side. Now with the occupation in Iraq going to hell, no one believes the propaganda machine coming from Washington anymore. Freedom and democracy my ass.

No country is a moral leader. Every country is for its own self interest. But the worst part is when a country is committing human rights abuses but STILL has the nerve to call itself a champion of freedom and condemns other countries. If the US is really a champion of democracy, it should start supporting the human rights of all peoples, including Palestinians.
 

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Duh - Uh, everyone? Anyone ever hear the difference between a democracy and a communist state? No country becomes a "developed nation" under communism. They build what they are told, they sell it for what they are told. You cannot compete in a capatilistic manner when you simply don't comprehend what capatilism means.

They build copies because that is what they are told to build. They don't develop new, create, invent, etc., because they get paid the same regardless. What is the motivation? I build the same old thing, I get paid X yen. I work my brains out, create a better mouse trap, and I make exactly the same thing. There is no motivation.

Not China bashing. Love China. Women are beautiful. More culture than most other countries combined. But world power? Uh, no. Not as long as they have thier current government.

Should they become democratic / capatilistic? Then watch out, because they will set the world on fire.

You are a fucking moron and you obviously do not know what you're talking about.

China today is not a Communist system, it is a soft authoritarian system with a market economy.

Just like how Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan developed, China is under the same conditions.

Where was democracy when all these Asian countries were developing, huh?

You are a complete ignoramous and you don't know shit about China or Asia for that matter.
 

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Yeah, but we got the nukes, baby....

USA - Where everyone on the planet wants to live, and they hate us because they can't.
No, people don't hate the US because it's rich. People hate the US because it is a hypocrite that calls itself a champion for human rights, while it violates human rights from Iraq to Palestine.

If the US stopped oppressing and violating other countries, people would love the US. You are a typical ignorant American moron.
 

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Duh - Uh, everyone? Anyone ever hear the difference between a democracy and a communist state? No country becomes a "developed nation" under communism. They build what they are told, they sell it for what they are told. You cannot compete in a capatilistic manner when you simply don't comprehend what capatilism means.

They build copies because that is what they are told to build. They don't develop new, create, invent, etc., because they get paid the same regardless. What is the motivation? I build the same old thing, I get paid X yen. I work my brains out, create a better mouse trap, and I make exactly the same thing. There is no motivation.

Not China bashing. Love China. Women are beautiful. More culture than most other countries combined. But world power? Uh, no. Not as long as they have thier current government.

Should they become democratic / capatilistic? Then watch out, because they will set the world on fire.

You obviously don't know sh!t. China is communist in name only. China is more capitalist than most capitalist countries. China has a million millionaires and people don't get paid the same amount of money regardless of what they do.
 

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^^ Like the typical Joe Blow football and beer American, I think the poster above confuses Communism with Dictatorship. It's not the same thing, idiot.

Theoretically, Communism is supposed to be the ultimate form of democracy. While one can also be a dictatorship and run an laissez faire capitalist system.

The moron here obviously is not versed in the economic development history of other East Asian nations like Japan, S. Korea and Taiwan which all became developed under the combination of a authoritarian but ambitious government, political stability and a market economy. All of these conditions are the same ones that are allowing China to thrive.

Dont waste your time with this guy, this type of person is the same kind of intellectual desert that voted for Bush and got the US into the hole its in in Iraq. And he probably doesn't even realize how much Bush's policies have hurt the comprehensive national strength of the US either.

Just let him have his football, beer and porn, that's all these white trash are good for.
 

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Just let him have his football, beer and porn, that's all these white trash are good for.
Football, beer, porn, and gobs of money to buy these Chinese cars you are talking about.

Come back to the real world, not the "USA Today" condensed version. Oh, and yeah, I did vote for Bush. Both of them. Hate what is going on in Iraq too, does that make me a hypocrite?

My mom always said, when she wasn't drinking beer & watching porn, that is, that once someone resorts to a name calling tirade, you've already won.

Pass the pretzels, please...
 

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No, people don't hate the US because it's rich. People hate the US because it is a hypocrite that calls itself a champion for human rights, while it violates human rights from Iraq to Palestine.

If the US stopped oppressing and violating other countries, people would love the US. You are a typical ignorant American moron.
Iraq & Palestine? And you are calling me a moron?

Name one, just one, country that the US has "oppressed" in the last 50 years. Don't say we directly oppress a palastinian stae - we don't - we keep Isreal from being "oppressed". Iraq? Please..... Sadam Hussain was a vile, brutal dictator we removed to help the Iraquis. Only reason we are still there is because all of the Iraq people now plan on killing each other & we are trying to keep that from happening. We got rid of the head dictator, now everyone wants to be the dictator. If it were up to me, I'd leave & let them all shoot each other, but we have higher standards than that here in the US of A.

Watch a beer & pass the porn please....
 

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I said China is not a developed nation now, but it will be soon.
China as a country may have the money, but most of its citizens will still live in poverty.

China's legal system is improving.
The day Chery stops producing all of its replica cars under a court order is the day China's legal system becomes credible.

there is no developed country with no corruption.
I said moral corruption, not financial corruption.

China today is not a Communist system, it is a soft authoritarian system with a market economy.
Well then can Chinese citizens vote for parties other than the communist party?

Just like how Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan developed, China is under the same conditions.
Those countries observed basic human rights even under dictators(with the exception of Japan which didn't have a dictator after WW2) and had a multi-party political system. China doesn't.

Where was democracy when all these Asian countries were developing, huh?
They HAD a limited form of democracy from the beginning since their citizens could choose to vote for parties other than the ruling party and voice their criticism.

Theoretically, Communism is supposed to be the ultimate form of democracy.
Nobody calls China a democracy.

While one can also be a dictatorship and run an laissez faire capitalist system.
It is not a capitalist system. If it were, then foreign companies wouldn't need to set up joint ventures with state-owned Chinese firms to gain a market access.

The moron here obviously is not versed in the economic development history of other East Asian nations like Japan, S. Korea and Taiwan which all became developed under the combination of a authoritarian
Even Koumintang in its worst days looked far far more democratic than the communist party. And Jiminto was never an authoritarian government, merely a majority.

China is communist in name only. China is more capitalist than most capitalist countries. China has a million millionaires and people don't get paid the same amount of money regardless of what they do.
Then where are the other Chinese parties that voters could vote for, like The Free Tibet Party, Koumintang(At least these guys were democratic unlike the commies), The Falun Gong Party, all the other 55 minority parties who want to break away from China, etc?
 

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Rock-N-Roll said:
Iraq & Palestine? And you are calling me a moron?

Name one, just one, country that the US has "oppressed" in the last 50 years. Don't say we directly oppress a palastinian stae - we don't - we keep Isreal from being "oppressed". Iraq? Please..... Sadam Hussain was a vile, brutal dictator we removed to help the Iraquis. Only reason we are still there is because all of the Iraq people now plan on killing each other & we are trying to keep that from happening. We got rid of the head dictator, now everyone wants to be the dictator. If it were up to me, I'd leave & let them all shoot each other, but we have higher standards than that here in the US of A.

Watch a beer & pass the porn please....

One country? Look at Iraq right now, if that's not oppression, then I don't know what is.

And that's funny that the only way to keep Israel from oppressing is to help them oppress others. You do not know shit about this situation airhead, I have actually been there.

The US has had a long history of overthrowing democratically elected leaders all over the third world, from Iran to Chile. But obviously you are ignorant of all of that.
 

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I said moral corruption, not financial corruption.
If you think politicians in the US, Japan or S. Korea are not morally corrupt, then you are even dumber than I first thought.


Well then can Chinese citizens vote for parties other than the communist party?
Hey dumbass, like I said before, China is an authoritarian state, just like how Japan, S. Korea and Taiwan was during their development.

Those countries observed basic human rights even under dictators(with the exception of Japan which didn't have a dictator after WW2) and had a multi-party political system. China doesn't.
China today is no different from the other East Asian states during their period of development. Actually, China is more open today than they were. And Japan was already developed by WW2, their development started in the Meiji era.

They HAD a limited form of democracy from the beginning since their citizens could choose to vote for parties other than the ruling party and voice their criticism.
Yeah sure, that's why there were thousands of political prisoners in S. Korea and Taiwan. Keep dreaming, asshole. I like how you make up stuff once you are confronted with facts, quite talented in that department.

It is not a capitalist system. If it were, then foreign companies wouldn't need to set up joint ventures with state-owned Chinese firms to gain a market access.
China is far more open than S. Korea and Japan were. And I said Market economy, China is not a full capitalist system. It is a mix between socialism and capitalism. China is FAR FAR more open today than S. Korea or Japan EVEN TODAY.

Then where are the other Chinese parties that voters could vote for, like The Free Tibet Party, Koumintang(At least these guys were democratic unlike the commies), The Falun Gong Party, all the other 55 minority parties who want to break away from China, etc?
Again, like everything you say, you spit out garbage.

55 minority groups want to break apart from China? The last I have heard, there are only two seperatist movements, the Uighurs and the Tibetans, and these are primarily only active outside China, which is why even these regions are quite politically stable. Most of the other minority groups are quite satisfied actually.

And lastly, like I said before, China is an authoritarian state now, NOT a democracy. JUST LIKE how S. Korea was in the 60's to the 80's.
 

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Iraq & Palestine? And you are calling me a moron?

Name one, just one, country that the US has "oppressed" in the last 50 years. Don't say we directly oppress a palastinian stae - we don't - we keep Isreal from being "oppressed". Iraq? Please..... Sadam Hussain was a vile, brutal dictator we removed to help the Iraquis. Only reason we are still there is because all of the Iraq people now plan on killing each other & we are trying to keep that from happening. We got rid of the head dictator, now everyone wants to be the dictator. If it were up to me, I'd leave & let them all shoot each other, but we have higher standards than that here in the US of A.

Watch a beer & pass the porn please....

You are a goddamn moron. Yeah, the US is the good guy, look at how Iraq is turning out.

Saddam may have been brutal, but at least he gave Iraq stability. Now there are MORE people dying everyday under the US occupation than under Saddam, and the whole country is in complete chaos.

You are obviously a brainwashed uneducated *******, no point arguing further with your ignorant ass.
 

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LOL , I am an Arab , I know exactly what the US is doing for Israel , its so obvious , even you idiot should understand .

ANYONE , ANYONE tries to condemn Israel , or File A Report / Complain / Decision !

Miss Hot Condoleezza Rice announces that they are not ALLIES or FRIENDS with the US .

Then the US uses VETO to STOP ANY TRY or THOUGHT of condemning any israeli crime wars !

Then comes a kid who blows himself up , BUSH stops any meeting saying " The Palestinians should stop the forces of evil , terror if they want to seek peace "

If Israel bombed a compelte village , killing dozens of ppl for no particular reason at all , BUSH " I understand that Israel has the right to defend itself " .

LOL , seriously If your president that you vote for UNDER DECMOCRACY is that Stupid , that Ignorant , that FUCKED UP , no wonder what the rest of your nation will be .

Good luck , each 1 second there's like 1000 more ppl ready to do 9/11 all over again .. and feel good about it .

Hate you say , lol , hate is just the begining .
Nuke who ever hates you , maybe that the new strategy :D
 

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LOL , I am an Arab , I know exactly what the US is doing for Israel , its so obvious , even you idiot should understand .

ANYONE , ANYONE tries to condemn Israel , or File A Report / Complain / Decision !

Miss Hot Condoleezza Rice announces that they are not ALLIES or FRIENDS with the US .

Then the US uses VETO to STOP ANY TRY or THOUGHT of condemning any israeli crime wars !

Then comes a kid who blows himself up , BUSH stops any meeting saying " The Palestinians should stop the forces of evil , terror if they want to seek peace "

If Israel bombed a compelte village , killing dozens of ppl for no particular reason at all , BUSH " I understand that Israel has the right to defend itself " .

LOL , seriously If your president that you vote for UNDER DECMOCRACY is that Stupid , that Ignorant , that FUCKED UP , no wonder what the rest of your nation will be .

Good luck , each 1 second there's like 1000 more ppl ready to do 9/11 all over again .. and feel good about it .

Hate you say , lol , hate is just the begining .
Nuke who ever hates you , maybe that the new strategy :D

Brother, trust me, ignorant fools like RockandRoll are unlimited in the US. They grow up with a brainwashed worldview, it consists of this:

1. USA is a good guy
2. Democracy vs. Communism
3. Israel is good, Palestinians are bad terrorists
4. Fuck the world, USA NO. 1!!

That's about as deep as their mind gets. They are completely ignorant about US foreign policy. Thats why someone as ignorant, incompetent and stupid as Bush can get elected twice. It is on the backs of people even more ignorant than him. These ignorant fools only care about three things in their lives, beer, football and sex. That's why people in the Middle East will continue to suffer, because the mass of the American population is very ignorant. I'm sorry about that.
 

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hmm this thread seemed to be good discussion relevent at start about chinese car industry but now become to name calling angry political differences discussion

lets get together and decide what to do of such posts...
1. should i delete whole thread
2. delete all non car posts
3. move to offtopic
4. let it stay

please suggest!
 

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hmm this thread seemed to be good discussion relevent at start about chinese car industry but now become to name calling angry political differences discussion

lets get together and decide what to do of such posts...
1. should i delete whole thread
2. delete all non car posts
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4. let it stay

please suggest!
Option No. 4.
 

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hmm this thread seemed to be good discussion relevent at start about chinese car industry but now become to name calling angry political differences discussion

lets get together and decide what to do of such posts...
1. should i delete whole thread
2. delete all non car posts
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please suggest!
#2

No disrespect intended, but one of the posters went clear off the deep end. Off the edge if you will.
 
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